|06/11/2018 - 6:19pm||Wow. Congrats to…||
Wow. Congrats to Northwestern and Fitzgerald!
|06/11/2018 - 8:05am||G. A. Henty. Love his books…||
G. A. Henty. Love his books. I own most of them. Great adventure novels that help keep your childhood spirit of adventure alive. Not the most complex books you’ve ever read but enjoyable none the less.
|06/11/2018 - 8:03am||I’m currently reading “3 and…||
I’m currently reading “3 and Out” by John U. Bacon on the Michigan coaching search that led to Rich Rod, Rich’s tenure here, all the crap that went on behind the scenes, and eventually Hoke. One of the best books I’ve ever read. Would highly recommend.
|06/09/2018 - 6:00am||It’s not so much immediate…||
It’s not so much immediate dismissal so much as it’s a calculated opinion based on his less than stellar performance during the regular season but more so with his poor play in the bowl game. With so many extra practices, I expected to see a much better Peters than what we got. In all honesty, that bowl game was one of the most disappointing bowl performances I’ve seen from us lately. The Hoke and Rich Rod years (when we actually did make it to a bowl game) didn’t sting as bad because I didn’t expect much from the team. But last year? Against a mid-tier South Carolina squad? And in Harbaugh’s third season, I expected a much better display than what we got.
This doesn’t mean that Peters CAN’T be good, it’s just that we’ve seen this narrative play out before...QB gets injured and is never the same after that.
|06/09/2018 - 5:25am||The fact that it was Peters’…||
The fact that it was Peters’ 2nd year in the program and still had such limited knowledge of the playbook is concerning to me. If he knows so little after two years then maybe he’s not putting the effort in? Just speculation I know but the evidence on the field suggested something was slightly off with Peters last season and the lack of apparent improvement didn’t help things any.
He still could pull ahead this year and play great, who knows. But I wouldn’t bet on it at this point.
|06/09/2018 - 5:17am||While I’d like to see…||
While I’d like to see McCaffrey pull ahead of the pack this year (so as to demonstrate real growth and development at the QB position) I would only put money on Patterson starting this fall.
So I agree with OP: Patterson, McCaffrey, Peters, then Milton redshirts. But next season I’d expect McCaffrey to take the no. 1 spot with Milton in no. 2, someone else in 3rd and Peters transferring....this is assuming of course that Patterson leaves for the NFL.
Nothing against Peters, it just seems like A) He missed his best chance to claim the starting spot, 2) He doesn’t seem to be the type of leader who’s going to really lead the team when they need it most (small sample size I know), and 3) With a steady influx of top QB talent in just about every recruiting class, I feel like it will be difficult for Peters to compete and win the position going forward.
|06/06/2018 - 6:07pm||Anyone who assumes we’ll…||
Anyone who assumes we’ll beat ND, MSU, OSU, PSU, or Wisconsin is either utterly clueless or hopelessly delusional about the reality of Michigan football right now. At this point in the year, there is ZERO reason to expect wins in any of those games. There just isn’t. You can HOPE we win all day but to EXPECT a win in any of them is just absurd until proven otherwise.
As far as the rest of the schedule, um, have you watched Michigan football since Lloyd’s last season? Indiana takes it to us virtually every year and we need a miracle to escape with a win. Nebraska won’t be a cakewalk either with Scott Frost at the helm. And Northwestern won 10 games last year man. They’re no pushover.
And it’s not like our defense gets many take aways. We may be a top 10 unit but we were 87th in takeaways per game last year. That’s hardly anything to rely on for our defense outscoring opponents.
Until this offense demonstrates on game days that they’re actually capable of executing the offense, we have zero evidence based reasons to expect any sort of big time wins.
