MSU article on finding replacement Pres. and A.D. - Unofficial requirement: No U-M grads
January 28th, 2018 at 5:08 PM ^
They can't turn the Little Brother off, even in the midst of the biggest sexual assault scandal in the history of college athletics.
January 28th, 2018 at 7:53 PM ^
Why was their bball coach allowed to keep a rapist on his staff? Why did they shield one player after another from rape and assault charges? They were beating Michigan. They were winning.
I have some sympathy for what MSU has faced in UM's shadow, but consider: they were an utterly mediocre or worse institution just down the road from an immensely popular and prestigious one, about which the resentment. . . nutzo. After 2008 they faced crippling budget cuts.
MSU arguably built what national stature it had on the backs of Dantonio and Izzo.
There's a reason why those two guys were so close to Simon, and it isn't academics. There's a reason why Ferguson mentioned the new Breslin in his praise for her last week. This is what she worked on; this is what she allowed.
None of us think that the U of Alabama would be in many conversations about anything without football. And MSU, the #80 university in the country even now. . . football and basketball were MSU's bootstraps, and they were clearly willing to ignore a lot to be pulled up by them.
January 28th, 2018 at 7:55 PM ^
I mean yeah, I agree, that's all true. I'm not going to feel sorry for them. There are other academic institutions in the state that are considered to be lesser than both Michigan and Michigan State that manage to go about their business without the inferiority complex that occupies every Spartan. I'd much rather sit down and talk with a Chippewa or an Eagle than a Spartan. They do this to themselves, and if it's really that mindset that led to all of this, then everyone who has perpetuated the "anything to catch Michigan" attitude should feel the guilt from this horrible mess.
January 28th, 2018 at 8:57 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 9:32 PM ^
It created an inability to distinguish right from wrong. They are Cain to our Abel. And yes, I realize Cain was the big brother in that story. Still, it is an appropriate analogy for a sibling rivaly that destroyed the jealous brother.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:09 PM ^
The Dean of UM's Ross School is named Scott DeRue. He has a PhD from MSU. He was hired for this incredibly prestigious position because he was the best person for the job. "Best person for the job" should be all MSU is looking for in a president, for fucking fucking fucks sake...
January 28th, 2018 at 5:58 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 8:49 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 7:42 PM ^
No! It's a sneaky Sparty trick to undermine our business school from within!! First Dan "Liddle Penos" Enos now this!!!!
January 29th, 2018 at 10:40 AM ^
Actually, using only the letters in his name, you can make the words SOUR DETECT. And now that I know that, I clearly DETECT something SOUR in his presence as the dean of the Ross School....
January 28th, 2018 at 8:36 PM ^
This is how academic hiring works. Sports rivaliries aren't a thing on hiring committees' radars. Ever.
Case in point, one of my mentors is a Michigan grad. He taught at Ohio State for almost two decades. People want to work, and departments want the best person.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:13 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:13 PM ^
that is so dumb it is prolly illegal
January 28th, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^
All I could find in that article is that their short list of candidates have deep ties to the university. I don't see any exceptions listed other than that it will be someone who is not currently on staff.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:37 PM ^
The article itself doesn't say it, but the author tweeted out something to that effect.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:16 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:17 PM ^
The Crain's article does not say a word about UM.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:17 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:17 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:18 PM ^
Did you just make that up?
January 28th, 2018 at 5:18 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:19 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:46 PM ^
So I read it a third time. Then went back to this page to comment and saw many others did the same. I do not think we need to add any sensationalism to this story. If we ever get to the point where "You won't believe what _______ did next" level of posting starts to happen, I hope mods ready the ban hammer.
January 29th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^
This thread was jaw dropping.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:19 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:20 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 9:01 PM ^
Harlan Hatcher, 8th President of the University of Michigan (1951-1967) and namesake of the U-M graduate library had the following CV:
- BA, Ohio State University
- MA, Ohio State University
- PhD, Ohio State University
- Professor of American Literature, Ohio State University
- Dean of the College of Arts & Sciences, Ohio State University (1944-1948)
- Vice President, Ohio State University (1948-1951)
January 28th, 2018 at 5:21 PM ^
I nominate David Brandon for the position of Athletic Director. I think he would do a fabulous job for them.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:23 PM ^
Did do a fabulous job for them :(
January 28th, 2018 at 5:23 PM ^
Hey, OP, I'll leave this up for a bit if you promise to change a few things - like, everything - about how you've protrayed and summarized this article, because nowhere in this article does it mention what you're describing.
Let me know if you're willing to oblige. Kthx.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:31 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:24 PM ^
I can't believe I'm the first to notice this but...the article doesn't specifically say "no UM grads".
January 28th, 2018 at 5:27 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:32 PM ^
In the OP's defense, he probably got the "no U-M grads" from this tweet:
In political and media circles, there’s a lot of spitballing about who should be MSU’s interim or permanent president.
— Chad Livengood (@ChadLivengood) January 28, 2018
One major requirement: A master’s degree or higher (to appease faculty).
One other general rule: No U-M grads (to appease donors)https://t.co/GmLrpvskGy
It's probably not an explicit rule (would that be legal?) but an unofficial one.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:32 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:33 PM ^
in Crain's. He's not a random source.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:40 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:48 PM ^
He's not going to get an MSU source on the record for that. He may not even have one. Look at it as a rumor that he feels comfortable passing along, but not in a published article.
January 28th, 2018 at 6:26 PM ^
FFS
How about not having a culture that continuously re-victimized sexual abuse survivors?
Maybe that could appease these donors?
January 28th, 2018 at 9:30 PM ^
They have their priorities.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:26 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:28 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:47 PM ^
So not only no UM grads, but no albinos from slums either?
January 28th, 2018 at 9:25 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 5:33 PM ^
How could Dan Enos raise his fist in the locker room to "The Victors"?
Did we seriously think he'd betray his alma mater & spartan pride?
(he'd more likely be a spy against us).
spartan blood runs very deep right now..... their hatred of Michigan is their ultimate character trait. Nearly 50 years of Michigan dominating them in sports with the recent 10 year swing in their favor has them in a fever for continuing their win saga.
They will DO ANYTHING to defeat Michigan in every sense of the word.
Having someone with a Michigan background lead their university would have their fans, alumni, students and staff in a tizzy fit. Biggie Munn would roll over in his grave.
Geez, I saw 10 different 'dudes walking around at Kroger today' in the spartan gear, they ARE PROUD of the green/white due to their sports wins. They don't care about institutional rape, FERGODSAKES they're beating MICHIGAN, that's all that matters.... to them.
They want that seething hatred for Michigan to remain strong.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:35 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 7:28 PM ^
Do. Not. Want.
Give it to Eastern as a branch campus.
January 28th, 2018 at 5:42 PM ^
and it's not the no Michigan rule. That makes sense to me. If there are to be unpopular moves made in cleaning up MSU's mess, and I assume there will be, it's better not to have skepticism and resistance based on them coming from a U of M grad.
On the other hand, relying on someone with deep ties to MSU seems completely wrongheaded. It will certainly look like they are circling the wagons at the worst possible time.