Some Perspective on a Few Things

Submitted by Space Coyote on

Long post, don't really feel like making it a diary though because it's general high-level things, not a statistical breakdown or schematic breakdown with pretty pictures.

I usually don’t post on the weekends or even as much lately, and I have my reasons for that, but I figured Brian trying to take another swipe at me and mock me on twitter because of a thread of tweets I made at halftime yesterday made it worthy in this instance, so here’s some of my thoughts on appropriate perspective for these players, this team, and this program going forward.

1.      Peters played well, but keep his performance in perspective

This got some support and some major pushback on the twitter. I get people are excited for his performance. I get that it’s a confirmation of many people’s assertion that it was time to give him a shot. I actually agree that it was time to give him a shot (mostly because I think you want to know a little bit about what you have going into next year, and you aren’t taking poorly playing JOK into next year, a perspective a lot of folks have had). And at least until Speight comes back (which I don’t expect to be this year, regardless of the timeline that’s been thrown out there, if only because it’s not worth the re-injury risk and it’s hard to believe he would trust everything so quickly after getting hurt), Peters will be and should be the starter.

But it was a single game against Rutgers. Now Rutgers pass defense is actually decent this year, especially considering how bad they are at rushing the QB. Their run defense… not so much. But also keep in mind that Rutgers didn’t have really any film on Peters. Is that to say that the offense drastically changes their scheme from JOK to Peters? Absolutely not, the basic tenets of the offense remain. However, there are certainly things Peters does better and things he does worse than JOK. There are certain things the coaches will lean on in certain situations that differ from the two QBs, based on their performance in practice. These tendencies aren’t on film. These strengths and weaknesses also aren’t on film for Peters, and as more of them to get shown on film, expect defenses to adjust their approach based on what they learn. In the meantime, many DCs change their approach because of that uncertainty. They either think “backup QB: ATTACK”, or “I didn’t scout this guy let’s just play our base because it’s what we do best”. This isn’t to say that switching to the backup or unscouted guy will is the correct decision for teams, sometimes the backup is the worse option, it’s just stating that things will get harder for Peters.

I think some people really question this idea. So to give some perspective I’ll talk about the difference from Speight to JOK. When I watch film on Speight, I see a guy that can read leverage and anticipate guys breaking open vs man coverage and get the ball out on time. What I also see is a guy that can hesitate if he doesn’t diagnose the coverage immediately and I see a guy that generally gets sped up, particularly with interior pressures. So I would run more zone concepts vs him with strategically timed 5 and 6 man pressures. Against JOK I would not do that. I see a guy that locks in on his first option but when that guy is open due to scheme, he can hit them. But I see a guy that hesitates to throw a guy until he is open, and I see a guy that perceives pressure based on threat alone. So I would play tight man coverage because that limits just how open guys will get. I would also never blitz more than 5 defenders, I’d keep a rat in the hole to defend his legs and take away short/intermediate crossers, and watch him bug out whether pressure got home or not. The schemes are mostly the same for Michigan from a high level, but how I defend them changes. The same can likely be said for Peters, who saw a lot of man coverage early and killed it and then almost threw a pick 6 against a zone coverage that he failed to read (and his receiver did). In general, Peters also mostly got away with hitting his first read; on the plus side his timing of getting the ball out looked better than JOK's did, which is a good sign.

As a backup, there is some freedom. There are lower expectations, so you don’t really have to be nervous, you’re the backup after all. Well now Peters has got the pressure of being the starter. Now he has the focus of the scouting report. I’m glad people are excited for him. But please don’t go anointing him the savior yet like this fan base has done to so many players before. That’s only additional pressure on him. And then don’t turn on him once he doesn’t meet your expectations, once he struggles and perhaps even looks like JOK did a few times. Don’t turn on him and trash him and trash the program and say “we’re screwed unless McCaffrey is awesome” that this fan base seems to love to do. Let him grow, let him learn, let him hit those bumps and keep supporting him. Those bumps will come, things are going to get harder.

Remember how JOK looked better than Speight for all of part of a game and people got high and mighty about how now the offense was fixed because JOK was great. Who still thinks the offense was better off in any other game besides Purdue with JOK than Michigan would have been with Speight? And now people are acting like JOK is a bad person because of it (and before people say, "only a few idiots are doing that".... look around this blog from last week). Again, I’m not saying turning to Peters is the wrong decision, I don’t think it is. But also understand the coaches do have more perspective and there likely are reasons why it took this long.

This is the perspective I was asking for in the thread of tweets that got called out by some, including Brian. I’ll be interested to see how Brian plays the “perspective” card after throwing shade out on Saturday.