The first three years I expected the players to be able to execute simply because Jim Harbaugh and his coaching reputation and prowess. But at this point, I expect nothing and will require proof before I will believe and proclaim our greatness or winning capability.
|06/06/2018 - 5:47pm||Lol. You know, you’re…||
Lol. You know, you’re probably right. Those darn Bo glasses derailed the whole offense. Haha
|06/06/2018 - 5:43pm||Buckeyes are just...the…||
Buckeyes are just...the worst. In fact, he while state’s terrible.
|06/06/2018 - 5:41pm||He needs to beat Ohio…||
He needs to beat Ohio frickin State this year....that’s what he needs to do. That’s far more important than everything else.
|06/06/2018 - 5:39pm||Other teams have found ways…||
Other teams have found ways to beat OSU without having equal talent. And yet Michigan can’t figure it out to save their life. If Dantonio can figure out how to make a bunch of 3 Star kids beat OSU and win conference titles, then there’s no excuse for Harbaugh to not be able to do the same if not more with the vastly superior talent pool he has access to year after year.
Man everyone ALWAYS wants to point and say “How were we supposed to win with a third string QB??” Uh because that 3rd string QB is a scholarship QB brought in by Harbaugh and had spent 2-3 years being coached up and developed into a better player than when he came in. So excuse some of us if we’re not exactly impressed that a scholarship QB looks THAT BAD after spending multiple years in the program under the QB guru. Sure he was third string....by the END OF THE SEASON. He was 2nd string for the first half! And what does that say about the coaching staff’s ability to develop a capable QB when not one of the three QBs on the depth chart were capable of running the offense??
Simply saying “well he was third string” is like saying “well the house collapsed because the foundation wasn’t built right...” but no one bothers to ask why the foundation wasn’t built right or what the construction crew did that was either wrong or to cut corners.
O’Korn was second/third string and no good, and the other two QBs weren’t much better. That’s the “what” of the equation. But why does no one bother to ask “why”? WHY were zero QBs capable of running the offense they’d been in for multiple years? WHY were zero QBs able to properly read the defense? WHY were zero QBs able to hit open receivers?
Problem is this, once you start getting into the “why” of a problem, it will inevitably lead to fault with the coaches but that’s a no no around here. And sure, you’re going to miss on a QB everyone now and then. Happens all the time at schools all over. But my gosh man, when all three depth chart and scholarship QBs can’t get it done, then there’s a bigger problem beyond the statistical miss on a QB prospect.
And while I’m excited to see Shea Patterson come to Michigan, a big part of me kinda hopes that McCaffrey wins the job or some other Harbaugh recruit because we can’t keep relying on transfer QBs to run the offense. At some point, there has got to be actual development and progress at the QB position of recruited guys who’ve been in the system for multiple years. Someone other than Patterson winning the job would demonstrate that there is actually progress being made with the QBs.
|06/06/2018 - 5:16pm||That’s the thing though...I…||
That’s the thing though...I never see anyone pointing to any other game from last year as an example of great play calling and game planning other than the OSU game. If the play calling wasn’t an issue as some claim, then we should be able to point to pretty the whole season and go “see there...excellent play calling and game plan, just utterly awful execution”....and yet no one ever does. 1 good game plan doesn’t excuse the rest of the season’s lousy planning and play calling.
The offensive players just just flat out weren’t any good last year...and the offensive coaches weren’t far behind. Last year’s offensive woes were just as much a coaching problem as a player execution problem.
|06/06/2018 - 1:10pm||Yup. While we had decent run…||
Yup. While we had decent run numbers against the cupcakes on the schedule, every single decent team we faced shut down our run game completely because we couldn’t throw the ball into the ocean to save our lives. The sieve on the o-line and the epic failure of the coaches to get any QB ready to play all year is what shut down what run game we did have. One dimensional teams are never successful against quality competition.
|06/06/2018 - 12:57pm||Oh thank god. We finally got…||
Oh thank god. We finally got back to national prominence and I’m not sure we could’ve survived losing Beilein. With the class he’s bringing in and the guys coming back, this is going to be a great team to watch for years to come.
|06/06/2018 - 12:14pm||I posted on here a little…||
I posted on here a little while back that out of the top 10-15 in-state recruits 247 only had us pegged for 1-2 of them. So while this is not surprising, it does NOT bode well for Michigan recruiting. Especially since we whiffed on every top O-Line recruit last year.
|06/01/2018 - 10:13am||I think the implication here||
I think the implication here is that all tackles have the physical capabilities to move inside and play guard while not all guards have the physical capabilities to move outside and play tackle.
