To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. [Patrick Barron]

Football Bits on CCCP1: Offense Comment Count

Seth April 26th, 2021 at 3:51 PM

“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”
― Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs

Let’s wrap up spring practice, shall we?

We didn’t get a spring game—I’ve said enough about that—and all of the information these days is filtered through Pravda. It’s a bummer, but as long as this stance lasts you need to add three layers of negativity to everything the program releases to feel half-reasonable. I’ll lead each section with the tiny bit of insider information then share what the program’s saying.

Quarterback

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BA life. [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: Soviet passing economy strong like Comrade Putin rectus abdominis muscle. Comrade McNamara is people’s chain mover. Comrade McCarthy has talent that is bigger than Soviet Union. Ha ha is joke, nothing is bigger than Soviet Union.

What we’re hearing: If you heard one thing from the spring game it’s that passes were batted at the line…a LOT($). Cade’s got a much better command of the offense, but gets a lot of passes batted down due to his height; ITF’s guy compared him to Ian Book($), which, uh, yeah, that guy gets a lot of passes filed BA. McCarthy’s talent is evident but he’s making lots of true freshman in his first spring practice mistakes.

A guy I spoke to thinks quarterback will be a limiting factor again this year and “you didn’t miss much” about Cade’s spring game performance, a sentiment echoed by ITF’s source($). Sam Webb shared on our podcast that McCarthy’s just a matter of when($):

That being said, the excitement about JJ McCarthy ’s future is palpable. Physically, he is just on another level compared to the other quarterbacks. One source offered the same assessment of McCarthy that he’d offered previously about Donovan Edwards… “he is what a five-star is supposed to look like.”

Jansen’s In the Trenches podcast said Cade was better at directing his offensive line and knowing where the rush is coming from. He does a great job of letting his receivers make a play. As for JJ: You saw what you’d expect from a 5-star recruit with regards to ability, and he’s faster than he expected.

New QB coach Matt Weiss was featured, and they summarized his bits:

So, what does Weiss think of the Wolverines' three scholarship quarterbacks?

On McNamara: "You can say he's not enough of this or not enough of that, but at the end of the day, he's really smart. He makes great decisions. He processes things very fast, and his accuracy and arm strength are more than enough to win with."

On Villari: "He has arm strength. He has mobility. I love working with him. He's a guy who, for sure, could develop into a really good player for us."

On McCarthy: "Arm strength, mobility, great athlete -- all that stuff is obvious as soon as you step on the field with him -- but I've been even more impressed with his approach to things. His maturity is far beyond his years."

Gattis also went on the Jansen pod, and Isaiah Hole of WolverinesWire painstakingly typed up and organized all the things the OC said. From that: the players believe in Cade, who moves the ball and commands the offense well. JJ’s working on “understanding every day is a new day.”

Gattis also pointed out Villari was the scout team QB last year so he’s getting in his first reps as well.

What it means: We’ll have to keep an eye out for the batted passes thing—those tend to stick to certain QBs because of release points and styles of play.

Read nothing into J.J. McCarthy’s struggles this spring, or the suggestion in Gattis’s comments that the true freshman is frustrated with his play. I strongly disagreed with Sam when he suggested on WTKA last week that you might as well roll with the kid if it’s a lost season. Quarterbacking is about comfort, so yes, game reps are important. Reps when you have no protection however are counterproductive, and can ruin a guy. Unless McCarthy himself gives you a timeline, I prefer to take it slow.

Projected depth chart McNamara, [Bowman], McCarthy, Villari

[After THE JUMP: No CCCP2 jokes today]

Running Backs

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Puny linebacker I crush with thighs [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: Industrious backfield where all comrade abilities join in great communist system for many yards. Comrade Haskins break through tackles like shackles of capitalist oppressors. Corum is hero of Soviet Labour. Komsomol Edwards will be great Octoberist.

What we’re hearing: Corum and Edwards have been “really explosive”($) according to Balas’s source, with more in there about Edwards, who’s “blazing fast” according to one of their guys. Several people reported Edwards looked worn down at the end of spring, which is understandable since he went right from winning the state championship to spring ball. Corum is Lorenz’s breakout candidate, and the backs are his pick for

Jansen’s observation was Hassan Haskins is “going to be a stud.” Corum going to be a star. Edwards and Dunlap you could see the scouting come through.