2.      The Offensive Line is Improving, and Will Continue To

The OL is doing much better run blocking. Their technique is improving, they are ID’ing guys better, and now they are moving people because they are more confident in what they are doing and how they need to do it. The TEs are still mostly young and a bit undersized, but their overall technique is night and day from where it was vs UF, where they were a huge weaknesses. Their improvement may be the biggest reason the run game is clicking now. It’s still far from perfect, but it keeps on improving.

It’s hard to take much in pass pro from Rutgers, because they aren’t good at pressuring the QB. But neither were some of the earlier teams Michigan faced, so there is that. Pass pro is really a part where all guys need to be on the same page, and at least it generally looks like that part is getting better. Far fewer free pressures, even when their technique is off or they are late to their assignment. That at least allows a QB to get to his first read or bail out, rather than just eating sacks or throw aways.

I’ve also seen a tone of complaining about recruiting of OTs. Yeah, Michigan lost out on a few high-profile OT recruits the past couple years. That sucks. They also recruited 4 potential OTs in the last class that are currently redshirting. They have two more in the upcoming class. If you are hand-wringing because the stars aren’t good enough for you, while I agree that stars are a good general gauge, there is no worse position to rely on stars than OL. I’ve also seen a lot of people question why Bredeson hasn’t gotten run at RT. 1) He’s still a true sophomore, almost certainly the vast, vast majority of his snaps both during spring and fall were at OG, because they were trying to get him where he needed to be for this season at the position he was likely to play rather than asking him to split between multiple positions and making him a bad option for both; 2) I’ve never actually seen him take a snap on the right side of the line… I’m sure he has, and you’d expect most guys to be comfortable on either side, but some guys simply aren’t comfortable with the footwork. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if going into his JR year (or even as early as bowl practice) he started getting increased reps at LT (still don’t think that’s his best option, but it may be Michigan’s best option).

3.      People Complaining About Safeties Matched up in Coverage in the Slot

Yeah, sometimes it sucks. It’s also a part you have to live with at times as a defense, as a general scheme. People complained again about Kinnell (Michigan’s best coverage safety) getting matched up in the slot on Rutgers’s best WR. It happens. You can ask him to match up on the outside and move a CB inside, and now you’ve mitigated one threat and introduced new weaknesses. Every scheme has its strengths and weaknesses. Generally Kinnell is good at man coverage for a safety, and some of those throws were actually covered quite well (to the point that who was in coverage may not have made a significant difference while still introducing new weaknesses into the defense). Sometimes you get got. Sometimes there are better options but you’re trying to cover for all the things an offense is trying to do without knowing what they are going to try to do before the snap. That sometimes means safeties on WRs. If you love Brown’s pressure schemes, which most seem to, they quite complaining when it sometimes comes back to bite him. That’s the trade off, Michigan is going to have to deal with it or change their philosophy.

4.      Bush is Starting to Get Attacked a Bit

Dude has great instincts. McCray generally has alright instincts, limited athleticism, but is generally smart in his run fits. I’m starting to see “can’t wait for this next group of LBs to get a chance”. Look, Bush is still young. The guy trusts his instincts 100%, which makes him a missile and often leads to great plays. It often takes him out of plays, particularly when he has man coverage responsibilities on a RB. He’s been picked on multiple times now for leaving the RB because his instincts tell him the threat is elsewhere. You don’t want him slowing down and you don’t want to take away what he does so well, but sometimes there is a reason for a guy more like McCray, sometimes you need guys to play with a little more head than gut. Still a young guy that will continue to improve, but he’s been attacked a bit the last couple weeks. He’s on film now, again, don’t start trashing him because he’s getting picked on, he’s learning to play within himself.

5.      In general, things aren’t as good or as bad as they seem

I know it’s the internet, where people go to freak out. I get using the internet to vent emotions in both ways. And frankly, it’s great to be able to be extremely excited and extremely angry, and if there is a place to do that, generally “about football” is better than other, more important aspects of life. But we just spent most of the last week basically hand-wringing if this team would make a bowl game, and saying the future was bad and people were tired of “next year”. Yes, this year has been generally not great. It’s also exasperated by people putting unfair expectations on this team and then the team not meeting their expectations.

