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The one where he was up…

The one where he was up against Marshawn Lloyd? Yeah, I saw that. I think Corum is going to be a solid NFL back.

I'm not saying it's not…

I'm not saying it's not useful. I'm just saying that if we're going by things that are actually done on the field, then vertical jump and broad jump should go bye-bye for offensive linemen. I've literally never seen an offensive lineman jump vertically during a play. I have, however, seen lots of linemen have to run 40+ yards.

Such as...vertical jump?…

Such as...vertical jump? Broad jump? When's the last time you saw an offensive lineman have to jump in any capacity?

The 40 is actually one of the more realistic tests. No, linemen don't run 40 yards in a straight line very often...but they do on occasion if there's a big run, if they get out on a screen pass, if they're chasing down a blocked kick or an interception.

There are zero plays where an offensive lineman needs to jump - not on offense, not on defense, and not on special teams.

So sure, let's do away with some Combine drills for linemen...but not the 40.

I believe McCarthy had the…

I believe McCarthy had the fastest shuttle time of any QB in the past five Combines, just to give it a little more context.

"This team will never draft…

"This team will never draft me" ignores the surprise moves that get made every year with teams moving up, guys falling in the draft, etc. I think it also potentially causes problems down the road for if/when a team might want to acquire you in some way.

If you're standoffish at the draft and then something happens in 3 to 5 years where you're asking for a trade, you're being shopped, etc., and a GM could potentially trade for you...but you were a problem at the draft, then perhaps that carries over.

It's similar to college recruiting now. You don't want to burn bridges with a recruit in the 2023 class (*cough* Dante Moore *cough*) because he could be back on the market in 2024. That's a little more rare in the NFL with the guaranteed contracts and such, but you never know.

There was a time when Lewan…

There was a time when Lewan was projected as a defensive end and was only playing defense, so we were potentially a late high school position switch away from not being able to see a 1st round offensive tackle.

The argument is that it's…

The argument is that it's tough to repeat as the #1 guy. There have been lots of "obvious" #1 guys over the years, and it rarely works out that way.

Well, he's definitely going…

Well, he's definitely going to get drafted. It's not if, but when.

As for wear and tear, you're not drafting a running back to play until he's 34. You're drafting him to play for a few years, and then you'll replace him. Corum might break down by the time he's 29. That's fine. The team can move on to the next hot item on the RB market by then.

It's too early to know what the Combine numbers will say, so we'll see how that shakes out. Kyren Williams ran a slow 40 time, and now he's all the rage for the Rams, and I've seen some "experts" saying he could be the #1 running back for fantasy in 2024.

Tupac and Elvis Presley work…

Tupac and Elvis Presley work as janitors there just to keep a low profile.

Awww, poor guy.

Awww, poor guy.

I'm not sure if he DID…

I'm not sure if he DID change it, but I'm curious what the longevity of quarterbacks' careers will be going forward. Are other guys going to try to stick it out into their mid-40s or later like Brady did? I think Brady's diet/training/nutrition may have revolutionized in some ways how guys prepare their bodies for longevity.

I see some similarities…

I see some similarities between the games of Aaron Rodgers and Pat Mahomes. Rodgers was a good runner when he was younger, and his numbers were pretty similar. Mahomes has averaged 5.2 yards/carry in his career, and Rodgers is at 4.8, which obviously includes the days of his dwindling athleticism and less of a willingness to take off and run.

Eventually, Mahomes will become a little more of a pocket passer, and while he'll still probably be pretty spry - more so than Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, and other pocket statues of the past - he's going to have to make more things happen with his accuracy and his brain.

Not that Mahomes's legs should be taken away from him - that's part of what makes him great - but one of the amazing things about Brady was that he did all those things while never being a plus athlete. He never ran well, and yet, he was still a great player until his mid-40s.

If Mahomes loses his wheels somehow - just from age or accumulated injuries - will he be able to process things quickly enough and throw the ball accurately enough to still move a team up and down the field? Andy Reid's earlier protege Donovan McNabb didn't fare very well once he couldn't run around very much.

I think Alex Graham had a…

I think Alex Graham had a good visit, but it's tough to expect much movement when there's no defensive coordinator on board. I feel like Michigan probably won't land a commitment until that's taken care of and he can meet the new guy.

