|08/15/2018 - 11:02am||Few things are worse for a…||
Few things are worse for a program than fanbase apathy. People aren't mad anymore. They just stop caring. That's what happened to me after the 2014 game against Rutgers. Just decided it was a lost season and not worth getting upset over.
Didn't watch more than 3-4 minutes of the MSU game, and while I did watch the OSU game, there was never a doubt in my mind about how it would end. I was even sitting around some very rational OSU fans who told me they were surprised Michigan was playing as well as it was, but Michigan could've gone up 28-0 at halftime and I still would've been convinced they'd find a way to lose.
The only real emotion I felt that year was for Gardner. Felt awful for him. Took a beating week after week, got benched, sent back into the lineup again, and proceeded to take more beatings from opposing teams and from the media. That's a man who deserved better from his coaches. If only he could've been around when Harbaugh got here.
|08/15/2018 - 8:52am||As far as a specific moment,…||
As far as a specific moment, it was during and after the '09 OSU game. I swear that crowd was, at best, 50-50 between Michigan and OSU fans. Maybe even slightly in OSU's favor. You heard the O-H-I-O chant far more consistently and far louder than any chant Michigan fans tried uttering. As close as the score was that day, the game seemed to never really be in doubt. Tate turned the ball over, what, three times within OSU's red zone? Just seemed like OSU was toying with Michigan the whole day.
I was relatively young into my Michigan fanhood at that point, but that game was when I realized for myself that this team just can't ever seem to stop getting in its own way against OSU, and almost appears to be cursed. Save for a couple of years ('08, '10, '15), Michigan loses this game not because OSU is better, but because Michigan becomes its own worst enemy. Turnovers, piss-poor play-calling, penalties at the worst possible times. You name it, Michigan finds a way to lose to OSU because of it.
Anywho, the worst part of that '09 OSU game for me was walking back to our house, going past the Union, and seeing several drunken OSU sorostitutes jumping up on top of the Union sign and throwing up the O-H-I-O hand signs for several pictures. They made sure every Michigan fan passing by knew what they were doing, and absolutely no one said anything or tried to stop it. OSU just had us beat, both on the football field and psychologically. Their team and their fans expect that no matter what happens, even if they go down 28-0 at the half, they will come back and win that game. They don't just think they can do it. They KNOW they will do it. And many Michigan fans expect that no matter what happens, until proven otherwise, we will find a way to lose that game.
|08/15/2018 - 8:32am||Man I'd hate to see you when…||
Man I'd hate to see you when something worse than 2017 happens to this football team. Like, say, almost every year between 2008-2014.
|08/15/2018 - 8:11am||Awfully dramatic music for a…||
Awfully dramatic music for a pretty routine pass. But it’s football and this has been a long offseason so I’ll take it.
|08/14/2018 - 9:49pm||Nah they’ll all come back…||
Nah they’ll all come back for a second title ring after going 15-0 this season.
|08/14/2018 - 8:11pm||I don’t care if Harbaugh…||
I don’t care if Harbaugh runs the frickin wishbone so long as it works.
|08/14/2018 - 4:24pm||I still can't believe how we…||
I still can't believe how we managed to upgrade, and severely so, after losing Durkin. Harbaugh made a brilliant hire in going after Brown. Did what he was supposed to do:
Go get the best there is, hire them, and then when they're here, just get out of the way.
|08/14/2018 - 2:18pm||OSU will then proceed to…||
OSU will then proceed to announce at 2:30 that Meyer will be retained.
|08/14/2018 - 12:06pm||Skynet, bro. This is how it…||
Skynet, bro. This is how it starts. The machines slowly start infiltrating their way into our football teams. Next thing you know they're dropping nukes all over the planet.
|08/14/2018 - 11:54am||Couldn't agree more. This…||
Couldn't agree more. This whole two week deal was for them to get the media circus to fizzle out, and then just wait for the next big story to take over the media's attention. With the fiasco going on at Maryland (which is justifiably a more serious situation), Meyer and OSU are officially old news.
