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08/20/2018 - 10:41am He can pretty easily say his…

He can pretty easily say his goal is to be best prepared for the NFL as early as possible. So looking for playing time and proven development. Pretty easy to explain away.

I mean I would pick Wisconsin if I were him but it doesn't strengthen Michigan's case.

08/20/2018 - 10:38am He was never coming here. It…

He was never coming here. It is what it is, don't know why people are talking about values and taking side swipes at this kid that his values essentially aren't good enough for Michigan or something. Winning will solve far more problems than anything else so just do that this year.

08/17/2018 - 10:49pm He didn’t prove himself…

He didn’t prove himself against good defenses. Getting destroyed by LSU and bama. He’s obviously an upgrade but the goal is to beat good teams, we need an oline to do that

08/16/2018 - 3:57pm I meant in style. Also the…

I meant in style. Also the Georgia offense I think was only slightly above average according to S&P, they were 36th in offensive S&P, 2016 Michigan was 33rd.

08/16/2018 - 2:33pm I think he meant still not…

I think he meant still not excellent in that the starter still isn't elite.

08/16/2018 - 2:33pm Cole wasn't that good of a…

Cole wasn't that good of a tackle is sort of the problem. He wasn't terrible but against a good edge rusher he couldn't compete. He was better suited inside but forced outside by poor tackle recruiting.

08/16/2018 - 2:06pm I certainly hope you are…

I certainly hope you are right. Its difficult to imagine them being worse and I'm confident they will be at least pretty good run blocking. So hopefully we can just be Georgia last year. A dominant run game that can hit over the top. 

08/16/2018 - 1:21pm That OT news is yikes. At…

That OT news is yikes. At this point the tackle situation looks worse than last year where at least you had Cole on one side.

Also I know you said not to but I'm concerned about DE depth and D line depth in general. Its a spot you would like to be able to rotate pretty heavily. Winovich might be able to go most of the game but he will perform better if he doesn't have to. For as good as the starting defensive line is, if the offense doesn't take a major step forward I could see us having some of the same problems as last year with the D getting a little gassed at the end and tailing off. And if the answer is we can go 3-3-5, that doesn't say positive things about that depth, its a band aid over a problem.

08/16/2018 - 11:27am They return 10 of 11…

They return 10 of 11 starters from a top 10 pass defense? The fuck is unknown about that?

We know DPJ is an athlete, its still a complete unknown if he is a good receiver. For all of the talk of the wide receivers perceived talent levels ND has more receiving yards and touchdown catches in their wide receiving core. Their passing game, as bad as it way is still more proven than ours.Their offensive line is still bringing back more competent play than ours and isn't trying to replace two tackles so is certainly in a better position. Michigan has the better defense, ND has the better oline. Based off returning production those are pretty much the only two things we can say for sure going into this game. Everything else is homerism.

08/16/2018 - 10:32am I'm not arguing we are going…

I'm not arguing we are going to lose. I'm arguing its unlikely we win by 20 points. If Patterson is better than OKorn and gets our offense to serviceable we are still playing a top 30 defense that returns 10 of 11 starters on the road. An average offensive performance against that is probably 20-24 points and at least one turnover. 

 

08/16/2018 - 10:26am Of course its technically…

Of course its technically possible. 

But I can construct a scenario where Patterson throws a pick six and their special teams returns a punt and we are down 10-0 by the end of the first quarter. We start trying to throw the ball more to get back in the game but our turnstile OT's lead to a number of sacks and three and outs gassing the defense like we saw last year. Michigan hits big twice and scores 14 but the tired defense gives up a long scoring drive and we trail 17-14 going into the 4th quarter when Patterson and Black have a miscommnication as Patterson is trying to avoid a sack throwing a back breaking pick and we lose 20-10. Both are completely feasible options, doesn't make either likely. 

08/16/2018 - 10:22am Thats not how away games…

Thats not how away games work. The stadium was 50/50 or at worst 60/40, both teams had to deal with travel etc. 

I didn't say anything about beating ranked teams on the road. I used a different statistic that has a larger sample size to illustrate that Michigan has struggled on the road against any team with a pulse. If you have a problem with that assertion refute it with facts rather than ad hominem attacks about my perceived attitude towards the team.

