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01/18/2019 - 8:01pm You know Lloyd. He will…

You know Lloyd. He will choke the game with Chris Howard and it will get nervously within 13 in the 4th Q

01/18/2019 - 8:00pm Founder and the reason they…

Founder and the reason they had to put term limits on the presidency of it.

01/18/2019 - 5:01pm Oops. Typo. One of those was…

Oops. Typo. One of those was '75

01/18/2019 - 5:00pm I remember the Toussaint…

Shoulda mentioned the Toussaint injury. Only moment of cloudiness all game. Eric got an incredible photo of Hoke holding Fitz's helmet.

01/18/2019 - 4:59pm Don't pay too much attention…

Don't pay too much attention to the seeding, which had to underrate the older teams to not have this be a Bo vs Yost bowl. That should come out in the games.

01/18/2019 - 4:32pm I think the 1996 team had a…

I think the 1996 team had a lot of talent going to waste with bad coaching. Fred Jackson should not have been made offensive coordinator, . I was born just a month after you but I remember it well.

I did a lot of eyeballing to seed the teams, but most of them I knew something about already. I didn't want the seeding to match what I thought were the best teams. More like how they would be seeded if you didn't know much about them and were basing it on wins and conference championships.

01/14/2019 - 2:50pm We definitely plan to get…

We definitely plan to get Rick Leach on so I imagine those years will get talked about. But our next one is 1999.

01/14/2019 - 2:47pm me too. it's a work in…

me too. it's a work in progress. I had to re-record large segments of my voice. 

01/13/2019 - 11:24am at first i panicked that…

at first i panicked that this was in my graphic. Nope: Brian's mistake not mine whew.

01/13/2019 - 9:45am I post them on my twitter…

I post them on my twitter before games if you want to follow me at @Misopogon

01/13/2019 - 9:11am Comments open again. Sorry-…

Comments open again. Sorry--there was a setting on accidentally.

01/12/2019 - 11:21am The optics are awful. It…

The optics are awful. It seems within the gymnastics community she was seen as a fall guy for USA Gymnastics--she's the person who hired the investigator when she first heard about Nassar, and the victims, from what I've been told by a woman who follows gymnastics, don't consider her one of the people who stood aside.

That said, WTF Michigan? You are a college gymnastics program in the State of Michigan, just fired your coach for sleeping with a student, and tried to sneak this in without anybody noticing?!? It may be fine, but TRANSPARENCY is the difference between people giving you a chance to show it's fine and people going WHAT ARE YOU DOING? Since they've chosen the latter and the Daily had to break the story they're now going to have to take a very deserved lap through the shit. It's like they learn nothing!

01/12/2019 - 11:17am mgowill locked it and…

mgowill locked it and notified me. Our policy with stuff like this is leave it unless the comments are so out of hand and out of whack with reality that we need to remove comments and leave the thread, but he's still getting his bearings and did the right thing by erring to safety and contacting me. Locked =/= taken down.

01/08/2019 - 11:19pm This Week's Michigan Podcast…

This Week's Michigan Podcast

Mods keep an eye out for this. Wannabe podcaster keeps pretending to be a reader to use our site for free advertising.

01/08/2019 - 6:27pm I edited the title to be…

I edited the title to be more informative but cryptic Thee Matty D tweets are going to be ambiguous by design

01/08/2019 - 5:12pm I don't know they're weird…

I don't know they're weird. Sometimes an hour after it's in the feed, sometimes a day. It's almost 24 hours now.

01/07/2019 - 9:18pm This one too. I know I…


This one too. I know I invited some vitriol with how I wrote the article but anyone hoping a guy dies for taking a better job because of football rivalry doesn't have their priorities right. Comment deleted, user sent to Bolivia.

01/07/2019 - 3:31pm You're thinking of Greg…

You're thinking of Greg Robinson. Mattison liked to rush 5.

01/02/2019 - 10:51am Rumor source?

Rumor source?

01/02/2019 - 10:43am I edited it because I wasn't…

I edited it because I wasn't interested in going another 5 rounds with Henson. I've said before why Henson info is tricky but I'll repeat it here because it goes to how to moderate threads from him. There are some former players who, like the rest of the fanbase, will get frustrated with the program and want to bitch. But they also have some access to the program and get to know things that go on in Schembechler Hall, and a few are known to blow off steam by blasting it out to an email list of media who cover Michigan. They don't bother to BCC so I can see everyone else on the "To:" line that it goes to, and Henson is one of them.


Henson will sometimes take stuff from those email blasts and run with them. He's also got no concept of grace or legit peer review, so when people question him or the context he gets crazy defensive and turns into a jackass.