There's no way Durkin survives this with his job intact. OSU will wait for him to get fired and then release their statement around the same time saying Meyer will not be fired/suspended. Dump it in with Durkin getting fired, divide the media's attention, and then just ride out the tirades from Paul Finebaum, Mark May and Stephen A Smith for the next 2 weeks until football comes back and everyone stops caring.
OSU will luck out yet again. They always catch a break at the perfect time so why should that stop now?
|08/14/2018 - 11:34am||I said the exact same thing…||
I said the exact same thing on a different thread yesterday. If this had happened to Cooper, there wouldn't have even been administrative leave. OSU would've fired him within days of the story breaking out. But it's Urban Meyer. He's won a national title at OSU and he's never lost to Michigan. OSU is taking this long to try and figure out how they're going to angle their story to justify Meyer coming back, and/or negotiate Gene Smith's resignation (he'll be the sacrificial lamb in all of this, if there is one). OSU is NOT going to get rid of its golden goose, and I don't think they will really care about how their decision is perceived.
This is a school that basically gave the NCAA a huge, public "fuck you" by inviting Tressel back to the 2012 Michigan game, giving him a huge standing ovation and having former players carry him off the field only a year after he was slapped with a show-cause penalty. When you're winning, as long as you're not pissing off your own alums in the process you really don't have to care what anyone else thinks.
|08/14/2018 - 8:47am||No coach is bigger than the…||
No coach is bigger than the university?
Tell that to Nick Saban. He’s not just bigger than Alabama. He IS Alabama. And whether or not they admit to it publicly, the AD and BoT at that school all probably believe it too.
Granted, they don’t have academic prestige to uphold like Michigan and OSU do (say what you will about an OSU degree, but it has improved leaps and bounds over the last few decades), but most any Alabama fan will tell you that football is what makes that school go. And arguably the only thing.
|08/13/2018 - 10:13pm||No idea how this is going to…||
No idea how this is going to go. If Shea and the offense are on the same page from Day 1, I could see it being a comfortable win. But that’s a tall order. The more likely scenario is that the offense still needs time to gel together and we have a final score of something like 17-14 that could go either way.
All comes down to who makes the least amount of mistakes, or who makes the critical 4th quarter fumble in their own territory. I wouldn’t gameplan around asking Shea to be a hero for this game. This is still going to be his first start in this offense and it’s on the road against a very good defense. Take what ND’s defense gives you, don’t turn the ball over, and trust that your defense has got your back and should limit ND’s ability to move the ball.
|08/13/2018 - 5:00pm||I don't know if that hurts…||
I don't know if that hurts Meyer's case to return, but certainly doesn't help it.
I don't really get why Urban kept him on staff. Even with the "elite recruiter" angle. Meyer is the reason kids commit to that program. He could've replaced Zach Smith with anyone else and still would've gotten some of the best talent out there. Meyer is his own best recruiting weapon, but his own loyalty to his mentor may be his undoing.
|08/13/2018 - 4:41pm||Get well soon. Hope to see…||
Get well soon. Hope to see him back on the field right around week 2.
|08/13/2018 - 4:40pm||Honestly, if it ever got to…||
Honestly, if it ever got to that point where the punishment was vacating games, go right ahead. That is such a hollow, worthless punishment. Doesn't change the fact that those games happened.
Like OSU's 2010 season. Tressel-gate doesn't erase their Sugar Bowl win or whipping our ass 37-7. That shit still happened.
|08/13/2018 - 1:44pm||While I guess we really won…||
While I guess we really won't know for certain until the investigation results come out, I can definitively say that if a player wearing #52 was the one and only one on the team who sold his shoes, one possibility makes a lot more sense than the other.
A four year starter who currently projects to start on an NFL team and never had an ounce of bad off-field press uttered about him? Or a recent transfer who didn't go quietly on his way out, left for some undisclosed reasons, and had some choice words for his former coach?