Assuming this is the case, the best possible solution would be to recruit all highly talented true tackles and put the best ones on the outside at the actual tackle positions and the others move inside.
But I'm not OP so obviously this is just a guess
|06/01/2018 - 10:07am||I understand what you're||
I understand what you're saying and I to some extent I agree. Our defense was already really good before Don Brown got here. Whereas the O-Line is a disaster and needs serious reconstruction and development.
That being said, I still think it's a bit too soon to make this statement simply because we haven't seen how Warinner's O-Lines are going to perform. If he turns this debacle around this season and we start dominating in the trenches, then I will 100% agree with you.
|06/01/2018 - 10:03am||Agree||
The parts of the team that these guys coach is always rock solid if not elite. By far some of the best coaching hires by Harbaugh. Plus they're fantastic recruiters too!
|05/17/2018 - 4:37pm||Lloyd was the one who pushed||
Lloyd was the one who pushed RR into the face of the AD and said "hire him!" Lloyd did this in order to spite Les Miles with whom he had a personal grudge. Then Lloyd basically told all the talented upper class players they'd be better off if they left and gave them all an unconditional transfer out...leaving RR with the likes of Nick Sheridan and Steven Threet *shudder*
|05/17/2018 - 4:31pm||Yeah, read some of the stuff||
Yeah, read some of the stuff in John U Bacon's book that detailed Carr's retirement and the hiring of RR. It's some scathing stuff that Lloyd did to the program and how the university was undermining RR from day 1 basically.
His defenses (or complete lack there of) will always be his achilles heel but man he got screwed by UM. I legit feel sorry for the guy.
|05/17/2018 - 4:28pm||This is what people don't||
This is what people don't seem to understand. It should NOT be okay that we're headed into Harbaugh's 4th season as HC and have to rely on a talented transfer at QB because no one one on the roster has been developed enough to handle the position.
If Shea ends up winning the starting job, it will NOT be a good reflection on the offensive staff and Harbaugh's ability to develop QBs.
|05/17/2018 - 4:25pm||I might replace the word||
I might replace the word "offensive" with "coaching". I mean let's face it, the defense is Don Brown's creation.
|05/17/2018 - 4:23pm||I personally couldn't care||
I personally couldn't care less what Harbaught did in the NFL. None of it helps Michigan football win games. Same to be said for what he did at Stanford, well 1 season at Stanford anyways.
The only thing that matters is what has he been able to do at Michigan. SO FAR it's 1-5 against rivals, 1-2 in bowl games, 0 conference championships, 0 top 25 road wins.
That is NOT anything to boast about.
Until Harbaugh proves otherwise, I don't see how anyone with their head on straight would rank him higher than Urban, Dantonio, or Franklin. All three have far greater accomplishments under their belts than he does. This isn't opinion, or hating, it's just objective fact in raw numbers.
|05/17/2018 - 4:15pm||"Harbaught can easily do both||
"Harbaught can easily do both of those things this year"
Yes he can. But it's far from a guarantee and could legitamitely not happen. I think the main point of OP is that JH so far isn't as great as everyone made him out to be and won't be considered to be a great coach until the results start showing on the field. If/When that happens, then sure he'll be a great coach. Until then, he's just a bit above average.
But heck, we COULD have beaten OSU back in 2016 and according to the logic of a lot of posters we should have because we were loaded with seniors. We also COULD have been them last year. Neither games were blowouts and we were in them for the majority of the game. But it's the monkey we can't get off our backs. It's these sort of failings that start to wear down your confidence because we always seem to choke at the last minute rather than finding ways to win.