6.      I’m Sure I’ll get Called Some Sort of Derogatory Internet Name for this Post, and That's Fine.

“Sea Lion” or “Concern Trolling” or something like that. Fine, use the internet to cover for the fact that I generally believe that acting civil in discourse and disagreement is generally a better approach than acting like a douche and acting out with those types of terms generally just demonstrates your inability to act civil, even on the internet. I don’t mind people disagreeing with my opinion. It happens. Sometimes other people are right, sometimes I am. And these are opinions after all, with varying degrees of insight into the varying aspects of the topic. And before Brian goes full “quit talking about me and acting like you’re not talking about me”… again; no, I’m pretty much talking about Brian, but probably some others as well. Him sarcastically attempting to give me personality advice from one of the last people I’d take personality advice from is rich. So here I am, on his blog, writing this, because he gets upset when I’m civil about the fact that after basically 7 years of Power O being a core part of the Michigan playbook, somehow he still doesn’t know the general rules about Power O and I think it’s worthwhile to bring those things up. Or that he still struggles to separate generally basic schemes like Power O, Counter OF, and Counter Trey (let alone more subtle changes, like Dart). That’s fine, as he’s said before, (paraphrasing) “he’s just going off of his general grasp of what he knows and what anyone could possibly know”, except he’s not, the internet just happens to be littered with information that could help him learn these schemes, and at one point under Rich Rod he was excited and energetic about actually learning those things. But “manball”, ya know. Usually I don't take those types of shots at people, there's nothing inherently wrong with not knowing those differences about a game, after all. But when he repeatedly attacks me because he feels high and mighty, then alright, maybe it's worth pointing out.

Anyway, keep that in mind when people on the internet call you “internet names” or generally act like ass holes on the internet. And if this response is worse than acting civil, that wasn't made clear by the actions and comments of the owner of this blog; so I guess I figured this was the preferred approach.

Happy Sunday everyone.

CompleteLunacy

October 29th, 2017 at 3:17 PM ^

I’m at exactly the same place I was after JOK’s game vs. Purdue: cautiously optimistic. It turns out that the Purdue game was the exception. There’s reason to be excited for Peters, but I’m not about to think that we will suddenly crush OSU or Wisconsin now. I think we have a shot to beat one of them, but that was always because our D will likely keep us in those games.

I’m definitely more excited about the next two years though. The offense has struggled and looked Hokian at times early this year, but unlike Hoke we are seeing real growth in spots despite the many remaining issues (the OL and rushing attack have been much improved, in particular).

Tokyo Blue

October 29th, 2017 at 3:33 PM ^

for your insight and detailed analysis. The reason I come to this site is because of the endless amount of great info that I pick up from so many outstanding contributors. Hope you can patch things up with Brian.

UMfan21

October 29th, 2017 at 3:36 PM ^

appreciate hour contributions SC. loved points 1 through 5. I don't use Twitter, so I'm indifferent to whatever squabble happened. but, please keep sharing your insights.

UMForLife

October 29th, 2017 at 4:03 PM ^

SC- Love your insights. Please post more. It is fun to watch two heavyweights go at each other as long as it is civil. Hope you both respectfully disagree with other. Nothing wrong with that. It only helps each other improve and we get better content. Yeah. I am selfish.

Clarence Boddicker

October 29th, 2017 at 4:39 PM ^

Sure they'll be growing pains. Maybe the next few games--maybe next year if he starts over Speight. Look at Sam Darnold. He started the year as a sure-fire #1 NFL draft pick and is ending it as an interception machine heading back to USC instead of wherever the NFL holds the draft now (Chicago? Philly?).

Rather than infallibility what struck me was that Peters made the job of quarterback look easy in a way that Speight and O'Korn never do. Sure, when Speight has a clean pocket he looks good. But when he has to step up or move laterally his mechanics break down and know one is sure where the ball is going, least of all Speight. And let's face it, there's nothing O'Korn is actually doing well right now. He can't even take the snap without some mishap.

Peters cheked down, read the pocket, and delivered the ball in way that allowed his receivers to make a  play--zipped when necessary, touch when needed, the right amount of loft. He made solid reads, picked out open receivers and threw strikes. Sure it was Rutgers, but with O'Korn in the offense couldn't move the ball against Rutgers. There's an easy point of comparison there with no extrapolation of assumption required. With our defense. Peters does have to be great on most Saturdays. All he needs to do is avoid the self-inflicted wounds that have plauged the qb position far too often since Ruddddddddock left.

BlockedAccount

October 29th, 2017 at 4:43 PM ^

space- always used to look for your take on things in various threads. one of my favorite posters. seems like you're not around here much lately. I've been a poster here for about 8 years. had to get a new account recently. I miss guys like you, Magnus, now yost, etc. the group of posters here now and the behavior of the mods lately have really turned me off from this site. unfortunately, there's not much better available. anyways, here's to hoping the good ole days aren't gone forever.