Here is the breakdown of Michigan on the road against teams with a winning record under Harbaugh:

Wins:

29-26 over minnesota (took a goal line stand to beat a mediocre team that technically finished 6-7)

48-41 over Indiana ( a 2ot win over a team that also finished 6-7)

28-16 over penn state (an actually moderately comfortable win over a not tire fire team)

28-10 over Purdue (solid win over a decent team)

Losses:

Lost 24-17 at Utah (they finished ranked, was fine performance overall)

Lost 14-13 at Iowa (Iowa is a perfectly solid team, still a terrible loss given where that season was going)

Lost 30-27 at OSU in 2ot (played an incredible game against a good team, most crushing loss of the Harbaugh era but not reflective of a poor performance)

Lost 42-13 at PSU (only the second time we've been truly blown out under Harbaugh, just didn't have it at all)

Lost 24-10 at Wisconsin (solid showing until Peters got injured and defense ran out of gas)

So we are 4-5 over 9 road games against teams that even finished 6-6. Only one of our wins even came against a team that got to 8 wins on the season. Nothing about that fills me with the idea that we are suddenly going to win by 2 scores against a team on the road that is, even if overrated, almost certainly a top 25 caliber team.

 

 

08/16/2018 - 9:28am Literally every team we…

Literally every team we played last year generated pass rush against us. If you are choosing to believe are tackles are a big step up I respect your optimism but am not counting on it going into the game. 

They had a top 10 passing defense last year and return both starting safeties but they are shaky? Their defense gave up less explosive plays than ours did last year which is generally a function of safety play. Who doesn't have a shaky pass defense to you? Bama?

And Patterson has never thrown a live pass to any of the receiving targets. I don't care how good we are at the end of the year expecting there to be no hiccups or transition costs during game 1 is being incredibly optimistic to me.

08/16/2018 - 9:22am A) Florida was a neutral…

A) Florida was a neutral site game B) Florida finished last year 4-7, unless you are counting on ND being actively bad this year the perception of Florida going into that game didn't match reality and isn't instructive for this game.

And its not just about beating ranked teams on the road, we are under .500 against any team with a winning record on the road. Remember Utah year 1? That is the most similar game in terms of expectation setting. The benefits of it not being the first game of the first year are offset by ND being a better team than Utah. You still have a QB in his first game in a new system with zero live game experience, behind what is a best case scenario mediocre line. If we can avoid 3 interceptions and only have like 1, I think we will win like we could have won that Utah game. I can also see us throwing 3 interceptions, falling behind early and not having enough juice to play from behind and catch up.

08/16/2018 - 8:46am Thinking we blow out Nd is…

Thinking we blow out Nd is being delusional. It’s really that simple. Thinking we will win is perfectly reasonable. But blowing out a top 10 team on the road that has a good defense when we are starting a qb for the first time in the system with two new, seemingly mediocre tackles? Seems unlikely 

08/16/2018 - 8:42am Does our offense vs their…

Does our offense vs their defense just not happen in your game? We will also likely have many three and outs. And for all of Patterson’s qualities, avoiding turnovers was not one of them. 

The reason both sides are confident is because everyone is just literally ignoring the part of the game that favors the other team.

08/15/2018 - 3:24pm You have anything to back…

You have anything to back that up or just feelings? I feel like its pretty close and don't really have a problem with it. They are both likely top 15 draft picks.

08/14/2018 - 4:49pm Yeah there is a lot of…

Yeah there is a lot of Durkin revisionist history. Yeah he obviously mentally checked out prior to the osu game and that left a bad taste in people’s mouths but he had an aggressive top 10 defense that won Michigan games early in the year when the offense couldn’t generate anything.

08/14/2018 - 3:32pm It also sounds like some of…

It also sounds like some of the stuff he is accused of doing at MD he did at Michigan. And I'm sure he did at Florida under Muschamp too. Which isn't shocking and goes back to the problems around football culture that illustrate that these things aren't due to one bad actor.

08/14/2018 - 10:57am Those quotes make penn state…

Those quotes make penn state look more likely than Michigan to me. Mom doesn't seem too enthused by Harbaugh, Michigan gets equated to penn state and he spends more time talking about how close knit penn state is and how close he is with other recruits. Obviously if he is still taking visits there is still plenty of time but if I had to guess right this second I'd say we are in third.

