Cavs and Beilein Discussing Parting Ways
I’m excited for the Howard era but have to wonder what would have been. Beilein must be kicking himself.
February 17th, 2020 at 12:36 AM ^
I want what’s best for him so long as it doesn’t impact us. I’ll wish him well wherever he goes and if he ends up playing us then I’ll root for our team.
February 17th, 2020 at 12:44 AM ^
I think if we had Beilein this season, it would be going about the same; maybe a tad better in the record department as I think our offense would have been better tailored to mask X and Teske’s deficiencies.
JB was facing a big problem come 2020-21 however. I don’t see him landing Todd, Hunter, or Christopher. His system players like Nunez and Castleton are not panning out.
We should be very thankful things turned out the way they did; because there was at least a 50% chance that they were not trending that way
February 17th, 2020 at 12:48 AM ^
Michigan would probably have a much better record and stronger team overall if they kept Beilein because that would mean keeping Yaklich too
But I guarantee our recruiting class would not be looking as nice as it is with Howard
February 17th, 2020 at 1:18 AM ^
Beilein would also have the one recruit who left although I think Howard has developed Davis to some extent.
I am happy with coach Howard because I like that UM is going to recruit higher level talent and the real important variable here is that coach Howard may not be as good with x's and o's but more importantly he is 25 years or so younger. It wasn't like Beilein left when he was 50 with 15 years left of coaching.
Beilein leaving this year would be like Belichick leaving this year for NE. His best years were already given to the organization.
February 17th, 2020 at 9:33 AM ^
That recruit (Jalen Wilson) is out for the year with an injury.
February 17th, 2020 at 1:14 AM ^
I think our offense would have been better tailored to mask X and Teske’s deficiencies.
Counterpoint: our offense really wasn't that great the last two years.
I think Juwan's offensive system has worked really well. Other than turnovers (which are slightly up, but only slightly) I see no real dropoff. Our main issue is that we just are streaky from the perimeter, especially in games when Livers isn't playing.
February 17th, 2020 at 9:39 AM ^
I think we would've been fine next year.
- DeJulius
- Brooks
- Wagner
- Livers
- Castleton
And then Jalen Wilson, Bajema, Johns, Davis off the bench. And if you believe certain rumors, we would've had Jabri Abdur-Rahim and Walker Kessler in this recruiting class to go with Zeb Jackson.
I think Beilein proved his ability to produce consistently good teams (other than the lull when LeVert was injured). Obviously with the potential recruiting class we have coming in under Howard, the potential of next year's team is through the roof, but let's not discount where Beilein had this program.
February 17th, 2020 at 1:08 AM ^
His departure was so bizarre. I guess Leaving at the last minute to coach a disaster NBA team worked out as well as you might expect.
February 17th, 2020 at 1:44 AM ^
I love John Beilein! Greatest coach in Michigan basketball history! But leaving Us for the cavaliers was a huge mistake....wish u luck in your future
February 17th, 2020 at 2:33 AM ^
Love JB to death but he isn’t getting Isaiah Todd, Josh Christopher, and potentially Greg Brown. Maybe he lands Dickinson?
February 17th, 2020 at 3:19 AM ^
Beilein is toast...you don't want this in the media unless it is already a done deal.
The players will only become more difficult to deal with once they get wind of the fact that you are out the door anyway.
February 17th, 2020 at 7:42 AM ^
"(Cleveland Cav Players) are soft." - Shaquille O'Neal
By several accounts the team is full of lazy primadonnas.
February 17th, 2020 at 2:47 PM ^
The Big Aristotle!
February 17th, 2020 at 5:38 AM ^
This makes me sad. I was rooting for him.
February 17th, 2020 at 1:36 PM ^
It was just such an odd job to take at that point in his life. A career college coach given the keys to rebuilding an NBA franchise, and it wasn't like Beilein was the type of college coach who was landing future NBA all stars to where he has established relationships with some of the NBA players like Coach K, Cal, or even Izzo have. I'm really not surprised it didn't or hasn't worked out, although I'm with you in hoping he was going to do well.
February 17th, 2020 at 6:12 AM ^
100% serious. We should see if he would come on board as an assistant. Offer like an “associate AD” position along with it.
February 17th, 2020 at 6:45 AM ^
I live in OKC, and have watched Billy Donovan struggle to coach the team until this year. What has changed is they've traded Westbrook who didn't seem to care what the coach was drawing up or wanted to do as a team. Now, OKC is playing better as a team and Westbrook seems to be a better team player as well. It doesn't sound like Beilein is going to get a similar chance to coach without a mal content prima donna on the team.