This is what Harbaugh needs to prove he can overcome.
|05/17/2018 - 4:07pm||"Most Ohioans I know are||
"Most Ohioans I know are kind, thoughtful people..."
|05/17/2018 - 4:04pm||Yes that call was garbage.||
Yes that call was garbage. But we shouldn't have thrown two interceptions and fumbled the ball. We pissed that game away entirely on our own and put ourselves into the position of being at the mercy of OSU refs....and when has that EVER gone our way?
|05/17/2018 - 4:02pm||And THIS is what's wrong with||
And THIS is what's wrong with a large portion of this fanbase.
|05/17/2018 - 3:53pm||Which is completely||
Which is completely ridiculous because the heisman is supposed to be about the best individual player, not the best team performance. The NC is the trophey given out for the best team. Heisman should only take individual's stats into account. Otherwise what's the point?
|05/17/2018 - 3:48pm||I think this is slightly off||
I think this is slightly off the mark. We don't choke in everything, we eat cupcakes for breakfast all day. We only choke in the biggest, most important moments...you know, when it matters most.
|05/17/2018 - 3:44pm||Exactly. If we're not beating||
Exactly. If we're not beating our rivals and winning conference championships, then we're not great. Simple as that. We might be "pretty good" or "above average", but "great"? Nope. Not at all.
|05/17/2018 - 3:42pm||I feel like he's probalby||
I feel like he's probalby referring to most of the fans who participate in online discussion boards. It's all "We're the best because Michigan and JH" rather than "we've been mediocre for a LONG TIME, better wait and see an improved team before shouting how great we're going to be".
|05/17/2018 - 3:39pm||I agree. For the team who||
I agree. For the team who claims to be the "Maize and Blue", we have a serious lack of maize going on. Lose the white away uniforms (everyone has white away uinforms) and rock on with the maize!
|05/17/2018 - 2:37pm||It's just a simple fun game||
It's just a simple fun game to help get through the off-season. Why all the hate?
|05/17/2018 - 2:36pm||Oh!! What is this from!? It's||
Oh!! What is this from!? It's from a movie or show isn't it?
|05/17/2018 - 2:33pm||Lol I saw the whole 31-0||
Lol I saw the whole 31-0 somehwere else earlier today but I didn't get the reference until just now.
I like it haha.
|05/17/2018 - 2:31pm||Idk. Granted I've only been||
Idk. Granted I've only been playing for a day, but it looks like most teams have already lost. If this trend continues, then it shouldn't be too long before Nebraska conquers all.
|05/17/2018 - 12:19pm||Hopefully once one game ends||
Hopefully once one game ends they start up a new one. I could play this all year round to be honest.
|05/16/2018 - 6:50pm||Me and just about every||
Me and just about every sports writer I’ve ever read on games from last year. Lots of people were consistently questioning the play calling throughout the season. And let’s not try to pretend that the team looked ready to go in that bowl game.
Yes the OSU game plan was great and we should have won. But that’s the only game I ever hear anyone ever use as an example from last year. Where are all these other games where we had such a fantastic game plan and just suffered from unbelievably bad QB play?
I’m just saying I think there’s a reason JH changed up the offensive staff so much in the off-season...
|05/16/2018 - 6:45pm||Just curious, what makes you||
Just curious, what makes you say that he checked out for the first half of last fall?
|05/16/2018 - 4:40pm||I'm sorry but when Warinner||
I'm sorry but when Warinner says that the offensive line plays, calls, reads, and overall schemes were so complicated that even HE wasn't sure what was supposed to happen, I tend to belive him. And the evidence on the field from every game except one game from last year corroborates this statement. Sure we had a great game plan for one game out of the season...that doesn't resolve the entire rest of the season from it's awfulness.
|05/16/2018 - 4:36pm||Serious question then...
Serious question then...
If last year's offensive coaching staff was so prolific, as some seem to believe, then why on earth did we only see ONE GAME that looked like they had a competent offensive game plan prepared??
I'm sorry 1 game out of an entire season of garbage doesn't redeem this offensive staff.
|05/16/2018 - 4:30pm||My thoughts exactly||
My thoughts exactly
|05/10/2018 - 2:37pm||Here here!||
|05/10/2018 - 10:53am||I still remember the spring||
I still remember the spring game when Walker first got on campus and broke some powerful, smashing runs in that game. My buddy and I were like "Dang man! That kid's gonna be special."