The public gets so little from inside the program that context is lost when they do hear a thing. This is not about Nordin but other stories I've gotten: If a player gets into a fight with Harbaugh and leaves practice, has he left the team? If Harbaugh tells him to clean out his locker, is he off the team? Not necessarily; in fact often that stuff gets resolved. A common story is the player quits, calls his parents to say he's coming home, and the parents say "Not without a degree you're not!" I'd wager half of all college players have made up their mind to transfer at some point.

From our perspective, attacking him on the board--even if it's a user and not one of us--usually results in a long email chain (if not a public twitter fight) about sources and shit because Gregg doesn't know the difference between someone on our message board posting a thing and us posting a thing.

Sometimes it's best to just delete the thread and that was probably the right call. Other times i might edit the thread to try to add some context. In this case I got the same email with the same rumor, and since there was some truth to it (as far as I knew) I didn't want to go 9 rounds on sourcing.

01/02/2019 - 10:09am FWIW we're waiting for…

FWIW we're waiting for confirmation from Gentry or the program before posting it.

12/30/2018 - 1:35pm Sure.
FWIW the Michigan one…


12/30/2018 - 12:38pm It changes every few minutes…

It changes every few minutes to protect their IP addresses.

12/30/2018 - 11:08am I left it up yesterday but I…

I left it up yesterday but I guessed it would get locked or taken down eventually because it was inviting too many internet tough guys to flex their opinions about Michigan players who didn't play in the bowl games, and those have been turning poisonous. Don't know who took it down but I'm not that surprised.

12/30/2018 - 11:06am Curious
See guidelines for…


See guidelines for naming your posts

12/29/2018 - 5:29pm $150k to sign and another …

$150k to sign and another $100k or so while they're playing is about what a 4-star will get under the table at Georgia right now. It seems reasonable, if you're already paying them more than that in tuition and room and board and a stipend, to just pay them market rate in return for a contract to play every game they can. Holdouts will still occur but I think not breaching an actual contract would be a strong incentive to not skip the bowl games for most. It's common practice in the SEC to use cash to get a guy to play when he's hurt, and I imagine they've paid guys to play in bowls. 

12/27/2018 - 1:24pm Waldroup is in there. He's…

Waldroup is in there. He's between Lawrence Marshall and Deron Irving-Bey in the DT rankings with a 4.09, which grade is entirely based on being the #25 offensive guard to Tom Lemming.

12/27/2018 - 12:50pm I don't understand how the…

I don't understand how the three star Mafia imagines Michigan's recruiting. Did they think Michigan is not trying to get the best players they can?

There are parts of the argument that are worth having and picking through but it's hard to do that when there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal here. Saying Michigan should recruit like Alabama is like saying Michigan win football games.

Maybe if we go through that list:

Devin Gil: heady player they were hoping could gain a lot of weight and also a better shot at landing Devin Bush, whom the staff recruited on a Rashan Gary level. Justifiable take unless it's a year when you have very few spots for that position.

Kingston Davis: everyone thought he was going to be a fullback and a good one but he wanted to play running back. Justifiable take most years because most guys like that will eventually move to their better position.

Stephen Spanellis: good example of the type of offensive lineman you should take every year. Has been productive in limited snaps and not a flight risk. 

Elysee M-bem Bosse: run stuffing type they took when other options went off the board. Only justifiable in that situation, would prefer someone with more upside.

Nate Johnson: Michigan thought they had a steal with this guy, talent was not a question. Career ended by off-field issues and Michigan added three guys like him in this class. Justifiable.

Eddie McDoom: speed and running ability were evident, staff thought they could coach him up into a major threat but he bailed before they could. Very justifiable recruitment: four-star level talent who immediately added value with high-upside

Kurt Taylor: was very determined to be in the class and Michigan made it clear they only would offer a scholarship in the end if they missed on other top targets and lost a running back in the class. That he did come was an indictment of the class, but at that point might as well use the scholarship on a 3rd down back and glue guy since you do need those. Michigan got Tru to be that so Taylor was processed. 

Phillip Paea: High-upside OL/DL prospect. Good kind of player to fill the back end of your class with because he could be a star and also gives you depth at multiple positions. Justifiable any year

Joel Honigford: the staff preferred kai-leon Herbert but once Herbert was gone they were happy to have Honigford. As I pointed out in this thread later down, you are more likely to get a great player out of a developer with good bend and intelligence than a hefty 300-pounder with a 4th star. Take most years.

J'Marick Woods: won a spot on the two-deep almost immediately so it's pretty hard to argue another prospect they could have gone after instead of sticking to this satellite camp commit would have done better. Take most years: smarts in a safety is underrated.

Andrew Steuber: should have been a four star. This is a guy the staff saw in a camp setting and wanted immediately, and as soon as they could they told anybody who would listen that this was one of their best ol prospects in years. Seems on track to make good on that assessment. If you can get a guy like this every year you will have a very good offensive line.