OC Alum91

October 29th, 2017 at 4:47 PM ^

Space Coyote's posts about scheme and x's and o's have been among the best in this site. Site would not be same without. Look forward to continued SC posts.

umbig11

October 29th, 2017 at 7:10 PM ^

Let's not forget this too people. There was a reason Peters lagged behind. In fall camp he pretty much quit after not winning the job or the back up spot. During game weeks he still didn't put in the effort on or off the field. Once he finally knew he had a chance to play, that's when he got engaged. So, take it fwiw. I just hope he continues to improve and play well for Michigan's sake!

M-Dog

October 29th, 2017 at 8:00 PM ^

I'd like to get all preachy about character and commitment, but I imagine it's hard to stay motivated when you find yourself 3rd string behind 2 guys that have already started before.

Not an excuse, but I don't find it surprising.  

When Peters suddenly found himself as the backup behind a struggling O'Korn, it probably did cause him to kick it up a gear.

Not uncommon.  Brady, Gresie, and dozens we probably never heard about publically, all had similar soul-searching moments.

 

Gulogulo37

October 29th, 2017 at 11:21 PM ^

And as I mentioned above, his postgame interview on the field was borderline comatose. I don't just mean he seemed relaxed. He sounded downright bored talking to the reporter. I wonder how much he really gave up and how much it can really just seem that way because of his personality. I can definitely see why Harbaugh had a lot of hesitation on him.

Carcajou

October 30th, 2017 at 12:49 AM ^

To me, it looked like somebody who is on the big stage for the first time, and playing it safe, saying what he knows he should say. I thought he did a credible job following the script.

Yes, he did seem even bored. Could be his personality is always that way, or could be because Harbaugh and the coaches have had to rein him in and him follow the script, and perhaps his reluctance to do so was a reason why he didn't see more of the field earlier.

Magnus

October 30th, 2017 at 11:34 AM ^

I think that's just his personality. Not to sound too negative, but I think he might be a bit of a Jay Cutler type, a guy who never looks like he's extremely interested. Hopefully he's not as cocky as Cutler, but some guys just aren't as emotional.

umbig11

October 29th, 2017 at 7:11 PM ^

Let's not forget this too people. There was a reason Peters lagged behind. In fall camp he pretty much quit after not winning the job or the back up spot. During game weeks he still didn't put in the effort on or off the field. Once he finally knew he had a chance to play, that's when he got engaged. So, take it fwiw. I just hope he continues to improve and play well for Michigan's sake!

jsquigg

October 29th, 2017 at 7:48 PM ^

First of all, Brian's tweet was harmless and his critique of you was in part because you kept nitpicking UFRs and you were critical of the criticism of Borges not implementing bubble screens (among other things).  You would start threads to be contrarian and to criticize Brian's analysis in a passive aggressive way.  Compared to how he has lambasted others, I would say Brian has given you a long leash and has not censored your opinion on his blog.  Coaching and analysis are different realms, and you can be good at one and suck at the other.  Terminology is only meaningful in context, and I think Brian is pretty excellent at his knowledge of all of the above, regardless of what you think of him as a person, and he was right about Hoke, Borges and Brandon.  Space Coyote wouldn't have a voice without mgoblog (in terms of Michigan football), so even if you agree with him you have Brian Cook to thank because of the platform.

Space Coyote

October 29th, 2017 at 8:38 PM ^

Brian's tweet was harmless in isolation, but it wasn't made in isolation. It's been a ongoing thing for years now.

I did nitpick areas of disagreement about how he scored various plays within the UFR. I believe the comments are for commenting, and I disagreed with various aspects, and stated as much. While ultimately Hoke, Borges, and Brandon failed (and Brian was correct about that before I was), a lot of the complaints about them still ring hollow. There were many legit criticisms of them, but things like "they didn't even know how to run power" were flat out wrong. They knew basic X's and O's. That was the major issue I had. I also have no issue implementing bubble screens, I love bubble screens, my point was that the coaches were utilizing other methods to attack the flats (namely bench routes).

By the way, I only started my own thread in a rebuttle to Borges not knowing how to run a power read. I was encouraged by this blog to do so. I never attacked Brian personally, I gave an X's and O's discussion about why the play failed and why it was designed the way it was and explained why I believed his initial assessment was wrong. Then Brian started attacking me personally. That was after I had reached out to him personally and asked him if he wanted me to stop being so critical in UFRs, because, as I stated at the time, if he didn't like the consistent and detailed critiques, it was his blog and I didn't want to upset him (I wasn't expecting him to be like "yeah, stop", but if it was annoying him I would have expected him to say "yeah, chill out with it". As it was, it was driving a lot of discussion on the blog). I reached out to see if he had a problem with it and was encouraged because it was good discussion.