Even if it was Cole, he's in the league so the NCAA can't touch him.
|08/13/2018 - 12:15pm||It's already died down with…||
It's already died down with the Maryland situation (which is justified, given that involves the death of a student-athlete). Urban Meyer and OSU are already old news.
If he does come back, and come back immediately, Meyer will face some intense questioning from the media about what else he could've/should've done, will undoubtedly be the subject of some hilarious college gameday signs, and will probably receive some snarky comments from Paul Finebaum and Mark May. But within a month or two, everyone will stop caring. You can bet that before this year's rendition of The Game, ESPN will do a 5-10 minute segment about how much adversity the OSU football team fought through before the season, how the entire fanbase and the entire state rallied behind it's embattled coach, claiming that the media is out to get him. And you'll then watch them rejoice when he was acquitted of such egregious accusations and allowed back on the sideline for week 1.
Just a reminder of how much leeway you're afforded in this world when you win. If this had happened to John Cooper, he would've already been fired.
|08/13/2018 - 10:04am||Not to rag on the kid, but…||
Not to rag on the kid, but wasn’t he injured almost his entire career at UM?
That’s sure not Harbaugh’s fault.
|08/13/2018 - 8:31am||I see the points you're…||
I see the points you're trying to make, and you do have some valid points. But come on, man. There is a HUGE difference between 1 million and 38 million.
Unless McMurphy has some new dirt on Meyer that is yet to be released, I don't think there is enough evidence out there right now to suggest that Meyer can be fired for cause. Which means OSU is on the hook for 38 million if they fire him. I don't care what your annual revenue stream is. That is a big blow to your budget and what your athletic department is going to be able to accomplish, or pay for, every year until the amount is paid.
Not to mention whatever legal fees ensue from whenever Meyer would decide to take the matter to court and sue the school for wrongful termination. So that's the big question OSU is going to have to ask itself should it get to the end of the investigation and find nothing suggesting Meyer can be fired for cause. Are they willing to deal with the PR fallout and not hamstring their athletic department, financially, for the next several years? Or do they bite the bullet and set the example?
|08/12/2018 - 7:45pm||I doubt it, considering the…||
I doubt it, considering the NCAA instituted a rule last year that makes any kind of outbursts like those a personal foul and automatic 15 yard penalty.
i think the refs even slapped Meyer with one during the OSU game last year.
|08/12/2018 - 10:53am||Hopefully that’s after…||
Hopefully that’s after several multi-million dollar NFL contracts and endorsement deals.
|08/12/2018 - 10:46am||According to Lou Holtz,…||
According to Lou Holtz, Notre Dame would put up 40+ on the ‘85 Bears defense and shut out the ‘07 Pats offense.
|08/12/2018 - 10:41am||Interesting facts you’re…||
Interesting facts you’re throwing at us. Here’s another fact:
You remember the last time Michigan won a true road game against a ranked opponent? Lloyd Carr was still our coach....it’s been over 10 years, pal.
There are reasons we can win this game. There are also a shit ton of reasons for why we can lose it too.
|08/12/2018 - 9:47am||He had a full roster. He had…||
He had a full roster. He had it stacked with plenty of top recruits by his third and fourth year. And they lost to Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota. They barely beat UConn and Akron, and couldn’t run the ball against anyone despite recruiting a bunch of highly rated linemen. They couldn’t pass rush against anyone, and guys like Gary Nova threw for 400 yards against them.
Hoke had plenty of chances to prove himself with a full roster. He failed spectacularly. Could recruit talent, but couldn’t develop it to save his own life.
|08/12/2018 - 8:46am||At the time of Brandon’s…||
At the time of Brandon’s hire, it seemed pretty solid. Had great credentials, and I will say that he did so some great things. He really helped the non-revenue sports with getting better facilities, brought in a lot of money, and so on. But the damage he did far outweighed any good he may have done. He alienated a sizable portion of the fanbase, surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men in the Athletic Department, and tried to completely sterilize the football game day experience into a lifeless, corporate getaway. Threw his own football coach under the bus during the Morris situation and was not out there taking fire from the press with Hoke like he should’ve been doing. Released a midnight statement like a coward instead. If he was still here, Harbaugh never would’ve considered coming. Sometimes I think Brandon hired Hoke because he wanted someone he could easily control.