2026 tight end Lincoln Watkins also had a good visit, and I think Michigan is in a good spot with him.

I *think* Michigan is also in a good spot for Rowan Byrne. I feel like the promotion of Moore was a good thing for that recruitment, as well as the promotion of Grant Newsome to OL coach.

Not that I know of.

Not that I know of.

He enrolled at Michigan…

He enrolled at Michigan...and his fallback school was Stanford...and he got his MBA from Harvard.

Pretty impressive dude.

Well...I have to think the…

Well...I have to think the hit rate on players from Cass Tech would have been higher if Jim Harbaugh had been the coach at the time. Unfortunately, Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hoke didn't do a great job of developing their talent.

I also tend to think that having too many good players on one team can be problematic, and it can cause you to think too highly of some guys. If the #1 receiver gets all kinds of attention, bracket coverage, etc., the #2 guy might go off and make all kinds of plays with all the space he has...but he might be a D2 player disguising himself as an FBS guy.

Cass Tech used to collect so much talent that it seemed like everyone was a future star, and while there were a few true stars mixed in there, they weren't as frequent as lots of people thought.

Amorion Walker, is that you?

Amorion Walker, is that you?

Michigan also got Anthony…

Michigan also got Anthony Lalota from there a while ago. He eventually transferred to Rutgers and never really did anything.

Agreed. The guys who are…

Agreed. The guys who are extremely physically gifted at an early age seem like they've often hit their ceiling, matured earlier than others, etc. Similar to how John Beilein felt about recruiting basketball players who were young for their class, the guys with big muscles and beards as high school sophomores or juniors...well...that might just be about the best they get to be.

If Ryan Day hires an alpha…

If Ryan Day hires an alpha dude as his OC and then doesn't let him...you know...be an OC, there are going to be some problems on that coaching staff. I don't think that dynamic would sit well with Bill O'Brien.

Nothing quite says "I don't…

Nothing quite says "I don't care about this" than caring enough to hit REPLY and type in a comment about how much you don't care.

I'm not saying Clinkscale…

I'm not saying Clinkscale isn't qualified, but there's more to being a defensive coordinator than "knowing the system." You have to be able to teach it to the coaches and the players, organize things for the entire defensive staff, have a vision for what types of players to recruit and how they fit, etc. Good position coaches aren't always good coordinators.

I think Clinkscale could go…

I think Clinkscale could go.

I think Campbell is a college guy, especially at this point. He was working at ODU a few years ago and at DII Alderson Broaddus before that. Maybe sometime down the road he might dip his toes into the NFL, but I don't think that time is now.

Do we not think that Jim…

Do we not think that Jim Harbaugh is a connection to the NFL? He hand-picked Sherrone Moore as his successor.

If anything, Michigan now has more connections to the NFL, because there's Jim Harbaugh on the left coast and John Harbaugh on the right coast.

There's been talk about Orr…

There's been talk about Orr on more than this message board...

Sherrone Moore had his…

Sherrone Moore had his introductory press conference on Saturday.

It's Tuesday.

The San Diego Chargers fired Brandon Staley 14 games into their 17-game season, and they just hired a new head coach a week ago.

Michigan isn't moving slowly. It just feels that way because Michigan fans are anxious.

Supposedly the buyout for…

Supposedly the buyout for Lanning makes it next to impossible for him to be Alabama's new coach.

I came here because I was…

I came here because I was writing long social media posts about Michigan football, and my friends were like, "Hey, that's cool and all, but nobody else really cares that much about Michigan football."

So I had to find like-minded folk.

I don't even know what this…

I don't even know what this means. Does that mean he's not going to be productive until he hits carry 16 in any given game? Why does he need to get into a groove when good running backs just go out there and, like, are good?

If a QB needed 15 snaps to get good and a LT needed 15 snaps before he stops giving up sacks, then those guys aren't on the field. Edwards shouldn't need 15 carries before he gets good. Hassan Haskins, Blake Corum, Mike Hart, etc. didn't need 15 carries in a game before they could be good.

I harbor no ill will toward Edwards. I hope he figures out a way to be successful. But we need to stop making excuses for him not being good. 

