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09/16/2018 - 11:33am Why do people always talk…

Why do people always talk about improvement as if we are going to improve but other teams won't? It is possible for other teams to improve too, perhaps even more than we do. This isn't a particularly young team with experience on the defense, 4th/5th year guys at OT, and outside of WR/Ruiz almost everyone who is starting is in their 3rd, 4th, or 5th years. We also don't exactly have a stellar record of finishing the season strong lately going 5-7 in the last 4 games of each of Harbaugh's years. Opponent quality is a big factor there but aside from Rudock's improvement there really hasn't been a strong in season improving trend under Harbaugh like you see with say PSU 2016 etc. I guess we'll see but you're counting on something to help us that may just as well work against us. 

09/09/2018 - 11:02am It's not trolling, it's just…

It's not trolling, it's just another data point that indicates no one should be optimistic against how this offense will fare against good competition. Ball State had about as much success against Notre Dame as we did. Syracuse also put up more points and yards than we did against WMU, who clearly has a really bad defense. They accomplished the goal of winning today but having production comparable to a Ball State or Syracuse won't cut it in the B1G. 

04/21/2018 - 9:35am As a person living in one of

As a person living in one of the now 9 states with legalized recreational weed, this is actually kind of a thing. But in the end, growing weed is just ag, distribution is just distribution, and retailing really isn't much different so aside from the barriers to entry on the regulatory side it's too easy for competitors to move in. Definitely a lot of money to be made but not a gold rush. 

04/01/2018 - 1:30pm I can see the similarity but

I can see the similarity but I think that fundamentally those were different circumstances. That was a team with vastly more athleticism playing down to the level of the competition. They didn't even show up for that first half against UCLA in the round of 32 I think it was. Lack of intensity is a bit easier to turn on. Whereas this team is prone to cold shooting streaks. Anything can happen in one game, but I don't know that you can step up your perimeter shooting TAMU levels, which may be what is required to win, in the same way the 93 team was able to up their game. 

04/01/2018 - 1:20pm As long as we don't try to

As long as we don't try to start a land war in Asia we should be good. 

04/01/2018 - 12:56pm Nor 1997 either. Though some

Nor 1997 either. Though some bureaucrats claim that never happened. 

04/01/2018 - 12:54pm Remember the roof getting

Remember the roof getting torn off of...China Gate was it? Old memories. 

03/25/2018 - 11:54am TT and KU for sure. Won't

TT and KU for sure. Won't happen though. I could stomach a loss to Villanova in the NCG better than another one to Duke, even though I think Villanova is probably the best team and thus a tougher opponent. Although that's probably offset by matchup issues against Duke. So I guess in summary, Fuck Duke!

03/25/2018 - 11:46am Play fast? They're 315th in

Play fast? They're 315th in tempo. Unless you mean their players are quick etc, which relative to the quickness you can typically expect in a final four game isn't really the case. 

03/24/2018 - 11:20pm Amazing. To go 4 for 22 from

Amazing. To go 4 for 22 from 3 and win is a testament to how awesome the defense is. Woot woot. 

03/24/2018 - 11:17pm Final Four!!!

Final Four!!!

02/22/2018 - 2:53pm What's wrong with that? Seems

What's wrong with that? Seems like good coaching and classic up tempo ball handling. Quickly penetrate and get your shot off before the 30 second shot clock expires. 

01/28/2018 - 10:00am I don't know if I would say

I don't know if I would say Izzo is fine. Even if you think his accountability for this scandal won't get him fired (not sure I agree but that's been discussed in depth elsewhere), he is about to have a gigantic comprehensive high profile investigation into the program. An investigation backed by law enforcement/subpoena powers. While Izzo isn't particularly dirty by most accounts, the nature of college basketball recruiting puts him on very shaky ground. 

01/28/2018 - 9:50am I dunno about that. Briles

I dunno about that. Briles couldn't even get a job as a CFL assistant without an uproar.

They are both in their 60s as Dantonio is only a year younger than Izzo. Neither is young enough to go through the requisite cooling off period and lower level job success necessary to get another high level job.