As for Hoke, I don’t dislike the man. Seems like a great guy, and I bet he’s the kind of person who’d be a lot of fun to sit down with at the bar, have a few beers with and swap some stories. Seems like the really fun Uncle that everyone in the family loves. His love for the school was undeniable and I know he only ever wanted to do the right thing. But the job was just too big for him, and he never should’ve been hired in the first place. Wasn’t his fault for taking it. You’re offered your dream job, you take it. But by the middle of the ‘13 season you could tell he was in over his head. One of the few pros I will always say for him, as a coach, is that his teams ALWAYS showed up against OSU. They were capable of winning games against Meyer that they had no business being within 3-4 TDs of.
|08/11/2018 - 10:38pm||Well even if Kirby is as…||
Well even if Kirby is as sleazy as Freeze was, I’ll give him credit for being a good enough coach to get Georgia within inches of a national title.
Freeze was never good enough to win his own division, much less win it all.
|08/11/2018 - 7:01pm||Football signed by Howard…||
Football signed by Howard and Woodson
|08/11/2018 - 6:54pm||LOL to any OSU fan who…||
LOL to any OSU fan who thinks they can claim the moral high ground over most any school right now.
|08/11/2018 - 6:52pm||Durkin won’t last another…||
Durkin won’t last another week.
|08/11/2018 - 4:52pm||Is that you, Gofor2?||
Is that you, Gofor2?
|08/11/2018 - 1:45pm||Here’s my question: why wait…||
Here’s my question: why wait? Is it simply to keep everyone in suspense?
I suppose the fact that I’m asking this question is part of why I’m not a journalist.
|08/11/2018 - 8:51am||That’s what the situations…||
That’s what the situations at PSU, OSU, and MSU should teach us all. Serious scandal can happen anywhere, including Michigan. We’d be damn fools to think otherwise.
|08/11/2018 - 7:37am||This was another reason why…||
This was another reason why OSU is waiting two weeks to make any decisions on Meyer.
For the next controversy du jour to take over the headlines and get the media circus out of Columbus. I’m not trying to belittle the situation as a young man is dead because of this. But this wasn’t just because the committee needed the time.
|08/11/2018 - 12:05am||Even if he didn’t have a…||
Even if he didn’t have a direct hand in it, it doesn’t matter. Durkin hired these guys, or at least kept them on staff. So he is responsible for them. This wasn’t some one-off situation where Durkin was out of town, laid down the law with his staff about what was acceptable, and an assistant trainer decided he was going to push the envelope anyway. This is a systemic culture problem which, at best, Durkin ignores and looks the other way on. Or at worst, he encourages it.
A young man is dead. That’s as bad as it gets. He deserves to be fired. At the bare minimum.
|08/10/2018 - 11:56pm||Destroyer of worlds…||
Destroyer of worlds. Harvester of souls. Absorber of essence.
Opposing QBs shall know his wrath this Fall.
|08/10/2018 - 10:29pm||Welp....if it involves any…||
Welp....if it involves any current players, they deserve whatever suspensions they get. Whether it’s Rashan Gary or the backup long snapper.
|08/10/2018 - 7:07pm||Durkin’s ass is gone within…||
Durkin’s ass is gone within a week. Maybe even by Monday. They’ll still have to keep part of the staff together on an interim basis to weather the season, but they’ll all be out of a job by the last week of November.
Glad Durkin isn’t here anymore. Don’t want someone like that around our players. Not to mention we’ve got someone even better.
|08/10/2018 - 6:54pm||Another stain on the…||
Another stain on the conference.....
|08/10/2018 - 3:13pm||If he heads out of B1G…||
If he heads out of B1G country that's fine by me. Or at least heads out of state.