There is quite a range of players in that list. Without hindsight it's hard to see how many of them could have been replaced with better players. There are lessons you can learn to make better recruiting decisions in the future, for example guys with off-field issues you can hide at Michigan State are not worth the scholarship offer for Michigan, since when they screw up you are going to lose them. If Michigan could beat Ohio State and go to the playoffs I think they would get more interest and have more options, but I also think they are doing a really good job of recruiting with what they have. They are certainly much better at turning up talent in their own evaluations than previous Michigan coaches.

12/26/2018 - 1:39pm I thought about a useful/not…

I thought about a useful/not useful split other than the NFL Draft, because the NFL is not a solid basis for how valuable a player was at Michigan. Jason Horn was an All-American and wasn't drafted. Jarrett Irons, Desmond Morgan, Roy Roundtree, Channing Stribling, Shawn Lazarus, Matt Lentz, Ben Braden, Steve Morrison, Tae Odoms, Thomas Gordon, Lawrence Reid, Grant Bowman, Matt Godin, Scott Dreisbach, JT Floyd, Reuben Riley, Troy Woolfolk, Mark Ortmann...all those guys were 3-stars who weren't drafted but if I could extend a scholarship to any of those guys again I definitely would. On the other hand some of our five-stars got drafted because they were five-star talents and yet did nothing in the NFL.

I agree it's not the ratio you want, but there are three-stars and there are underrated players, and I think this class has a lot of the latter. I'd take a David Ojabo over a guy like Tom Strobel, who got four stars by being closer to his ceiling. The staff thought Erick All was one of the top TEs on their board. Karsen Barnhart was just on the edge of four stars and coaches in the state like him a lot more than that "5-star" from Belleville that Michigan State got. Quinten Johnson appears to be a real find--the sites just didn't catch up. And anybody who say Mike Sainristil came away thinking this guy would be going to Ohio State if he was born in the Midwest. And while I don't see Devin Bush in Charles Thomas, the guys who thought Devin Bush was the best LB in his class three years ago say they see Devin Bush in Charles Thomas so that's nice.

I think this class in particular has a lot more of those late risers who didn't quite get to four stars. They are technically 3-stars but I show them as 3.5-stars and include their composite star ratings in order to show those aren't guys Michigan was just raiding from MAC schools because Bama took all the blue chips.

Contrast that with the 2011 class, which was thrown together at the last minute after Hoke was hired and included a bunch of fliers. The successful three-stars from that class:

  • Desmond Morgan: QB turned LB who started 4 years but wasn't drafted.
  • Frank Clark--who was downrated for off-field issues but became an NFL-caliber DE and didn't get booted until the end of his career
  • Thomas Rawls, who transferred before he did much good here because the same staff was playing Derrick Green over him.
  • Jack Miller, who started a season at C and wasn't very good.
  • Raymon Taylor, who was a meh starter at CB in an era that needed bodies

The other three-stars in that class: Russell Bellomy, Tony Posada, Chris Rock, Tamani Carter, Greg Brown, Keith Heitzman, Chris Barnett, Kellen Jones, Antonio Poole, Delonte Hollowell, Christian Bryant

There's a big difference between "Sure, might as well keep Antonio Poole in the class since we need bodies and maybe he'll work out," and "This Amauri Pesek-Hickson guy: this dude can BALL, how has nobody discovered him yet?"

12/26/2018 - 12:56pm Your basis for reinstatement…

Your basis for reinstatement is you're too easily mistaken for Maizen? Maybe that's not the best defense?

If it was Will who banned you talk to Will. I'm not going through your entire posting history to guess what did it.

12/26/2018 - 12:51pm JBB



12/26/2018 - 10:51am We're going to start…

We're going to start publishing the comment that got users banned in the mod sticky. It won't stop all of the people who get banned for responding "You're a troll!!! I'm right and you're wrong!!!" at the first person to disagree with them from thinking it was their opinion, not their disposition, that got them banned, but hopefully the greater transparency will help make modding seem less arbitrary.

12/26/2018 - 10:33am It wasn't applicable to the…

It wasn't applicable to the defense article but while playing with the ht/wt viz I noticed NONE of Michigan's OL recruits who were 300+ pounds when they arrived have made it to the NFL.

That will change in the next few years since Ruiz, Onwenu and Bosch are all future pros, but it's more evidence that OL recruiting tends to overrate large high schoolers who dominate because they have 100 pounds on the kids opposite them, and underrate athleticism and overall dimensions that turn into NFL linemen, especially at tackle. I advocate taking a 6'7" tight end who is good at basketball every year.


12/26/2018 - 10:05am When Brian ported the site…

When Brian ported the site from blogspot to MGoBlog 2.0 we got to add signatures. I had this plastic helmet that I added "2008" and a block M to wear to a game that year (because of all the construction above us) so I took a phone photo of the helmet sitting on the trunk on my old car and added the signature "This team is under construction. We thank you for your patience."