You are correct, I have utilized this platform to my advantage to have a football voice. And I have stated that numerous times, that I wouldn't have this platform (or my own) without Brian. I have no issue admitting that. He created a great blog. Doesn't stop the sentiment above.

Reader71

October 30th, 2017 at 6:36 AM ^

I started commenting on here regularly after I read a UFR which insisted that Borges drew up an Iso which allowed a free runner in the hole. It was insane. Brian’s never been mean about my comments (I realize people don’t like to criticize me even when I’m being a twat), but because I only really chime in when I think he’s wrong, I’m sure he thinks I’m an asshole or whatever. I think a little of that is going on here. That said, is it me or does the ball come out of Peters’ hand kinda weird? Looks like he has a sort of exaggerated wrist snap. Note: this is just a thing I noticed, it’s not to suggest that anything is wrong with Peters.

Space Coyote

October 30th, 2017 at 8:09 AM ^

I see a little of what you're talking about when he tries to put touch on the ball. Can't tell if it's his wrist action, the way the ball is coming off his hand, or his follow through, but the ball kind of flutters off his hands when he doesn't fire it in there. Not the worst thing in the world, but could lead to some inconsistencies.

To a less severe degree, it's kind of like what my father-in-law says about his golf swing, "I lose about 100 yards per drive with my terrible slice, but if I know I'll end up in the fairway every time I'll keep hitting it this way." As long as Peters can be consistent with it, it shouldn't impact him too much. If he can't, then it's something that will probably want to be corrected.

You Only Live Twice

October 29th, 2017 at 7:57 PM ^

to mend fences somehow.  I am not following whatever the source of the initial disagreement was.  You have much to offer and Brian has never used his perogative to prevent you from contributing.  

 

 

DonBrownSoda

October 29th, 2017 at 8:18 PM ^

99% of football discussion involves “general understanding” and does not break down specifics. I really appreciate the detailed X’s and O’s from SC and would like to see more. I do wonder how much time BC studies football schemes. He has mentioned a few clinics he went to years ago, curious if there is a “Continuing Education” for bloggers? At the very least he does spend a lot of time charting and reviewing which is much better than so many others to help him form his opinions. Both perspectives are appreciated.

Carcajou

October 29th, 2017 at 9:09 PM ^

Coaching and understanding football from the inside is less about understanding schemes (although that's probably the most interesting, objective thing we can debate), than about the every day realities of building and maintaining and motivating players.

That said, in my view this site was founded on rigorous statistical analysis, something not found elsewhere, and wit. Both of which are much appreciated.

ST3

October 29th, 2017 at 8:32 PM ^

I don't follow him on Twitter but I have visited his page occasionally. I am surprised by how much he tweets there considering he gets paid by page views here and he has advertisers who pay him for content on this site, not Twitter.

HollywoodHokeHogan

October 29th, 2017 at 8:52 PM ^

It’s funny because people here fawn over coaching types like SC, but get upset when people say, “trust the coaches.” This is no slight to SC, but the coaches at Michigan or any power 5 school are likely better at coaching than the guys posting on fan blogs. People shit on Pep Hamilton but he has a coaching resume that any internet expert would kill for. Those same people bust a nut when someone posts a diagram of inside zone from their high school playbook, because “this guy knows football.”

Carcajou

October 29th, 2017 at 8:54 PM ^

I for one, really appreciate someone who can articulate the coaching perspective that only some of us have, in opposition to the perspective of intelligent, passionate fans. It's an interesting dynamic, though often frustrating for both sides.Thank you.

Mack Tandonio

October 29th, 2017 at 9:13 PM ^

Don't be so emotional. Also, fishing for sympathy and pointing the finger while proclaiming yourself a bastion of reasonable, rational discourse is its own brand of douchebaggery. You know your stuff. I love your contributions. But this isn't your dojo. I've seen a lot of good contributors leave good forums... nobody remembers them. It would be a shame if you disappeared.

Mongo

October 29th, 2017 at 9:51 PM ^

you killed my buzz. Your "perspective" just blows. Hope lies in Peters' arm skills and poise, neither of which we have seen in a Michigan QB in over 10 years, Grow some gonads and get positive. You sound like a girl with PMS.

jbrandimore

October 29th, 2017 at 9:57 PM ^

Further confirmation that my decision to regard Twitter as an irredeemable cesspool of idiocy and filth is correct. Use Instagram instead. You still get the filth but not much idiocy.