Do we know what's been keeping him from seeing the field? Injury? Grades? Effort? etc.
|05/01/2018 - 2:30pm||They MIGHT end up getting||
They MIGHT end up getting more coaching and development attention, but that clearly does NOT automatically translate to more NFL drafts. If this were the case, then we'd be seeing teams like Iowa, Illinois, Eastern, Western, Central, and every other small school / "lesser" team you can think of sending large swaths of players to the NFL every year. But this just flat out doesn't happen. These sorts of teams send players to the NFL sure, but no where near the rate that the top schools with all the blue chip recruits do.
This holds true in basketball too. The whole "1 and done" thing is proof of that. The top rated talent plays 1-2 years in CBB and then it's off to the NBA. Everyone else has to slog through 4 years of college and then HOPE to be good enough to get called.
I think this is primarily due to the simple fact that recruiting ranking aren't that far off the mark. The kids with a higher ceiling / more talent are rated higher. And the NFL teams want to draft the best players possible, which usually tends to coincide with the college kids who had the highest ceiling coming out of high school. It doesn't ALWAYS work this way as there are obviously plenty of examples of 5* kids going bust either in college or after being drafter. But the trend line holds this belief.
|05/01/2018 - 11:44am||Exactly. We've been our own||
Exactly. We've been our own worst enemy for a LONG time. I'm ready for that to stop lol. Hopefully 2018 is the year.
|05/01/2018 - 10:22am||Yes||
As of now, based on 247, we're out of the running for all but 1 of the top 10 players in the state. Now I'm not sure if we've offered all top 10 in-state players scholarships yet or not....but we definitely aren't controlling the talent in our own backyard. Hopefully we'll be able to backfill these losses with out of state guys but that's usually a more difficult task than in-state guys.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens this fall.
|05/01/2018 - 10:16am||MSU Actually||
247 actually has Dobbs a heavy favorite for MSU right now and doesn't even have Michigan in the top 5 (https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?Sta…).
So far, we've lost on 3 of the top 5 in state recruits for 2019. If things don't change, we'll only manage 1 of the top 5 in-state players. Not exactly off to a roaring start for in-state talent.
|05/01/2018 - 10:02am||Well that's what comes from||
Well that's what comes from years of poor O-line play and poor offense in general. If Harbaugh can just figure out what on earth the problems are, this should plug the remaining holes in our recruiting ability.
Just look at our defense. It's been fantastic every year under Harbaugh...and that success on the field has lead to top quality defensive recruits. Get the offense to play at the same level as the defense and we'll see the recruits follow.
|05/01/2018 - 9:57am||Yeah the teams that usually||
Yeah the teams that usually can't get the top rated players are the ones who say that stars and rankings don't matter at all...and yet the top teams in the country always go after the 5 and 4 star guys and usually get them. Sorry but I believe that people like Saban, Meyer, Dabo, etc. know more about recruiting then the fan bases. There's a reason that top teams don't pick up a bunch of low-ranked kids. To try and say that recruiting rankings are all bogus is just denial when your team isn't able to recruit top talent.
To be fair to Harbaugh, his first two recruiting classes were pretty amazing. Top 5? Top 10 for sure. But last year's debacle really killed our recruiting class. The first two seasons I believe were recruited based on Harbaugh's reputation and kids were excited. Last year, the honeymoon phase really started to wear off and it appears that recruits started looking at the results on the field more than the coach's name and reputation and thus we lost those top guys that had been verbally committed.
Hopefully (and it so far appears that it's on track to do so) this next class will be much stronger. If we can put together a quality season this year, we should be able to hold onto the recruit commitments....can't afford another repeat of last year though :/ It takes consistently recruiting top classes in order to be able to "reload" rather than rebuild every couple of years, especially when you account for attrition.
Whether you want to hear it or not, it does speak volumes as to the power (or lack there of) of our offensive recruiting prowess when we have almost no shot at the top two O-Linemen in our own backyard. It just compounds the difficulty of getting top O-Linemen cause now you have to get them from out of state, which is almost always more difficult.
What we need is a rock solid year or two on the o-line with the players we have to demonstrate to future recruits that it's worth their time to come and play here. We've already done that on defense, so obviously it's possible. Just have to figure out what the hangups have been. Hopefully the offseason coaching changes will fix these issues. I mean Warriner's got a pretty mean reputation for O-line, doesn't he?