Decent chance they could get NFL/NBA assistant jobs but given their age, past career success, and lifetime earnings that probably doesn't have much appeal. 

01/21/2018 - 6:01pm I dunno about that. You're

I dunno about that. You're right about playing time for next year, but in terms of overall roster construction and opportunity cost we would not be taking a flier on a fifth year guy at a position that isn't a huge depth need if we had other great options to get tot 85 with freshmen that we truly wanted long-term. We mostly missed on those guys. 

01/14/2018 - 10:17am Looks like he has a website

Looks like he has a website with several videos:

01/12/2018 - 7:37am Hard to say. I've heard the

Hard to say. I've heard the same thing in regards to Denver which anyone who has walked 16th Street lately can attest too. But it's hard to seperate out some of the other factors that play into homelessness like the increasing lack of affordable housing for LMI individuals and the opiod crisis. 


Personally, I think it is a net positive. Weed was available before and there hasn't been substantial increase in consumption. Tax revenue is generated. I'd rather people pay a licensed business operating in compliance with our state regulations rather than support street criminals who will ultimately funnel those profits back to the extraordinarily violent and destructive cartels. 

01/10/2018 - 8:12pm I'd say 2008 was probably

I'd say 2008 was probably worse, but that's a distinction without a difference as this year was horrible either way. 

01/09/2018 - 9:29am But they have good players

But they have good players across the board. Their freshman are playing because usually they are really good (5 star talent galore) and those guys beat out solid experienced players to see the field. Some of our young guys have played because there is no other solid option. I mean, pretty clearly Harbaugh did not want to play Peters at that point and resisted until he had no choice with Speight's injury and O'Korn's struggles. DPJ needed some grooming but had to play because our experienced wideouts are so thin. Ruiz would probably have redshirted at AL or OSU because he was a functional piece, but only that at this point (which is still pretty good for a 1st year OL). Without taking a stance on Metellus's play, his competition was a true freshman and a walk-on so he basically had to play. We need better depth of talent and competition.

01/06/2018 - 5:10pm Wait, how far did the punt

Wait, how far did his punting ass kick it? Because the team the team the team could use another punter. 

01/05/2018 - 2:52pm It's 2018 and he's not even

It's 2018 and he's not even practicing for an injury that occured in 2016. Best of luck to him on his recovery and maybe he can make it back to at least play again but hard to see how he's a starter ever again. 

01/05/2018 - 2:27pm Petit-Frere, Friday and Reese

Petit-Frere, Friday and Reese would certainly be a very good end to the class. That said, we're 14th now in the rankings and that includes Reese who may well bail. Plus we aren't in on many other players at this point so this may be more of a top 20 rather than a top 10 class once it all shakes out. It's thin on top talent, I wouldn't call it excellent but it can be a solid class. 

01/05/2018 - 1:50pm You can get away with one

You can get away with one mediocre recruiting class especially when the 2 prior classes had lots of quantity. You just can't have two in a row. Will probably be a smaller class anyway in 2019 too. 

01/05/2018 - 1:38pm Could see Furbush getting the

Could see Furbush getting the firm handshake, or jetting of his own accord. Normally a contributer who plays doesn't get that treatment but there is a ton of young LB talent underneath and if some of those redshirts or younger guys project to pass him by autumn then it wouldn't be suprising if he is out. 

01/05/2018 - 1:35pm Yep 11 seniors, good

Yep 11 seniors, good catch.


Also commits is 5 not 4 though that may be intentional with Reese. But then obviously if he does stick, it bumps the freshmen from 32 to 33 while commits would remain at 4. 

01/05/2018 - 1:25pm Agree on Watson, Bunting and

Agree on Watson, Bunting and Marshall.


I know JBB is...well, yeah. But he was still at least enough in the mix to start this year. Given the paucity of proven OTs it seems like the one spot where you least want to kick someone to the curb is the position where you are most desperate for any serviceable solution. I mean I get what you're saying, but he's probably still at least in the two deep as one of our 4 best OTs with Cole gone. 