Best of luck to him wherever he goes.
|08/10/2018 - 12:34pm||Do you know if Hulu Live or…||
Do you know if Hulu Live or Youtube TV Stream their channels in 4K?
|08/10/2018 - 9:16am||I wouldn't be surprised if…||
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a night game. Especially if Michigan comes in undefeated. I know OSU-PSU is that night so it wouldn't be THE game to watch, but there can be more than one night game.
Michigan and ND are Northwestern's two biggest home games of the year. And I believe ND comes to Evanston in November, so my guess is a night game against ND is kaput.
I'll be going to the game as well, and to be honest I hope the game is 3:30 or earlier. I went to the game in 2011 and Ryan Field is anything but rowdy. Glorified high school stadium.
|08/09/2018 - 9:21pm||What the fuck ever.
What the fuck ever.
What thread is next? Shelley Meyer caught taking a shit in a Bob Evans after they pulled Urban’s sponsorship?
|08/09/2018 - 7:54pm||Tressel lied directly to the…||
Tressel lied directly to the NCAA. OSU wasn’t given a choice. If he’d just lied to the media like Meyer did, it’s entirely possible he’s still coaching there.
|08/09/2018 - 3:32pm||I can't help but feel like…||
I can't help but feel like we'd be celebrating at the expense of someone's physical and emotional abuse.
But I wouldn't be unhappy to see him go. He'd be continuing a proud OSU tradition of head coaches leaving the job in disgrace.
|08/09/2018 - 3:20pm||Doesn't necessarily mean…||
Doesn't necessarily mean anything.
I still stand by my belief that he'll probably get a 3-4 game suspension, but there's no way he's not back by week 5 when they go to Penn State.
If someone does indeed get fired, it's more likely that Gene Smith is going to be the sacrificial lamb. You can replace Gene Smith. You really can't replace Meyer.
|08/09/2018 - 3:10pm||The time has come for…||
The time has come for someone to put his foot down.
And that foot is me.
|08/09/2018 - 3:08pm||They are as long as Brohm…||
They are as long as Brohm stays. And if he continues to improve at Purdue over the next year or two, it won't be shocking to see him leave for the SEC or ND if they decide they're ready to move on from Brian Kelly.
I think Purdue will be good with Brohm there, but he's not staying long-term.
|08/09/2018 - 12:47pm||Really? I'd take facing…||
Really? I'd take facing Barrett over Haskins all day. Haskins could make the throws that Barrett couldn't.
OSU already had an abundance of guys who could run with the ball, so Barrett didn't add a whole lot of additional value (in my eyes) in that department. But what OSU's offense has been lacking since Meyer arrived is a QB who could consistently throw the ball, and throw it accurately. Because of that, they've never had any great WRs during Meyer's tenure, aside from Michael Thomas and MAYBE Devin Smith. Most of OSU's WRs over the last 6 years have been kind of meh. Not bad by any stretch, but not the superstars you'd expect a guy like Meyer to churn out.
They've already got more than enough athletes to hand the ball off to. If I'm OSU, I'm more than happy to have a QB who might be slightly less athletic but MUCH more accurate. The ceiling for OSU's offense goes even higher. Haskins definitely isn't as good an athlete as Miller was, probably not as good as what Barrett was. But he doesn't have to be. And I think he could be an even more dangerous QB than either of them.
|08/09/2018 - 12:32pm||Nebraska has the money to…||
Nebraska has the money to keep him. They've certainly had some lean years, but that's still a fervent, fiercely loyal, and extremely large fanbase (almost inexplicably so for a state that sparsely populated) that wants nothing more than to see it's football team succeed again. They will pony up for him if push comes to shove, so if Frost ever leaves it will never be about the money. And as someone above me said, what else does Nebraska really have? Every other sport at that school is playing for a very distant second place. Frost has and will always have everyone's undying attention at that school.
Nebraska has everything it needs to get back to blueblood status. And if they get back there, they're in the playoff discussion. Not this year, probably not next year. But by year three, I think Frost will have that program in the playoff discussion.