crg

March 14th, 2017 at 7:18 AM ^

By definition, statutory rape can get into some moral gray areas. People respond viscerally because they hear the word "rape", but context is everything in this case. Firstly, these acts can be 100% consensual (I don't know the percentages between non/consensual, but that could probably be compiled). The next issue is the age difference; obviously a 40 year old being with a 15 year old is wrong, but what about 18 and 17 together (in some jurisdictions)? That is still "rape" by definition, but you could certainly argue it is not immoral. I would expect the courts to use a good deal of discretion in each of these cases (especially considering this could put someone on a sex offender list for the rest of their life), but the point is that this is not necessarily a terrible crime - it's all in the details.

trueblueintexas

March 14th, 2017 at 12:23 AM ^

I am so thankful I was in high school and college before social media was invented. Only my friends really know what happened (kind of), and now they are starting to lose their memory. My wife will never hear that story about that one time...

JohnnyV123

March 14th, 2017 at 1:27 AM ^

Can't the rule just be....don't be a fucking asshole? Seems easier and more complete to me.

I don't tweet but I don't really see anything INHERENTLY creepy about tweeting at recruits. I work with kids tutoring students as much as twenty years younger than me all the time (I'm 30). The parents don't really know me going in and I'm usually working in their homes...but I establish boundaries that keep anything from getting creepy territory. I'm not there to be their friend and hang out with them even though I am friendly.

Twitter to me is similar although people are not being paid to tweet. If you're trying to tweet at recruits to become their "friend" or give them unsolicited life advice or yell at them or try to hang out with them you are a creep. If you are sending well wishes to someone who your only connection is that they may end up playing for the team you support I don't see much problem with that.

The Internet connects friends and strangers. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. Just don't be an asshole....or a creep.

JohnnyV123

March 14th, 2017 at 12:24 PM ^

Why are the kids on social media then? You are taking away the entire point. Most people aren't on there just to connect with friends. Especially on Twitter.

I think it's weird that grown adults want to connect with 17 year old strangers but it bothers me that the adults on here aren't grown up enough to handle how social media works.

Don't want any attention from strangers? Then don't have a Twitter account or make it private.

The Fan in Fargo

March 14th, 2017 at 2:18 AM ^

I don't tweet at recruits, I've said before that I did try friending George Campell on facebook or whatever that wide receiver was named from Florida and told him it would be awesome if he went blue. That was a few years back now and I never saw how a message from me could be creepy cuz I'm like the dopest dude you'll ever meet but I don't do it anymore, don't care to and it is a little sad for us fans to do stuff like that to get a player. At least we aren't sad enough to offer money though. The Campell thing worked out well because he is flopper.

Creepy is probably what it is but grow up already, we are in the social media era right now. Here's the solution to the problem. When you start recruiting a player, warn them right off of the bat that Mighigan has some crazy fans that might lash out at you and there are also some other super crazy lunatic people posing as fans that will also pretend to lash out. They are probably buckeye, spartan or some SEC team lover. Warn them and make sure they understand and then ask them to please not let it be a determining factor in their decision. You won't stop the fake or crazy real fans from doing this so it would help obviously to get it out in the open right away. Especially with the high profile recruits. Problem solved boys.

BlueCube

March 14th, 2017 at 6:35 AM ^

bitch about Harbaugh or Beilein taking a three star (despite their records of spotting and developing talent) while knowing little except they are currently a three star just a step away from these people?

The recruits would never think of coming to a Wolverine sports message board to see what people are saying would they?

bacon

March 14th, 2017 at 6:46 AM ^

Just because these high schoolers might decide to attend a school with a football team that we like isn't a good reason to tweet at them. I'd suggest a simple test for tweeting at recruits: if you wouldn't tweet something to another high school kid (who you know as well as you know a recruit) who is considering going to Michigan, then don't tweet a recruit about it. I'm guessing that for nearly all fans in nearly all situations, they don't know the recruit personally and therefore fall in the don't tweet based on that criteria.

JTrain

March 14th, 2017 at 7:13 AM ^

The problem with all this info. is that there are about four Ohio State fans jussssst smart enough to know that all they have to do now is start a fake twitter account as a Michigan fan and verbally blast all of our top targets.
The masses typically do the right thing and stay away but all it takes is one dumbass to piss someone off.
Honestly, if my kid were going through the process, I'd insist they stay off the social media. Texting OK..but no twitter, FB, instagram, or Snapchat. There are too many internet tough guys out there. Brave behind the keyboard...but cowards in real life.

uminks

March 14th, 2017 at 8:09 AM ^

OSU fans in their 30s and 40s, sitting in their Mom's basement, pretending to be Michigan fans and tweeting negative things to any recruit that has Michigan on their list of possible schools. Something I would not put pass their low fans base!

BuckNekked

March 14th, 2017 at 8:13 AM ^

Social media in all its forms is the devil. There are no redeeming qualities and it will lead to the downfall of western civilization. I avoid it like I would the plague for that is just what it is.

Ali G Bomaye

March 14th, 2017 at 8:38 AM ^

Or maybe he said that because a bunch of people were ripping on him on Twitter. The chicken or the egg...

My perspective is that it takes two to tango. Solomon has a reason to be on his own Twitter. Other people don't have a reason to be tweeting things at him. Therefore, my default presumption is that in any messy Twitter interaction between a fan and a recruit, the fan is to blame unless there's a concrete reason to believe otherwise.

blueday

March 14th, 2017 at 8:19 AM ^

Help me out. Can't you pick who follows you? Why would you believe anything that came from someone you didn't know?

oriental andrew

March 14th, 2017 at 9:35 AM ^

You can block individual users or make your account private (or protected, I think is their term) so that follow requests must be explicitly approved. You can't choose who follows you if your profile is public, although you can go back and block them. 