Gattis admitted it’s hard to get a feel for Haskins in a no-contact scenario, but that they’re seeing the patience in Corum that wasn’t there last year:

I think one of Blake’s biggest challenges last year is he relied so heavily on speed. He didn’t have patience going to the hole.

Gattis echoed the sentiments above re: Edwards. Tavierre Dunlap also had a “solid spring.”

What it means: We’ve seen these guys on film enough to know the scouting matches the tape. I think we’ve got more questions about how they’ll be used, but on paper this is a perfect mix.

Projected depth chart: Haskins, Corum, Edwards, Dunlap, with AJ Henning in the old Giles Jackson role.

Wide Receiver

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Pinkies at the ready. [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear: Three-year Cornelius Johnson plan was genius policy, Michigan now leading receiving power. Soviet passing architects will use AJ Henning to punish ugly capitalist aggressors. Ignore party traitor Xavier Worthy, future of party is strongest ever, evil fat cat Texans will be punished very much by people’s national collegiate athletic association.

What we’re hearing: Everybody seems to have their own version of “Cornelius Johnson and ______ are doing stuff,” followed by “Oh yeah, Ronnie Bell of course.”

We’ll lead with Gattis, though his admission that he’s accumulated enough speed may be the biggest lie of the offseason:

We entirely have the speed needed and now I feel better that we’ve come along with the details. We’ve got some guys right now that are playing at a high level from a details standpoint. Cornelius Johnson and Mikey Sainristil — those two guys stand out when you walk out to our field. Seeing the level of consistency that they’re playing with, plays that they’re making are plays that they’re making because of their details. Not because of how athletic or how fast that they are. They’re applying the whole toolbox to allow those guys to be open.

This was before the Worthy news, of course.

While Gattis talked about Mike Sainristil, some of the practice reports were really excited about Andrel Anthony, whose ability to get deep was a common silver lining when the Xavier Worthy news dropped. The [blank] in my guy’s case is AJ Henning, which it isn’t hard to deduce he was part of the reason Giles Jackson bailed—Henning got the end-around in the highlight video. He, Bell, and Roman Wilson were all on the maize team, IE the one getting McCarthy pressured all day, so it was hard to tell with any of them.

ITF’s read on this situation was the receivers were having a hard time getting open, and that Gattis coaching the blue team (hence better play-calling) was part of that. Chris Balas had the most interesting fill in the blank($): Cristian Dixon, which I think is just reflection of the spring game events.

What it means: I think we were expecting them to say nice things about Cornelius Johnson, and Ronnie Bell is basically an avatar of the program right now in that they’re careful not to say anything nice for risk of getting all the boo birds on their backs that they haven’t had a breakout receiver since.

We all knew Gattis likes Sainristil—that was a camp theme last year. Roman Wilson and AJ Henning getting mentioned in the back end of comments says they’re not quite there on the details aspect.

Projected depth chart: Bell, C.Johnson, Sainristil are the 1s, with Henning #2 at the slot and Wilson, Anthony, Dixon in that order outside. I think they like the first three a lot better than the freshman backups.

Tight Ends

What we want to hear: Backbone of Soviet economy.

What we’re hearing: The most recent ITF was mostly basketball stuff, but one football bit is Matt Hibner could have a role this fall($). My guy said Erick All really came on in the second half of spring, and finished spring on a streak of catching literally every target. He also said that’s important because none of these guys save Honigford is much of a blocker but All can make some plays there with his athleticism.

ITF was hinting hard about an impending transfer($) a month ago, but that threat seems to have gone away.

Gattis kind of said the quiet part.

We got a handful of guys that we would consider great practice players, but we now gotta find a way to allow those guys to be great game players. Erick (All) is another one of those guys, his talent really hasn’t displayed itself in game-like situations. The catches, the ability he’s displayed each and every day in practice, we gotta build that confidence up with him, making sure we don’t let him hang on a negative play.