08/13/2018 - 11:58pm Yeah but they’ll also never…

Yeah but they’ll also never say anything truly negative. Breaking down a bit is a nice way to say getting whipped and missing reads.

They only have 2 weeks left until they have to go on the road against a probable top 10 defense. If they aren’t quite there yet they probably aren’t going to be in time for the Nd game.

08/13/2018 - 11:52pm It’s multiple pairs of shoes…

It’s multiple pairs of shoes over multiple years. I wouldn’t expect players to have all pairs of 2016, 2017, and 2018 shoes easily available to bring to practice the next day.

08/13/2018 - 10:58pm The btn bus guys just…

The btn bus guys just essentially said the oline was getting whipped by the d line the second they started running stunts or blitzes. And then nicely said there’s been progress and the makings of a better line because they have to say something nice. That’s not ideal.

08/13/2018 - 10:21pm This btn show is so useless

This btn show is so useless

08/13/2018 - 8:42pm This is relieving news…

This is relieving news. Impressive speed on the investigation 

08/13/2018 - 5:13pm He also said it looks like…

He also said it looks like they have a top 10 defense. So not sure where the irrational confidence is coming from. I think Michigan wins 14-7 or 14-10

08/13/2018 - 5:11pm People seem to keep…

People seem to keep forgetting our offense likely won't be that good. Two new tackles with a QB playing his first real game with the team on the road against a projected top 10 defense. I don't care how good Patterson is, we aren't going from where we were last year to lighting up a top 10 pass defense that returned the entire secondary on the road.

This game has 14-10 or 17-10 written all over it.

08/12/2018 - 8:58pm Just like the last project…

Just like the last project recruit that they didn't need to take this early in the process, this says more about where Michigan feels they stand with their higher rated priority targets than it does about this kid as a recruit. But hope it works out.

08/12/2018 - 11:40am Appreciate the inside info…

Appreciate the inside info but people keep leaving out part of the assessment which is that Nd is likely to have a very good defense. And we are starting a brand new qb with two brand new tackles on the road at night.

id say there are better odds we don’t score 21 points than win by 21. I am confident we will win the game, but I imagine it’ll be like 20-10

08/11/2018 - 12:54am Fuck off im telling the…

Fuck off im telling the truth because people need to see it. Osu fans were saying the exact same shit about psu and MSU before this. Big time college football is a bad culture. If we don’t recognize that as the problem rather than individuals it will never be fixed.

its a lot easier to shit on other teams and programs then admit the same things that allowed it to happen exist at Michigan as well

08/10/2018 - 9:38pm I didn’t equate selling…

I didn’t equate selling shoes to domestic abuse, just the general idea that Michigan would never cheat.

Also lol at you all if you don’t think it harbaugh wins a national championship our fan base wouldn’t try to defend him in an osu or MSU situation. We had people sending death threats to okorn over a football game but I’m sure those are all rational people about something like this 

08/10/2018 - 9:16pm I haven’t seen any reports…

I haven’t seen any reports that the seizure happened on the field and I believe it’s when the seizure occurred during treatment that the ambulance was called.

of course people fucked up, someone died. But I think this is something that could happen to a lot of teams because of the culture around football. Look at what people are saying about Durkin, you really think that just magically occurred when he left? It’s that mentality that harbaugh loves about him.

08/10/2018 - 9:06pm At a certain point Michigan…

At a certain point Michigan fans are going to realize all major college football programs are essentially the same and get off their damn high horse about being special and above board.

just have to hope it isn’t anyone important 

08/10/2018 - 7:51pm A little more info would…

A little more info would have been nice. 

08/10/2018 - 6:18pm Not that this isn’t a…

Not that this isn’t a tragedy but this happened on a day that was in the 80s. Not exactly a super high heat.

its part of the tough guy culture of football that leads to guys playing through injuries, and considering our dB coach just last year was calling out a guy by name to the media for not playing through an injury let’s not pretend it couldn’t happen here too.

interesting that people want Durkin fired since you’d think whether a player can go or not would be on the training and medical staff. I think part of the reason there wasn’t immediate outcry is because stuff like working to exhaustion to the point where guys need support is something that happens more than once a season.

