|07/19/2018 - 8:41am||You can dislike night games…||
You can dislike night games but they objectively have a better atmosphere and are the only times the Michigan fan base even bothers to attempt to impact the game
|07/16/2018 - 7:29am||You including Michigan in…||
You including Michigan in that group? Because you should if actions under previous coaches count against the other schools.
|07/13/2018 - 10:45am||Psu had a pretty shaky oline…||
Psu had a pretty shaky oline and a 3 Star sophomore qb who was expected to go to wake forest and was a first year starter when they beat osu and won the big ten. Brandon peters last year had more time in the system than mcsorley. The excuses people make about the roster are extremely frustrating. The oline was a disaster because of failed coaching and recruiting by drevno, both bama and osu have started freshman on their olines. The lack of qb progression is on recruiting and coaching by harbaugh as all of the elite teams have won championships with qbs less experienced than peters. Youth is part of college football. If you can’t win with youth you won’t win consistently
|07/13/2018 - 10:40am||This is when people need to…||
This is when people need to look deeper than surface level. Clemson has been a stable program and only taken pretty small classes. Their average recruit rating has vastly outpaced their overall placement due to small classes.
theyve also had some pretty impactful juco transfers from guys who were former five star or top 100 types but don’t get counted that way in recruiting rankings.
|07/12/2018 - 6:21pm||Sure we aren’t out of it…||
Sure we aren’t out of it because he is from LA but your sources seem to be pretty heavy on the Michigan optimism. I haven’t seen a single non Michigan source say Michigan leads for hill or ford and honestly the Michigan sources vs national thoughts haven’t been going the Michigan sources way to frequently.
|07/12/2018 - 2:27pm||Kyle Ford might be the guy I…||
Kyle Ford might be the guy I want most left in this class but very good shot seems like a stretch.There is certainly interest but the prevailing wisdom from national experts seems to expect him to stay out west with USC. Really feels like this is one of those races we will finish second in, feels the same way about with Daxton Hill. Think we have a better shot finishing with Cine and Keegan of the top guys we are in on.
|07/06/2018 - 2:08pm||Of the teams left one has a…||
Of the teams left one has a cheer that translates to lets go blue and two of the teams left have yellow and blue as their primary colors. I'm a simple man, lets go France, Brazil, and Sweden.
|07/06/2018 - 8:52am||The target is for him to…||
The target is for him to leave so like 8 or 9 win season with an osu upset
|07/05/2018 - 10:59pm||Wings are amazing, this is…||
Wings are amazing, this is such an easy question.
Also diets that cut foods out unrelated to allergies are dumb. If you pay attention to what you eat and eat in moderation you can eat anything you want every once in a while. The biggest benefit proble get from dieting is being intentional about their food, not from cutting things out.
|07/05/2018 - 10:10pm||Because I’m not a troll I’m…||
Because I’m not a troll I’m a realist. Our d line haul is fantastic. Unfortunately having the best defensive line in college football doesn’t mean much if your offensive line has no tackles and your wide receivers can’t get open. Team construction matters too. If they get Ford and Keegan that’s great, if they don’t this class isn’t good enough to close any of the gap with osu and likely let’s psu continue to close the talent gap with us.
|07/05/2018 - 10:08pm||Recruiting rankings are…||
Recruiting rankings are pretty accurate. They predict the winner of most games in college football. If you don’t have more than 4 and 5 stars than 3 stars (which by the way this class currently does not meet the blue chip threshold as of right now) history says you won’t win a championship. Sure we won’t know for sure anything but we can make assumptions based off two decades of outcomes across the entire country, it’s a pretty large sample size.
|07/05/2018 - 4:14pm||Right that is why its a good…||
Right that is why its a good class and not an elite class. Its not like having a good class is a bad thing but lying about it being an elite class because every one of the 3 stars is criminally underrated according to this fanbase isn't helpful either.