01/05/2018 - 1:21pm Seems pretty optimistic but

Seems pretty optimistic but I'm admittedly a pessimist. To me, you're taking a 5 loss team and swapping out a game against an atrocious Florida team with a road game @Notre Dame and swap out @Purdue for @NW. You get PSU and WI at home but have OSU and MSU on the road. This is still a young roster with a new QB (maybe) and coaching staff turnover that may wind up being half the staff. I expect we'll be a significantly better team but we've got a lot of improvement to do to be a CFP contender. So much depends on Patterson obviously who is new to the program and isn't even officially eligible yet. Then, even if you have no upsets, and you assume Nebraska still sucks and we beat them, you still have to win 6 out of 7 out of @ND, WI, PSU, @MSU, @NW, @OSU and a probable rematch with WI in B1G championship to come up with the 1 loss record and conference championship that is usually necessary to get to the CFP. Yep, it could happen but that's an extremely favorable outcome. Also probably necessitates winning in Columbus since a loss to them makes any tiebreaker path pretty challenging. 


And even then, are we talking about just making the CFP and being MSU 2015 CFP good, or Washington/OSU 2016 good, or are we talking about being able to beat Alabama? Because those are two different levels of quality. 

01/05/2018 - 10:39am You're setting yourself up

You're setting yourself up for disappointment. The offense next year may be something like solid or respectable or top 30. But there is no way the dysfunctional offense we saw on Monday loses Cole and in one offseason becomes "pumping on all cylinders" at the start of the 2018 season. Especially given the virtual certainty of a first year new offensive staff. And what is still a relatively young roster on both sides of the ball with basically 2 to 4 seniors on offense. It'll get fixed but it's highly unlikely to happen that fast.


I know people are really fucking tired of kicking the can down the road but the roster plus the schedules do point towards 2019 as the year when pumping on all cylinders may happen. 

01/04/2018 - 5:17pm On paper it might make sense

On paper it might make sense but it's just not a good idea. Having Hoke as a coach would be like being friends with your ex-, or trying to move back to your hometown where you grew up. Thomas Wolfe was right. 


Also, there's the whole Morris/player safety thing which is also a disqualifer. 



01/04/2018 - 9:19am Sarkisian was another one

Sarkisian was another one that came to mind although hard to imagine he'd make that move unless he is not retained as OC by the Falcons. 

01/03/2018 - 10:02pm Wofford or North Carolina are

Wofford or North Carolina are the two that come to mind as most similar. 

01/03/2018 - 3:10pm Yep, pretty sure about that.

Yep, pretty sure about that. If you want to re-visit RR, start with about 87 defensive issues, Greg Robinson, recruiting, culture etc. Lack of appreciation for rivalries wasnt the issue. His 15-22 record and shitty football was. 


The problem is that we needed more David Long (CA), Rashan Gary (NJ), Jabrill Peppers (NJ), Mo Hurst (MA) guys and fewer Reon Dawson (Ohio), Jaron Dukes (Ohio), AJ Williams (Ohio), Allen Gant (OH), Kaleb Ringer (OH) types over the last dozen years. It's not a rivalry problem, it's a mediocre football problem. I'll take great players no matter where they come from as our best strategy for winning more of those games in the future. 


If we were going 10-2 every year and losing to OSU and MSU your argument would have more merit but we all know the last decade was characterized by a lot of meh football at Michigan. The rivalry games have minimal impact on the overall season's record for each program. MSU has won 10 games 6 of the last 8 years because they are a good program under Dantonio. OSU has won 11 games in each of the Meyer years because they are a top 5 national program. We haven't been.


Again, we don't have a problem with rivalry games; we have a problem that our rivals are better at football than we are for the last decade. Correlation is not causation and the Ohio recruiting situation is as much an effect of OSU surpassing us on the field as it is a cause of our problems. Do you think it is by coincidence that our shitty decade coincides with Ohio hiring two very good (but sketchy obviously) coaches in Tressell and Meyer, MSU having Dantonio while we hired RichRod and Brady Hoke plus had the late Carr recruiting malaise for the 2005-2007 classes? Ohio kids are fine and we've had plenty of great ones but there is nothing magical about them. We just need to be better at football and the rivalry stuff will sort itself out. 