I'm just going to say it: He runs soft. He doesn't like contact, and he doesn't break tackles. If he's going to be successful as a full-time running back, he has to put on some weight/strength and change his running attitude.

Well, you can absolutely…

Well, you can absolutely spend a draft pick on him. He's fast, he can catch the ball, and he can make big plays. He also has some value when it comes to those occasional halfback passes, trick plays, etc. You generally aren't going to find that skill set in the UDFA market.

But he's certainly not a 1st round talent like some thought.

I think Edwards has higher…

I think Edwards has higher upside as an all-purpose back, but Michigan doesn't use its backs as all-purpose backs. That goes back a decade or so. I would love it if Michigan incorporated its backs into the passing game more often like it did on Monday, when Corum got a couple catches and Edwards got targeted. It's just not going to be a part of a Harbaugh offense, and we have lots of years of evidence to back that up.

Mullings is a better fit for what Michigan wants to do. This goes back to De'Veon Smith, Hassan Haskins, Corum, etc. Michigan wants a bruiser in the backfield, and Edwards isn't that. I think he's just a change-of-pace guy here, not a bell cow.

Kalel Mullings has looked…

Kalel Mullings has looked better as a pure runner than Edwards has this year. TBH, it looks like Mullings should be the lead back next year, with Edwards playing a similar role to what he has done this year.

Perfect timing.

Perfect timing.

But the "and" describes you…

But the "and" describes you very well.

I don't think the NBA values…

I don't think the NBA values defense in this era. It's all about the points, shooting percentages, etc. A defensive monster in the 1980s or 1990s meant something. Or when a guy is a great offensive player and also all-defense. But 8.7 points per game in an era of wide-open offense isn't going to match up with some of the monster numbers other guys are putting up, in my opinion.

We'll see in a few years.

I'm not so sure. His career…

I'm not so sure. His career numbers include 8.7 points per game, 6.9 rebounds per game, and 5.6 assists per game. That's not very impressive. 

There are a few HOF players with fewer PPG than Green, but the only two in the relatively modern era (Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman) were both rebounding champs. In other words, they were GREAT rebounders. Green isn't great at anything...except taking cheap shots at other NBA players.

There was another guy with…

There was another guy with Magnus in his name, and it really pissed me off. But now I miss him.

Roman Wilson was #18 in the…

Roman Wilson was #18 in the Big Ten in receptions this season, and that was with an extra game. He was #21 in the conference in receptions per game. Very few elite talents want to come and be a #1 receiver where the ceiling is as the #21 most used receiver in the conference.

We've had 5-star-level talents in Donovan Peoples-Jones and Nico Collins, and they didn't play like 5-stars because that's just not Jim Harbaugh's forte. Even going back to Stanford and San Francisco, he wasn't someone who featured elite WR talents. It just is what it is at this point. 

Never heard of him. Sounds…

Never heard of him. Sounds like more of a backstage guy.

Who is TP? Pete Thamel? The…

Who is TP? Thamel, Pete? The Pete (Finebaum)? Tpat Pforde? Terrell Pryor? Tony Posada?

Without reading the rest of…

Without reading the rest of the comments, I will throw in that some star Michigan players have failed to participate in bowl games in recent years. That includes Rashan Gary, Devin Bush, Jabrill Peppers, etc. 

Bowl games don't mean anything anymore. It's CFP or bust. It used to be that the Rose Bowl or the Orange Bowl or whatever could have national title implications, or at least a fight for a respected final ranking of #2 or #3.

If your top players are sitting out bowl games, the record doesn't matter. Can USC win their bowl game without Caleb Williams? Possibly, but they're not the same team. Was Michigan just as good without Jabrill Peppers, a Heisman finalist, in their bowl games? No.

It's much the same as why I threw away Michigan's 2-4 record during COVID. Was it fair to judge Michigan without Ambry Thomas, Nico Collins, Jalen Mayfield, Kwity Paye, Aidan Hutchinson, and others for all/most of the season? Thomas is a starting NFL corner, Collins is having a great year now that he has a QB, Paye was a 1st round pick, Hutchinson was the #2 pick, Mayfield was probably Michigan's best OL at the time (even if he hasn't done well in the NFL), etc.