February 17th, 2020 at 1:39 PM ^
I've heard that Kevin Love is possibly the worst locker room guy Beilein could have had given Beilein having zero NBA experience, and the fact the Cavs are in a rebuild. I can absolutely see Thompson and Love just ignoring and not really having much respect for Beilein. If Beilein had a roster of all younger guys and wasn't having to deal with the day to day of some of the vets, he would have had a better chance. Of course, if he had better vets who were more open to being role models to the younger players, that would have helped too.
February 17th, 2020 at 6:49 AM ^
Glad the Pistons didn't hire Beilein. They wouldn't be the powerhouse that Tom Gores has allowed them to become now.
February 17th, 2020 at 7:09 AM ^
He could come back to college but he left UM because the recruiting and player attrition drove him crazy. That's not going away, so I'll be interested to see if he wants to try that again at some other program.
February 17th, 2020 at 7:26 AM ^
My guess is he becomes a TV analyst for college, like Dakich.
February 17th, 2020 at 7:48 AM ^
Beilein would be very, very good at that. If he went that route I could see him becoming a lead color guy on a lead crew.
February 17th, 2020 at 9:38 AM ^
I think he’d struggle. He’s not a very polished speaker and gets tongue-tied a lot. I can’t imagine him trying to fill two hours of a broadcast with commentary. It would probably be cringe-worthy.
February 17th, 2020 at 9:46 AM ^
Yeah, agreed, he's not a great speaker. He might react a bit like a thug* in the heat of the moment.
EDIT: *slug.
February 17th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^
Beilein as a color guy? Shirley, you can't be serious.
First off, there is no "color" in JB. None, he's a monotone former HS science teacher. Second; he has a stutter. How do you see those as qualities fitting the role of TV "color guy"? That's a serious question. Even as an analyst, his stutter would be real tough to work around.
February 17th, 2020 at 7:39 AM ^
He’s never been an assistant at an level, one might have heard. Might he replace Martelli?
(This was a joke, lest the neg bang commence.)
February 17th, 2020 at 8:19 AM ^
How about Syracuse? Beilein is a decade younger than Jim B and it would bring him back to New York State.
February 17th, 2020 at 8:49 AM ^
Coach B got paid....
I wouldn't be surprised if he just retired, or took a job coaching DII or DIII ball where he isn't competing with cheaters can have an assistant coach recruit and can just coach ball and have fun.
February 17th, 2020 at 9:12 AM ^
He'll have multiple offers and likely choose the best one.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if he isn't at a top 6 conference next year.
He's a youthful 67 years old and must still love the game. Guy signed up for 5 years at Cleveland he must still feel very passionate about the game
February 17th, 2020 at 9:29 AM ^
He should coach a woman’s team. They aren’t heading off to the pros as one and dones. A system style works extremely well in that game.
February 17th, 2020 at 9:56 AM ^
But yet is almost at win total they had at end of year last season
February 17th, 2020 at 9:57 AM ^
He would be an amazing assistant for Juwan.
February 17th, 2020 at 10:05 AM ^
Maybe he’ll finally be an assistant. Perhaps on his son’s staff.
February 17th, 2020 at 10:26 AM ^
Maybe he'll replace Martelli as Juwan's Boomer assistant.
February 17th, 2020 at 10:35 AM ^
Drummond must have pushed him over the line.
February 17th, 2020 at 10:42 AM ^
Not sure why anyone would be particularly concerned about him going to Indiana. Beilein never attracted the top recruits it would take for a quick rebuild. Obviously we were in even worse shape in 2007 than they are now but Green and Davis are seniors while Smith, Durham and Brunk are juniors. Jackson-Davis is the only young guy playing well but he's a post ill suited to Beilien's system. This is not a quick turnaround situation. Similarly, we didn't break .500 in the B1G until his 5th year here. There is no way Indiana has the patience for the slow build that Beilein would provide, especially given his age and concern that he wouldn't be around all that long before retiring.
That program also still has expectations that are out of whack with reality as they're still deluding itself that a history as a legitimate top 5 to 10 program still matters. No one under the age of 30 remembers Indiana basketball being really good. Crean had a couple of good teams but they flamed out in the tourney. They haven't made it past the sweet 16 since 2002 which is the year the current crop of HS seniors was born. Indiana isn't even close to the same class as Duke, KY, UNC, KS etc in the minds of recruits but their fans think otherwise.