01/03/2018 - 1:22pm Meh. Players are players

Meh. Players are players whether they are from Ohio or not. If Enos is a good recruitier, great. But we're not losing to OSU because their players having some deeper level of understanding of the rivalry but because they've had much better talent. And on the whole they've had better coaching too for the last dozen years. Let's just get more talent from anywhere. 

01/03/2018 - 1:14pm First, if Sparty fans on

First, if Sparty fans on Facebook or Michigan fans on Facebook for that matter bragging matters at all you should seriously reflect on why you care in the least about what strangers on Facebook are saying about football, or anything else.


Second, can we please stop with the "As I said before, we all expected an 8 or 9 win season this year but are pissed that it comes with 4 or 5 losses. " revisionist history. We've been over this before and the mean and median predictions in the preseason prediction thread were 10-2. That thread needs to be a sticky. 

01/03/2018 - 9:56am No. I think Drevno might have

No. I think Drevno might have been the OC at San Diego but he's never been an OC anywhere else AFAIK. Just an OL coach. Roman was Harbaugh's OC with the 49ers. 

01/03/2018 - 9:42am It's an indirect offer of a

It's an indirect offer of a promotion really. Association with Alabama's defense is about the best way to ensure that some other school will be eager to give you a promotion soon thereafter. 

01/02/2018 - 9:56pm The bowl result itself

The bowl result itself doesn't matter really for recruiting. But the bowl loss will fuel one outcome-- there will be an emerging media theme over the next 8 months along the lines of "The Harbaugh experiment is not working out like Michigan hoped". People can disagree with that position, but it will start to bubble up rightly or wrongly or as maintstream perception. I really don't know if those sorts of narratives impact recruiting much. Probably makes it a little bit harder to say you are building something special, but that becomes a harder argument to make as you move into year 4 anyway with recruits who will be signing up for years 5 to 9. 


Correlation does not equal causation, but I also do wonder about the extent to which swapping out Wheatley/Fisch for Hamilton/Frey (and perhaps Tuioti for Dudek) relates to the dip in recruiting this year. But perhaps it is just randomness. Guess we'll see where we are at once the new staff shakes out. 

01/02/2018 - 9:43pm Probably not. It's not really

Probably not. It's not really that hard to come up with guys who were quite good to great in college, but didnt fit the NFL position prototypes, or had injuries etc that impacted their draft status. Jake Butt, Denard Robinson, Steve Breaston, Jonathan Goodwin, Jon Vaughn, Mercury Hayers, Jerame Tuman, Mike Harden, Paul Jokisch, David Arnold etc were all 5th rounders out of Michigan. Breaston, Goodwin, Harden and Tuman all certainly had very successful NFL careers too. Expand it to other schools and there are hundreds and hundreds of guys like that.


That's not to say that WInovich is or isn't a 5th rounder type, just that all sorts of pretty damn good college and/or NFL players aren't necessarily high draft picks. 

01/02/2018 - 12:02am Van Summeren looks like his

Van Summeren looks like his value will be in providing FB depth, not in carrying the ball. Or so one would hope. And Turner and Haskins don't exactly figure to be the types who will break into the rotation immediately as true freshmen. 

01/01/2018 - 11:56pm Well 20 carries but I truly

Well 20 carries but I truly did think Walker looked promising in his very limited time running the ball. Seemed to decisively pick his lane and go. Maybe not a bright spot, but an intriguing piece perhaps? Hope whatever off the field drama is up now is resolved favorably. There's room for 3 backs. 

01/01/2018 - 4:22pm Demotions are pretty hard.

Demotions are pretty hard. Hard to imagine Drevno is back as OL coach, or OC for that matter. 

01/01/2018 - 4:21pm Disagree. Offense was better

Disagree. Offense was better but still only 38th in S&P+ in 2015 and 40th in 2016. They put up points on tomato cans like Hawaii, USF and Maryland last year and then struggled against competent teams against teams with a defense like Wisconsin, Iowa, OSU etc. And then 74th this year. Harbaughffense has not demonstrated it can perform well even outside this year. 