|07/05/2018 - 1:49pm||I'm glad we are…||
I'm glad we are acknolwedging that this class is just good and not truly top tier but that is fine as long as they get Keegan and one of the wide receivers. If that WR is Ford and they manage to land Cine or Couch its a great class coming off the last year. Do that and have a 10+ win season this year and I bet Michigan is back to a legitimate top 5 class in 2020 (and if someone says we are top 5 now like that somehow matters just know that you are stupid so I don't have to reply to it)
|07/03/2018 - 4:40pm||Shea leaving is a reach but…||
Shea leaving is a reach but that almost certainly means we had a great year so I'm cool with it. I think Hudson leaving would be a bit of a surprise. Both L. Hill and Bush could wind up sticking around due to size concerns limiting their draft placement. Its likely a fair number of that group leave but I doubt all 6 do. I'd say we are probably at 18-19 comfortably based off this post. The staff seems to be recruiting like they expect closer to 25 slots. 5-7 playing time transfers would be a high amount in my opinion but I guess maybe not.
|07/03/2018 - 4:04pm||Obviously there are few…||
Obviously there are few early entry draft candidates but it seems the staff is planning on a serious level of playing time transfers.
|07/03/2018 - 4:01pm||It has plenty of legs, just…||
It has plenty of legs, just not in terms of being a scandal for current osu ad staff
|07/03/2018 - 3:55pm||At a certain people are…||
At a certain people are going to realize this is a symptom of the culture around college athletics and not a problem at individual athletic departments.
These things can, and have occurred and been covered up at many large and small athletic departments, corporations, etc. Its a culture problem and until we address that this won't go away.
|07/03/2018 - 3:43pm||The numbers to get the class…||
The numbers to get the class size it looks like the coaches plan on taking is interesting. Would love to get Ford, Keegan and Cine in this class.
|07/03/2018 - 11:54am||People just have this idea…||
People just have this idea that if someone isn't a sociopath it means they are a decent person. Lots of people are nice and liked in their personal lives and complete pieces of shit when dealing with people they are not connected with. Your description of him behind closed doors doesn't reflect in how he handles himself in the public sphere and the public sphere is all that matters in this debate.
DARE should be cut, numerous examples of meta analysis have shown it to be an incredibly ineffective practice https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448384/. We have almost no evidence that police and police have any large scale impact on crime. Reducing police does not result in increases in crime, increasing police does not result in decreases. Police services often exist to fill budgets, not because they have shown to be effective, etc. It is fear mongering because there is no need for it, no policy or statistical evidence. Any justifications given to support it have been fear mongering lies because there isn't a legitimate reason. Its language and arguments politicains have used to get elected for generations by convincing people that their way of life is under threat somehow and has resulted in destructive policies and wasted resources that could better serve the community.
|07/03/2018 - 9:33am||So you are arguing the paper…||
So you are arguing the paper misquoted him? You are arguing that he has not put in proposals for more police despite the police chief specifically saying no? Because these are things that are public record. If he didn't say that quote he can deny it and I see no evidence he has. If he didn't submit those proposals he could prove it, all notes from meetings are public record.
The problem seems to be here that you are using a personal connection to a person to override and ignore available evidence. The vast majority of people are good and decent to the people they like and are in their lives for a personal reason. Some of the worst people in the world have fantastic friends. I don't really give a shit about any of that when your political persona is selling lies and fearmongering to gain an electoral advantage at the cost of destroying communities and families. The fact that you like him means nothing because this is the tact he has chosen in the public sphere and what he will be judged on.
|07/02/2018 - 10:36pm||Because you can recognize…||
Because you can recognize that elected officials are not magic dictators who can cure all problems that have built up over decades in under 4 years? And you are able to recognize progress or intelligent policies made without having to have everything be fixed to overall support someone? It seems like there are some options as to why it makes sense to continue supporting a person.
|07/02/2018 - 10:33pm||Based off the bullshit lying…||
Based off the bullshit lying about crime statistics jack Eaton sounds like a turd of a human. That isn’t some honest mistake. He might be nice in person but that sort of bullshit rhetoric has destroyed communities, allowed for the prolongation of racist policies, and in general leads to terrible policy decisions that fail to improve public safety while also wasting money and destroying lives. He is either too stupid to realize the impact or callous enough to not care, either way he isn’t fit to be an elected official.
|07/02/2018 - 10:05pm||Evidence doesn't confirm my…||
Evidence doesn't confirm my obvious bias? Well fuck the data I couldn't possibly be wrong!