The CFP record does matter, because guys aren't skipping CFP games and there's a reason to care. So Michigan is 0-2. Georgia was a lot better in 2021 and they deserved to win. Michigan laid an egg in 2022, probably because they looked past TCU, which should have been a relatively easy victory. But a win this season puts them at potentially 1-3 or 2-2 in the CFP.

I think in the future, we won't be talking about bowl records...we'll be talking about CFP records.

It's coke. Cocaine. It's all…

It's coke. Cocaine. It's all cocaine.

This has been a consistent…

This has been a consistent issue since Jim Harbaugh took over in 2015. I've long had an issue with his unwillingness to use running backs in a more varied sense. Maybe it goes back to his days in the NFL when running backs were RUNNING backs and not considered so much as pass catchers.

Overall, I'm happy with Harbaugh as a football coach, so I'm not really complaining. He just is what he is.

When Harbaugh arrived in 2015, he had on his roster a back who was widely acknowledged as having good enough hands to play wide receiver, but he had the body of a running back or H-back. Ty Isaac would go on to make a grand total of 7 receptions (2.3 receptions/year) over three seasons at Michigan after having 4 as a true freshman at USC. Instead, Michigan would keep Isaac in to pass block when we all knew that he didn't love contact and was a poor pass protector.

So I think this is a Harbaugh thing. Mix in Gattis, Drevno, Moore, Campbell, Weiss...and it's a Harbaugh thing. Just like having a good defense is a Harbaugh thing, whether it's Durkin, Brown, Macdonald, or Minter as the DC.

They had no run defense, and…

They had no run defense, and they couldn't block two 1st round-caliber edge rushers.

I'm going to parrot…

I'm going to parrot something a user says on TTB - that I don't necessarily agree with - which is that recruiting rankings stop being relevant when a kid steps on campus. Again, I don't really agree with that, BUT...

...Aidan Hutchinson wasn't a 4-star quality recruit. Blake Corum has played like a 5-star. Mike Sainristil has played like a 4-star. David Ojabo had a 5-star year in 2021. We can't sit here and say all these star players weren't talented. It turns out they were talented, but they were misevaluated. Ronnie Bell and Hassan Haskins were nondescript 3-star players, but they played like 4-stars.

Michigan is about to have 15-20 players drafted in the 2024 NFL Draft. They have plenty of talent.

I don't love these posts,…

I don't love these posts, because they could very easily swing the other way. If Day had won these last two games with all this talent, people would be lambasting Harbaugh for not winning despite having McCarthy, Hutchinson, Corum, Ojabo, etc. 

If Harbaugh wins, he's a great coach and Ryan Day sucks!

If Day wins, he's a great coach and Jim Harbaugh sucks!

Maybe both of them are very good coaches. Harbaugh was a very good coach when he was going 0-5 against Ohio State, and he's still a very good coach now that he's 3-0 since 2021. Somebody has to win, and somebody has to lose.

Ren Hefley played for…

Ren Hefley played for Michigan a few years ago. He was a walk-on QB. 

2019-2020: Michigan
2021: Presbyterian
2022: Northwest Mississippi C.C.
2023: Middle Tennessee State

I know this because Tyler knows this.

Oh, and also, I follow him with my Ex-Wolverine Updates posts.

Yes, please! I have been on…

Yes, please! I have been on the Wimberly train since Michigan offered. No, he doesn't play great competition, but he's a beast. I was disappointed when he committed to Arkansas.

Right. Michigan did…

Right. Michigan did something similar with Dan Villari...and now he's playing TE and Wildcat QB at Syracuse. In fact, if you look at the history of running QBs under Harbaugh at Michigan, it's not a great one. The guys brought in to run (Milton, McCaffrey, Villari, etc.) have not really continued on to be starting QBs at Michigan. 

NOTE: I do not include McCarthy from 2021, because he was clearly being developed as the heir to McNamara and had more than twice as many passing attempts as he did rush attempts.

Indeed it has happened! Even…

Indeed it has happened! Even at Michigan.

Marell Evans signed with Michigan in 2007. He then transferred to Hampton. He tried to come back to Michigan in 2011, and he was on the team, but he was not eligible to play. I'm not sure if the details ever were made public.