08/10/2018 - 6:13pm That time never existed 

That time never existed 

08/10/2018 - 11:20am I'd love to know which…

I'd love to know which tackles you like because I'm looking at the depth chart and insider information and just praying our interior offensive line is good enough at run blocking we can throw the ball as many times as Navy in a game.

08/08/2018 - 7:28pm I hope you are right. I'll…

I hope you are right. I'll root my ass off for him on and off the field. Doesn't mean just because he committed to Michigan I'm going to pretend like all available evidence no longer matters because I don't like what it says.

08/08/2018 - 5:55pm Well considering nobody who…

Well considering nobody who came in 1969 won a National championship it wasn’t true then either.

He wasn’t getting utilized in a way in this offense that showed off his talents. If he still believes he can prove he can make it in the nfl he should 100% leave and do what’s best for him. Just like you should leave your job if another company offers you a better job and you’ve been passed over multiple times for a promotion at your current stop. College football is a business, this is just student athletes realizing it.

08/08/2018 - 5:51pm It does provide some…

It does provide some reasoning. It still doesn’t say great things about our recruiting that he is who we turned to.

we really need some big wins this year.

08/08/2018 - 10:40am Because the schools own…

Because the schools own protocols cleared the way. You can argue that there can be other contract stipulatations but the reality is they weren’t in there. So osu can’t fire him for cause because he followed the institutional guidelines laid out in his contract and the school signed off on keeping smith. Whether or not you personally agree with that assessment has literally zero bearing on whether osu can fire Meyer with cause or not.

08/08/2018 - 9:16am This is dumb and likely…

This is dumb and likely racist, please go away.

08/08/2018 - 9:03am You can't understand how…

You can't understand how kids would go to a program that wins and puts people in the NFL at a regular clip? Have you not paid attention to anything in society? It will literally have zero impact on recruiting.

08/08/2018 - 8:55am I mean its possible he did…

I mean its possible he did follow all correct protocols the university laid and as such can't be fired with cause. OSU wasn't going to eat that buyout and get rid of Urban solely due to moral/ethical reasons. 

08/06/2018 - 5:38pm If you agree with Webb and…

If you agree with Webb and think they could have easily had him on signing day what is the justification for taking him now? I only see negative potential options. Unless the argument is a bunch of other high profile schools were about to get involved, which doesn't seem like the case there isn't a lot of upside to this take right now.

08/06/2018 - 5:25pm Or the non homer version is…

Or the non homer version is that Kent wasn't going to wait until signing day and miss out on a spot at a MAC school and be left holding the bag. So they knew he might go off the board to a MAC school if they waited too long and they had to decide if they felt confident enough about Ford or Johnson to risk not taking Kent. 

Ford has been to Colorado as much as he's been here, Oregon is a major player and has a much better history of pulling  players from California. ND is the leader for Johnson and Stanford is considered their primary competition. Who cares if we are 3rd for both guys if nobody actually thinks we are going to get them? Being third gets you nothing in recruiting.

There is literally zero justification for taking Kent now if you think you can get him on signing day, there is no downside to waiting. So if they knew they could get him on signing day and took him now its incredibly poor recruiting strategy from the staff because if they still think they can get Ford and Johnson they'll have 4 receivers in a class and some other recruits are pushed out. Recruiting has a finite number of spots.

08/06/2018 - 4:44pm He couldn't recruit at the…

He couldn't recruit at the state of Florida as the head coach of Florida, he is at the very best a mediocre recruiter.

08/06/2018 - 4:42pm No because literally nobody…

No because literally nobody outside of Michigan homers expect those guys to come here. You really think the staff is taking a guy who wasn't a take a few months ago because they think they will get those guys? Its nice to be optimistic but at some point you have to read the writing on the wall, the staff isn't getting it done at the wide receiver recruiting position. Maybe a fantastic year fixes that but nobody thinks we are getting those guys except you.

08/04/2018 - 8:50pm I mean if your goal is to…

I mean if your goal is to win the big ten west and once every decade maybe get a shot at the playoffs it does. If your goal is to compete for championships more frequently you need better recruiting. It’s pretty simple.

08/03/2018 - 3:44pm Disagree that night games…

Disagree that night games make people in the stands more uncomfortable. Night games were the best atmospheres by far at the Michigan games I attended. Its a different crowd that is objectively more involved.