High school kids generally want to keep their accounts open so all their friends and acquaintances can follow. Of course, they may also have multiple accounts (public and private). 

His Dudeness

March 14th, 2017 at 8:35 AM ^

I dont even have a Twitter but in this singular case, what did he think was going to happen when he said what he did?

I am not saying idiots on Twitter are ok. Far from it. But again, in this day and age, what did he think was going to be the outcome of his actions on that facebook live feed?

Pardon me for not feeling sorry for the kid in this case.

 

Maynard

March 14th, 2017 at 9:08 AM ^

This is where I am at with it too. I don't use Twitter and I don't condone anything having to do with contacting recruits if you don't personally know them. However, if you say stupid shit like "Fuck Michigan," you're probably going to get some blowback. If you don't want that, then think before you speak. I just think it's pretty convenient for some (if not most) on here that since we ended up with him all is forgiven and now it's the horrible people on the internet that are the problem. Some of the responsibility for what one says has to fall back on the individual himself. If he would have ended up at Georgia, half of the people so concerned about him getting tweeted at wouldn't care a bit.

Year of Revenge II

March 14th, 2017 at 8:40 AM ^

I don't tweet at recruits often, but if and when I do…

nevermind, I would have to take too many showers if I did that, but it's really not any different than stalking Zsa Zsa Gabor's house outside her gate in Beverly Hills in the 50's, or trying to get in touch with one of the Beatles in the 60's, etc.  

Now, you can accomplish that kind of creepishness instantly thanks to "the Twitter".  There is one difference though, the kid is putting his or her name out in a public venue and inviting comment/tweets from the public.  They seek "popularity" measured in their number of followers. It's like fan mail—do you really think it is all going to be positive?

Brightside

March 14th, 2017 at 8:53 AM ^

It really is that simple.  If you wouldn't say it to a recruit at his HS in front of his friends, then you are really disconnected if you thing an annonymous tweet has a positive impact.

I doubt many of the negative tweets would have been said in person to the recruits.  The annonymity provides entitlement and bravado to the self righteous.  Amiright?

uncle leo

March 14th, 2017 at 8:57 AM ^

Call me a skeptic. Every fan base has lunatics that will tweet horrible things to people.

This is the biggest decision in your life, and it should be based on strictly on the coaching staff, the atmosphere, the direction of the program, and the overall "vibe" you get when you step foot on campus.

If you start to get emotionally swayed because a bunch of idiots are tweeting at you and that actually impacts how you spend the next 3-4 years of your life, it's time to get off twitter. If you are deciding between two schools and you choose the one that has "less twitter jerks," you may need to rethink your priorities with how you handle your athletic and academic future.

Blue in Paradise

March 14th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^

Correct. But they don't, they make these decisions at 17 so if the coaches on the ground recruiting these kids are telling you that it matters - then it probably matters despite what you think should matter. Even if CP is wrong, common decency and sanity dictate that an adult should not be sending hate tweets to kids. It is grotesque behavior.

uncle leo

March 14th, 2017 at 10:06 AM ^

About the tweeting at kids. Never would, and I think it's silly that people do.

But I still don't buy it affecting his decision. When you are a moderately known person like him, he's probably been dealing with jackholes on twitter for most of his high school career. For it suddenly to have a MASSIVE impact on where he's going to school? Call me a skeptic.

NRK

March 14th, 2017 at 9:29 AM ^

If you are dumb and still need a reason for why not to tweet at recruits:

 

  • What good for the program can come from negatively tweeting at a recruit? Literally none.
  • What good for the program can come for NOT negatively tweeting at a recruit? The recruit may still be considering UM.

 

Think of this as a Pascal's Wager of not tweeting at recruits.

bronxblue

March 14th, 2017 at 9:33 AM ^

I know this was a unique case in that the player also interacted with fans in an aggressive manner, but yeah, don't tweet at recruits. It isn't necessary, and it inevitably does more harm than good.

M-Dog

March 14th, 2017 at 9:57 AM ^

When you look at how people act on the internet in general, this problem is not going to go away.

If there was ever any thought that people are intrinsically good and decent . . . the internet has certainly proven that wrong.

Even something as benign as a James Taylor music video on Youtube gets nasty comments.  

There are just a core of people that think it's their job to post antagonistic stuff on the internet.  No matter what.

Parents, mentors, and teachers need to teach kids how to ignore the nasty noise that is inherent on the internet.  

You can't take it seriously or you will drive yourself crazy.  Besides, do you really care about the opinion of some moron in their mother's basement?

You certainly should not pick a school based on it.

 

 

jbrandimore

March 14th, 2017 at 9:49 AM ^

Would you think it's "ok" to go and find 16 and 17 year old girls Michigan was recruiting and contact them on social media?

If your answer was "no, that would be creepy" - please leave male athletes alone too please.

Blue Baughs

March 14th, 2017 at 10:01 AM ^

we all love twitter trolls who tweet at recruits. If not for them, we wouldnt get to have these santimonious circle jerks every couple weeks.

Its pretty easy. Dont tweet negative shit at recruits or attempt to engage them in conversation.. But i dont give too shits if you throw someone a Go Blue or H4IL or anything else simple and harmless.

I do that to people wearing Michigan gear in public regardless of age.

kehnonymous

March 14th, 2017 at 10:09 AM ^

Although it won't help with the overal societal problem of tweeting at recruits or other toxic forms of Internet discourse - I sincerely think that any non-coach/important person who tweets at a recruit should be Bolivia'd from here with extreme prejudice.  It'd be a start.