They'll be better next year and yeah maybe 38th or whatever again plus a Don Brown defense gets us back to 10-3. But this offense is so so bad. Subtract Cole and thiss not going to be a top 25 unit next year even with improvement and maybe even improvement in coaching and playcalling. 

01/01/2018 - 4:16pm Some truth in that and the

Some truth in that and the score was fine. But even when we were up 19-3 it had as much to do with their turnovers and our defense as anything else. 

12/31/2017 - 1:41pm lol. Wisconsin was good but

lol. Wisconsin was good but wasn't the best team in the conference in any of 93, 98 or 99 when they went to the Rose Bowl. OSU probably had the best team in 93 and certainly in 98 while we were the best team in the conference in 99. I'm sure a more substantive analysis could be put together to support this but if you were watching B1G football in that era it was pretty clear. Wisconsin got lucky with some of their byes under Alvarez. Though to their credit, they didn't choke against a lame opponent in the way that OSU did against MSU in 98, or against us in 93, or how we coughed it up against IL in 99. 

12/31/2017 - 12:57pm McSorley put up more passing

McSorley put up more passing yards this season than any M quarterback has in any season ever. McSorley had a higher completion % than any M quarterback (100+ attempts) has in any season ever. McSorley threw more TDs than any M quarterback has in any season ever. His career passer rating to date is higher than any M quarterback ever. No, he's not the greatest quarterback ever, yes he arm punts it, and he is surrounded by a ton of skill position talent. But in the end, he's a pretty effective passer and people should stop acting like he is just a replacement level QB. The guy is on pace to be a 10,000 yard career passer with 1000+ rushing yards, 85-90 TDs, had a 67% completion rate this year etc. He's actually a really good QB. Be ecstatic if Peters or Patterson does anything close to the production that McSorley had this year at any point in the next 3 years. 

12/31/2017 - 12:33pm But by next season no one

But by next season no one will care except for a few diehard B1G fans on message boards. To the rest of the world it will be a distant memory, and then these games will happen:


M @ Notre Dame


MSU @ AZ State

PSU @ Pitt

Iowa State @ Iowa

Notre Dame @ NW

Colorado @ Nebraska

BYU @ Wisconsin

Missouri @ Purdue


And as always the perception of the conference will be shaped by how it fares in September instead of in the previous bowl season. Particularly those first two games.

12/30/2017 - 2:16pm Late 30s is when the

Late 30s is when the bert-belly happens so around 2035 or so?

12/30/2017 - 2:10pm Yeah, they beat a USC team

Yeah, they beat a USC team that turned out to be good, but it was early in the year early in the Carroll tenure and USC was coming off of a 6-6 season. And it's one game out of....321 he's coached at KSU. 


In the big picture, if you take the 10 years of prime KSU football which is 1994 to 2003, Snyder went 100-27. But break that down and you find that he was 3-16 agains top 10 teams and 97-11 against other top 11-25, or unranked teams. Obviously games against top 10 teams are tough, but if you are a legit top 10 program over an extended time frame, you cannot lose 84% of those games against your ostensibly peer top 10 opponents. I stand by the assessment that that program was good, but consistently overrated because of shiny records that didn't hold up when they played good teams. 


Don't' get me wrong, Snyder did an amazing job with what was the worst program in major college football at the time he inherited it from Stan Parrish. But no, they were never as good as some of their records and hype indicated at the time.

12/30/2017 - 11:58am The gap between the

The gap between the respective running games is even bigger than the difference in the passing games though, hence the higher overall rating for our O. Toss in the significant difference in defenses (10th vs 46th) and we're pretty clearly the better team. Anything can happen in one game but we're probably winning this game. 

12/30/2017 - 11:53am Yeah, very interested to see

Yeah, very interested to see this matchup. Fancy stats like UW and have them 4th in the country and their defense is better than ours or MSU's or OSU's. Barkley may murder them on special teams but otherwise I think they can play pretty evenly with PSU.