I like Gattis’s approach, which is to give a guy a second shot after a flub, and it sounds like that’s now more All’s career than a series against Rutgers. Carter Seltzer gets a mention after Schoonmaker, Hibner, and Honigford.

What it means: A series of drops was all we saw of Erick All and it’s not hard to guess this affected the guy deeply in the course of the spring. Like the program, the only way to tell is in games.

Projected depth chart: All, Schoonmaker, Hibner, [Hansen], Selzer, with Honigford a sixth OL.

Offensive Line

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More might. [Barron]

What we want to hear: Our magnificent Kossaks have no names, all are now Yuri. All Yuri interchangeable specimens, consume many ribs.

What we’re hearing: I’m going to start with my own source because I didn’t know this:

You guys keep talking about Ed. You guys know that [the 2019 OL] was Juan Castillo not Ed Warinner right? The kids love Sherrone. He’s in there with them. He’s been there and they respect him.

Castillo was an analyst who took the Bears job last year. The gist was Warinner was more of an unnamed run game coordinator, and that those duties are passing now to co-OC Sherrone Moore.

Grad transfer Willie Allen didn’t stick. The Daily Hoosier also learned why Zach Carpenter transferred—his mom has Lupus.

The staff loves true freshman Greg Crippen, who’s up to #2 on the center depth chart($) over Reece Atteberry, who missed part of spring with illness according to Chris Balas on Inside the Fort. They were both on the blue team, which made it on the short highlight reel:

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That’s Zak Zinter at center. The blue OL here is (L->R) Ryan Hayes, Trevor Keegan, Zinter, Chuck Filiaga, and Griffin Korican, with Matthew Hibner at tight end. Projected starting Andrews Stueber and Vastardis were on the maize team; Vastardis started for the maize team but came out early($) for Raheem Anderson to get a lot of snaps.

We’ve heard they’re cross-training Zinter at center so it’s not too odd to have him getting reps there.

Ryan Hayes gave a presser, likes Moore’s energy. Jansen of course had his own guy on In the Trenches:

I’m like “Who’s this 75?” It was Nolan Rumler.

Nolan is just one of those kids I kept waiting for that light to go on because he’s so strong, and moves well, bends well. He’s starting now to play with that natural awareness of what’s going on around him. As a former tackle, he endeared himself to every tackle that has ever played this game of football because … he went and found some work. He found some ribs. He went out there trying to help his offensive tackle and just absolutely demolished—he found work, and that’s what I love. And there were other times when he’d come in and he would help his center. It was just a thing of beauty. I’m excited about it because that tells me that’s a conversation that’s being had by Sherrone Moore. I’m excited for [Rumler] but it also makes me excited for this offensive line because that is something I need to see more from every single individual.

Moore went through his guys on In the Trenches. To summarize, Vastardis understands the game, on and off the field. Stueber’s versatile. Filiaga has to “continue to learn and grow.” Ryan Hayes is getting stronger, close to being really good. The 2019 class—Barnhart, Trente Jones, Trevor Keegan and Nolan Rumler—could be four hits. Zinter’s been great. Grad assistant Grant Newsome is money.

What it means: This is the spot on offense where the lack of a spring game bothers me the most, because I do think there’s reason to be positive about the offensive line if we can back it up with some film. Last year’s new-built line was so devastated by injuries, and so backed up against the wall by playing from behind all the time, I give them a pass in pass protection. The guys who messed up blocking assignments most were either a true freshman or a guy who seems to be third on the depth chart this year.

Willie Allen transferred to play immediately and decided that’s not here, which says only good things about Trente Jones, Karsen Barnhart, and/or any guards who are pushing Stueber back into the tackle conversation.

Zinter at center probably isn’t the final form, but if something happens to Vastardis I believe that’s where they want to go before the freshmen. It does lend credence to the spring reports that Atteberry and Crippen are not ready to play yet, which is understandable.

I think losing Zach Carpenter really messed with their plans, and it’s also quite plausible they’re not sold on Vastardis over some of their options at guard. If you can shoehorn one of them into center—and Zinter would be the guy they want on the field regardless—you have now have three spots (RT, RG, LG) you can fill with your best two of Stueber, Filiaga, Keegan, Nolan Rumler, or Karsen Barnhart.