12/25/2018 - 2:10pm The ability to edit the…

The ability to edit the titles of message board threads.

12/23/2018 - 9:30am For security reasons we don…

For security reasons we don't have that feature (mod powers are actually pretty limited because that's an easy gateway).

The new members feed is a tab I keep open and have to flush daily. You can tell pretty easily which are spambots, which are trolls, and which are actual new users.

modding people.JPG

12/23/2018 - 9:26am I like this account name…

I like this account name better.

12/22/2018 - 10:57pm You get into these cycles of…

You get into these cycles of young guys and no guys. Same thing happened to Paterno his last decade. For Michigan we got nobody out of 2010 and that compounded things when 2011 was a transition year.

So now Hoke has to get 11 guys in 2013-'14, and in the meantime he's got Mealer at C in 2012 and started a true freshman Cole in 2014. The line is young and sucks for a few years so OL recruiting falls back AND the one good guy they got in 2014 is out of eligibility for 2018, when the 2012s and 13s were all gone and no 14s and 15s who could play meant Michigan had a true sophomore and two true juniors on the interior and was trying to decide whether to live with some questionable dudes or freshmen outside. In a year from now Bredeson and Onwenu and maybe Ruiz will be gone and the 2018 class was damaged by a bad season, so we have to hope these 2019s and maybe a 2020 can play.

It's not a direct cause and effect thing. But it's very hard to have a consistently good OL and missing out on a class means missing out on crucial opportunities and having to fill in later with younger players. Sometimes you get some luck and bust the cycle. Michigan did not get enough good luck (eg Glasgow) to offset the bad (Pace, Fox, and Newsome injuries) 

12/22/2018 - 2:28pm The grief this title has…

The grief this title has brought my mentions outweighs the joke.

12/21/2018 - 12:17pm That's a good idea.

That's a good idea.

12/21/2018 - 10:49am Thanks for the assist! I…

Thanks for the assist! I incorporated all of your suggestions except I object to the use of red.

12/20/2018 - 11:06pm Michigan hasn't had that…

Michigan hasn't had that many top-top players. Their 5-stars historically were more Top 25 than Top 5. By my reckoning M's only 4.9+ recruits since Bo were:

  1. Gary
  2. Peppers
  3. Fargas
  4. Patterson (via Ole Miss)
  5. Mallett
  6. Ricky Powers
  7. Daxton Hill
  8. Toomer
  9. Marquise Walker
  10. DPJ
  11. Brandon Graham

Four of those guys are Harbaugh's. Hoke had 1 (Peppers) in the same amount of time, and the closest Rich Rod ever came was getting strung along out of a 2008 QB by Terrelle Pryor.

12/20/2018 - 10:25pm And I was correct. In a few…

And I was correct. In a few years he and I would be going into the *print* business with HTTV 2012, and today MGoBlog has a credentialed staff, writes gamers, and has staff meetings to plan out content. And I can't even guess what the second-most traffic of any Michigan site on the internet got but it probably wasn't 13 million. By any measure except the having of beards we're the "mainstream media" now.

12/20/2018 - 12:34pm Being on the podcast takes…

Being on the podcast takes away from the time I used to spend watching more NFL but I do enjoy watching it. The play is at such a higher level that it helps me be more critical and have a better idea of what a good college player should be doing. But mostly I like to have it on and not care or pay too much attention. I like to watch with a friend and talk through it. Or my daughter and I will put on our Lions jerseys and sit on the couch and basically play watching the game.

12/19/2018 - 2:13pm "Mod"?


12/19/2018 - 10:42am I for one am not too…

I for one am not too concerned about that. Bush will delight some smart, modern thinking franchise that's building around speed but Detroit's franchise is one of the more behind the times offices.

12/19/2018 - 10:40am I shouldn't have said …

That's a very good catch that I hoped nobody would make. I shouldn't have said "Onward" for Gary. Changed editorial style without telling anybody.

12/19/2018 - 10:37am whatever, edited it to stop…

whatever, edited it to stop the comments. Bowls began as exhibitions, became non-conference games, and now that the playoff has sucked away much of the season's meaning and even mid-round NFL players are now skipping, I think they're drifting back to being exhibitions. All wins in the win totals aren't equal. Michigan once drove around Windsor picking guys up in a jalopy and taught them the American rules on the drive to ann arbor. Notre Dame counts victories over hardware stores and high schools. Florida and Georgia can't agree whether their first contest should count or if that was just some old buddies getting together and a few of them were like "let's go out back and play this game we just learned."

I shouldn't have said meaningless though.

12/19/2018 - 8:12am So now Bama has a safety.

So now Bama has a safety.

12/19/2018 - 7:51am At least this time they…

At least this time they picked up the phone