Also, as Michigan fans we can dismiss the thug/slug controversy because we know Beilein's character. But the reality is that that is going to follow Beilein around and he will be negatively recruited against for the rest of his career. It will make it harder for him. He's probably not getting an elite job anyway at his age, but he could be a good candidate for Northwestern or Wake Forest or something. If he's willing to commit to a long long term, I could see Northwestern actually being a good fit.
February 17th, 2020 at 11:06 AM ^
If Texas were smart, they'd replace Shaka with Beilein and then let him hand over the reins to Yacklich in 5 years or so.
February 17th, 2020 at 11:10 AM ^
The apostrophe in 'No decisions have been reached' is deeply disappointing.
February 17th, 2020 at 11:10 AM ^
I'm going to see the Cavs play the Pelicans at the end of the month, come on Coach B you can hold on a few more weeks.
February 17th, 2020 at 11:23 AM ^
In some ways, this would be not unlike Nick Saban leaving LSU to coach in the NFL, find out (the hard way) that it isn't a good fit for his style or personality, and return to the college game. Beilein is way older than Saban was when he went to 'Bama, but that doesn't mean it's beyond the realm of possibility that JB could be headed to a D1 college program (such as a traditional power that has fallen on hard times) with enough time to make it relevant again.
February 17th, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^
Beilein should come back to Ann Arbor, retire, and get treated like a celebrity for the rest of his life. I see why he want to go to the NBA, but it was doomed from the start. The Cavs front office and players were not willing to buy into him and his philosophy and put Beilein into a position to fail. I think if Beilein was coaching a team like the Atlanta Hawks things would be different. He deserved better
February 17th, 2020 at 11:33 AM ^
Hope College reportedly is in talks with John Beilein to come coach starting next season . The reports are they want to repair their image after having two prominent d3 cheaters Glen Van Weiren and Matt Neil coach their teams for a combined 3 and a half decades
February 17th, 2020 at 11:46 AM ^
Everyone except Beilen and the Cavs knew this was the only outcome possible for this move. Michigan BB now has a better future than it did the day before JB left and JB is consoling his humiliation with piles of cash. While I feel a little sad for JB, he got what every one knew was coming - he even signed up for it. JB did a great job for Michigan but, in the end, it was all just business, not personal. That is the way I feel about him. Good employee but not gonna put up a statue or name a BB court for him. Now JH shows definite potential for a statue some day.
February 17th, 2020 at 11:56 AM ^
He's miserable at the NBA level and not very good at it? Wow, none of us saw this coming!
February 17th, 2020 at 12:44 PM ^
JB was clear when he left Michigan that he did not like the way the dirty coaches impacted the game, and he did not like the one-n-done or even the two-n-done mentality of the players. I have zero inside knowledge and do not know JB, but based on his disdain for the DI game when he left, I'd lay my chips on the square that had JB going to a smaller collegiate program - DII or DIII. I think the only way he would go back to DI would be an ivy league school. I also don't see Michigan offering to bring him back to the program in any capacity out of deference to JH. I also don't see him doing anything but HC unless his son asks him to be on his staff.
February 17th, 2020 at 1:00 PM ^
Yup, Hope College next fall for JB!
February 17th, 2020 at 1:13 PM ^
I was hoping for Hillsdale. Charge on!
February 17th, 2020 at 12:49 PM ^
Kind of feel for him, and I personally have no hard feelings towards him for leaving, especially considering Howard seems to have his team figuring things out and recruiting like gangbusters. The timing for his departure sure could've been better, but he wanted to try his hand at the highest level in the profession. Just to see what he could do, and I can't fault him for that. Maybe he has some semblance of regret given how things have played out, but I bet he's probably saying he would've still regretted it more had he never taken the chance.
That being said, the writing was somewhat on the wall for this to happen. Beilein had never spent a single ounce of his career coaching professionals. They're just a different breed than coaching 18-22 year old amateur athletes. Pretty much everyone except him and the Cavs saw this outcome happening. Maybe not this quickly, but in the end, this was what was going to happen, anyway. Had LeBron still been in Cleveland when this all went down, I can't imagine either of them having remotely gotten along.
Hope he takes his money and enjoys retirement. Would be really weird seeing him line up to coach another college team. Especially one that finds itself playing Michigan. The next time I see him on a college court, I hope, is maybe a year or two from now, where he's invited back to Crisler and honored for all the work he did. That might be a five to ten minute standing ovation.
February 17th, 2020 at 12:53 PM ^
I could easily see JB taking a position with the NCAA if he feels that he is done coaching but still wants to be around basketball. He could help guide basketball through the inevitable changes that are coming in a way that would be good for players and the schools.