Speaking of Rumler, I love that we’re getting something nice about him, but I also know the program often starts saying really nice things about a guy when he’s thinking of leaving. Sometimes it works too.

Filiaga feels like he’s fading—his shot was to seize the job last year, not lose snaps to Keegan.

Projected depth chart: Zinter, Stueber, and Hayes seem like locks, Vastardis leads at center but if Zinter can pick it up they might move him out to get both of Keegan (at guard) and Barnhart (at tackle, moving Stueber to RG) on the field. Trente Jones is the next guy at tackle, and then there’s another drop to Filiaga and Rumler, who remain ahead of the freshmen. If I’m making an NCAA 2014 depth chart it looks like this:

LT LG C RG RT
Hayes Keegan Vastardis Zinter Stueber
Barnhart Stueber Zinter Stueber Barnhart
Jones Filiaga   Rumler Jones

We’ll see how things shake out in fall. A Hayes-Keegan-Zinter-Stueber-Barnhart line seems like it’s got the highest upside.

Comments

Jmer

April 26th, 2021 at 5:41 PM ^

Given that Harbaugh signed a four year extension that was an extremely incentive laden contract and the fact that they are going in an entirely new direction on defense, I get the feeling that Harbaugh has been given two years from Warde to figure this out. 

MGoStrength

April 27th, 2021 at 8:37 AM ^

I think it's funny how the general consensus on the board has changed since the contract was initially signed, yet nothing new has happened.  When it was first signed everyone thought it was win the B1G or get fired.  Now, that's morphed into it being acceptable to have a losing season so long as there is progress in 2022.  I don't understand why the overall sentiment has changed.  I don't subscribe to either of those extremes as I think it's more nuanced, but it doesn't make sense to change based on the fact that nothing has changed since then.  I personally don't think JH needs to win the conference to save his job.  I also don't think a repeat of '20 spread out onto a larger scale of games will allow him to retain his job.  I'm sure Warde will accept some growing pains and probably accepts OSU is a lost cause for a few years, but I don't think he'll accept a losing season coupled with losses to both rivals again and only beating teams with losing records. 

MarcusBrooks

April 28th, 2021 at 2:44 PM ^

a losing season is in NO way acceptable, I hear NO one saying it is.  

I also don't think he needs to win the conference to save his job, he will get at least another 2 years to straighten this thing out before they fire him and shut the program down (because if Jimmy can't fix it their ain't no fixing it) sarcasm....kind of. 

I mean really if Harbaugh can't get it done who are you going to find who can? 

we recruited well and were an un-injured QB away (he had 3 devastating turnovers that cost us the game) from the playoffs in year 2016, the Iowa and OSU games we have not recovered from still. 

feels like next year (2022) will be the year we have the best chance, should have an experience QB, a settled Oline and hopefully a D that can make plays. 

this year is hoping for too much IMO 

btn

April 26th, 2021 at 4:18 PM ^

Hard to tell if the team is starting to learn about setting expectations too high or if we are going to fall off a cliff next season 

Lakeyale13

April 26th, 2021 at 9:16 PM ^

I've come to accept we are what we are....a middle of the road B10 team.  We still have no proven capable QB.  We have no proven capable 3 down back.  I don't understand using so many different RB's in a game.  Haskins and Corum seemed to have their own plays and were a tell of sorts for defenses.Defensively, it will be a mess until they get somethings figured out (hopefully) later in the season.  

But I ain't mad.  It is what it is.  I'll root for wins every Saturday and hope like heck Harbs can turn it around.

dotslashderek

April 27th, 2021 at 7:07 AM ^

While it’s a big if... if we overlook last season we have decidedly not been a “middle of the road big ten team”.

The slope might be concerning and beating OSU is gonna be tough as nails for the foreseeable future (ask TAMU folks aka me about having Bama in the same division) but I think some credit is due having been at the brink of a big ten championship / playoff berth multiple times since Harbaugh arrived.

Of course that also makes the end of season losses to OSU sting even more.

