SC players comment on our offense

Obvious problem. The question is, why? Some people seem to think the coaches aren't aware of any other options. Given that all of these coaches have serious NFL credentials, I find that unlikely. It is much more likely that the concepts are deliberately limited to keep things accessible to some combination of young receivers and a young QB. (Ironically some people complain that the system is too complex. Well, not today). Indeed, a theorized knock on Peters this year was his limited grasp of the playbook. If Speight was capable of making reads for a wider variety of route concepts, that helps explain why Peters was in third at the beginning of the year. Regardless, some thoughtful inspection suggests that there is a question of what the players can handle. Perhaps development questions need to be answered.

Humiliating.

Reminds me of the Nebraska game a few years back. They came ought right after the game and said they knew exactly what we were going to do.

Our play-calling has been predictable for years.

our coaches all have early stage CTE? Except Doc

Thats my theory.

Our offense wasn't a juggernaut but it wasn't dull and predictable. There was a large variety of formations, plays, and routes.

The offense took many steps back when Fisch and Wheatley left. Drevno and Hamilton are major downgrades. That needs to be fixed above all.  Need a whole new offensive staff including moving Jay Harbaugh out.

Post-game comments after the January 2007 Rose Bowl against USC:

"USC center Ryan Kalil knew Michigan's defensive front had been feared most of the season, but he said the Trojans were totally prepared for everything they saw.

"They were very, very comfortable with their schemes and we didn't feel they would change up too much, and they didn't," Kalil said. "There was nothing we didn't see. We were able to call it all out, whether it was from myself or John David Booty . We were able to see everything."

USC's center, Ryan Kalil, and its defensive end, Lawrence Jackson, both talked about the predictable nature of Michigan's strategy -- on both sides of the ball. Jackson called U-M's defense traditional and stale. Meanwhile, USC -- after mustering only three points in the first half Monday -- scrapped its plan and came out throwing.

Cushing praised the Wolverines afterward because that is what players are taught to do and there is no percentage in not doing so. But he also admitted that he had been well-enough prepared to know what was coming with just about every Michigan trip to the line of scrimmage.

"Yup, pretty much so," he said. "I understand what they were trying to do," Cushing said. "It is the Big Ten mentality to try and overpower you."

The Carr mentality shared many of the same tendencies of the Schembechler mentality, and the Harbaugh mentality does as well: we won't try to beat you by changing things up; we'll run the same play you've seen on film all season and we'll run it over and over again and you won't be able to stop it because we're executing it so well with talent that's simply better than yours. (Except you won't be able to stop our super-secret hand-off to a TE)

The problem is that JH is coaching in a vastly more competitive conference than Bo ever had to face, and I think more competitive than Carr had to face for most of his time as HC as well.

I don't understand how this game plan/play calling was done by the same staff as the OSU game. Especially with a month to prepare? I saw every single crack sweep coming as soon as the WR came in motion and I've never played a down of football in my life.

So much for our complicated tough to defend offense

Someone else said it but.....Lloyd 2.0

Wow if I could go back to last season and kick my own ass for ever complaining about the offense. Sure Speight had some off games, Oline/ running game issues a few times, but not once did I see a game plan like what we saw all year this season. It is clear to me now that Jedd Fisch was our Joe Moorhead type guy, and we need to find someone of that caliber to replace Pepp immediately. What I'm sure is a question that will never be answered for me is if this is Harbaugh's offense...how can it look so drastically worse this year than any other year under him at multiple different coaching stops, with a number of different OC's and play callers.  What is the difference this year? Drevno has been on staff for just about all of Harbaugh's successful seasons so I'm not ready to say its completely his fault, the players on our team don't seem to be worse than what he had on any other team.  To me this years offensive performance falls completly on Jim... Pepp's new passing schemes, and Frey trying to mix in his zone blocking schemes with the traditional Harbaugh/Drevno power schemes...we had all these ideas of what could work..but had no TRUE offensive identity. 

This kid should be our quarterback, since he learned our system in a month of bowl prep, while Peters hasn't in two years. Maybe he can coordinate our pass game, too.

I honestly wouldn't call this Lloyd ball 2.0....Coach Carr could be frustratingly stubborn in his own right... but atleast even his worst teams had an offensive identity. Even if it was not a great identity..it was there. This team on the other hand? I could not tell you what we hang our hat on so to speak. 

Pay him more

I think it’s pretty clear why peters was the third option and it’s because the coaches didn’t think he could handle a diverse difficult offense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZKVVHCTYYs

The play calling against OSU was timely dynamic and off schedule why did we go right back to what got us L’s in the first place

SC player comments the OP posted, it seems the offenses that use few formations, but multiple options within each formation seem to work better. Oklahoma and OSU do this. For college kids who have to go to school and what not, it would be better for the QB to focus on a limited number of decisions within the play rather than trying to recall which of the 50 formations go with certain plays.

It just feels as if our QBs (all 3 this season) have had way too much swirling around in their heads to execute well.

Solution: limit formations and overall plays with multiple options for the QB to change based on what he sees the defense doing. This would make “tendencies” harder to predict based on formations.

Also, the comment from SC players on our routes is pretty damning evidence that Pep Hamilton has done a really poor job as a coach. Our routes under Fisch were varied, interesting, difficult to predict, and ultimately...successful.

For a true freshman QB, that was nice poise from Fromm