As mentioned above what has me worried is the trend - the last two seasons, even adding an asterisk to last year.  Went to UW for grad school and was living in Madison fall 2019 - had a big group of friends and family drive in (all maize and blue) for the game.

Absolutely brutal - and would have much rather preferred the normal UW fan shadiness to the gentle pity we experienced.

Ugggh.  

Cheers.

 

corundum

April 26th, 2021 at 4:23 PM ^

Honestly with the talent and bodies on the OL, that better be a great unit.

Filiaga was an enormous and highly rated recruit like three years ago and seems buried despite not being disastrous during game snaps. 

If the OL is bad, the QBs will definitely struggle and our strongest position group (RBs) won't be able to carry us to a winning season. 

MarcusBrooks

April 28th, 2021 at 2:49 PM ^

Filiaga was an enormous and highly rated recruit like three years ago and seems buried despite not being disastrous during game snaps.

 

go back and watch the game vs sparti and try to say that with a straight face, he was HORRIBLE 

LabattsBleu

April 26th, 2021 at 4:29 PM ^

cool to read some news from camp... who knows? Glad to hear kids like Moore and that Warriner bit...again, not sure what to make of it, but best case scenario is Warriner won't be missed I guess based on with the insider said?

it's all going to sort itself out on the field...

KentuckianaWolverine

April 26th, 2021 at 10:15 PM ^

I would like someone to break down exactly what the "run game coordinator" duties are.

Is it just creating the blocking scheme, for runs?  Is it dictating running plays?  Is it determining the RB rotation?

Like....who's responsible for those things?

The RB coach, the "run game coordinator", the Offensive coordinator, or the head coach?  I really would like someone to explain the "run game coordinator" and "passing game coordinator" duties and responsibilities.

KentuckianaWolverine

April 27th, 2021 at 6:38 PM ^

Seth.  Do you have any idea what the "run game coordinator" duties are?

How does those duties correspond with the RB coach, the OL coach, the OC, and the HC?

Seems like a lot of chefs in the RB kitchen, but I have zero idea how that position affects the run game, game plans, and actual run game production?????  Just wondering if you had any ideas?

Same goes with the "passing game coordinator"?

We've all seen that title (with other teams and with Michigan), but it has never really been explained.

MNWolverine2

April 26th, 2021 at 4:41 PM ^

This is 100% feelings ball, but it seems like this could be a team with less talent, but more energy and will to play for each other this fall.  A bunch of young coaches and players with backs against the wall together.

Warriner leaving seems like addition by subtraction and Moore has always seemed like one of the more beloved coaches on the team.  With Gattis, Moore, Hart, and Weiss coaching the O - that's a lot of young energy to get these guys going.

MGolem

April 26th, 2021 at 4:43 PM ^

There is a lot to like about this offense with one huge question mark and that is QB. Bowman coming aboard in the fall is going to be super interesting because he will be the only seasoned vet and maybe that is exactly what the offense needs, simply someone who can stand in the pocket and find an open guy. 

dragonchild

April 26th, 2021 at 4:44 PM ^

“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”

 I feel like I finally grew up when I realized like 85% of the so-called “adult world” is like this.

Hail to the Vi…

April 26th, 2021 at 4:45 PM ^

This is the year we'll find out if #speedinspace is a real thing or total BS. So far it's fair to say it's been a disappointment, but there certainly are some ways to rationalize why that would be the case (first year systems are typically an abbreviated version as players get used to new schemes, COVID year, plus breaking in a ton of new, young starters, etc.).

This year, if the offense looks like garbage, it's because the offensive scheme, play calling, and roster development/management is garbage. You have an offensive line who's absolute floor should be "solid unit". You have a deep and talented back field. You have playmakers at receiver who have been in the system for 3 years and you have a quarterback that has been in the system for 3 years, plus a blue chip freshman right behind him on the depth chart.

If Gattis and Harbaugh cannot translate that into at minimum a "good" offense (i.e. top 4 in the B1G), then I'm not really sure what else can be deduced other than they do not scheme and coordinate good offenses.. which is literally what they were hired to do here.