|07/02/2018 - 10:01pm||yay||
|07/02/2018 - 7:58pm||Brian is out here trying to…||
Brian is out here trying to create a little fiefdom of people who will just agree with anything he posts because political discussion that may include valuable dissenting opinions are not actually allowed and he is capable of posting coherent thoughts on topics people no little about. He is seemingly doing this to fulfill what has seemingly been a shadow dream of his of running for Michigan regent or local elected official despite his posts showing he has very little real understanding of government and how it operates and impacts people unless it very specifically impacts him (see the development and housing of ann arbor focus). Which is a common theme of people who claim to be mostly libertarian in politics (another theme is essentially "the I got mine everyone else can fuck off" mindset Brian mocks in this post because that is essentially what libertarian policy boils down to in practice.
Its his blog, he can post whatever he wants and he can ban whatever he wants. Just don't have too much respect for people who like to post things but aren't willing to debate them. And this is not a reaction to this post in particular, I do not live in Ann Arbor and thus have little knowledge of this race, but the point stands that its easy to make proclomations when nobody is allowed to dispute anything you say.
|07/01/2018 - 8:46am||To rank highly on this list…||
To rank highly on this list you have a fair number of games the numbers say you should lose. So guys like urban and Saban rank low because their teams aren’t dominating the other teams maybe once or twice a year whereas bill Snyder probably has 5 to 6 opportunities a year.
its the same reason Nick Saban doesn’t win coach of the year every year. It’s impossible to exceed expectations when you are the best.
|07/01/2018 - 8:41am||Guy posts article with clear…||
Guy posts article with clear methodology based on stats and info this site loves and respects. Most commenters see harbaugh might be cast in a slightly negative light, don’t bother to read article and proceed to trash it because they don’t like the outcome. Fun times.
|06/29/2018 - 3:49pm||Well since Michigan has a…||
Well since Michigan has a 2020 Belleville commit your unsubstantiated rumor sounds bullshit sour grapes.
the rumor I heard is that drevno didn’t like him (personally not football player wise) and just stopped recruiting him long before he was actually fired
|06/26/2018 - 1:00pm||Lol at being pro MSU. My…||
Lol at being pro MSU. My entire point is that I don't want to be MSU because I want us to do better than a ceiling of getting blasted bama, getting lucky to squeak by more talented team. There is a reason Michigan has better title odds than MSU this year, that most of this fanbase expects to beat them at their place despite the fact that they beat us last year and bring back more returning production and its because everybody knows they have a hard ceiling on their program. Emulating MSU or Wisconsin might be a nice way to win a big ten title or two over a decade but if we want to get to the point where we could expect to go 5-5 or 6-4 against osu over a 10 year period and win a national championship and be in the conversation multiple years we need to recruit like osu, bama, clemson, georgia.
Sure its unrealistic and not a level of success Michigan has ever truly had but we spend money like it is and as a blue blood its the ultimate goal. That's what people don't get, I'm not pro msu, I'm the Michigan fan every msu fan complains about for being arrogant and thinking we are better than them and that is what I expect out of Harbaugh and this program. I'm also willing to call it out when they aren't meeting those expectations. Doesn't mean I want him fired or think a better candidate is out there but we fucked up the last year coaching and recruiting wise and need a bounce back this year.
|06/26/2018 - 10:57am||The problem with this line…||
The problem with this line of thinking is that people discount when a guy wasn't the staffs top choice and still claim they trust the staff. Look at TE. The staff wanted Luke Deal, they didn't get him and that is when they went after All. They don't think he is the top TE in the country either but when you read comments on here its all "trust the staff he must be a great player". Sometimes players are second and third choices for the coaching staff too, and if you trust the coaching staff so much then you should trust their is a reason these guys were their third choices, and its probably for similar reasons these guys are 3 stars and not 4 or 5 stars.
|06/26/2018 - 9:46am||This is pretty much exactly…||
This is pretty much exactly a thread you would see on RCMB as they try to justify why it doesn't matter they can never turn on field success into improved recruiting.
|06/26/2018 - 9:43am||Also we consistently make…||
Also we consistently make fun of michigan state for not turning their success into better recruiting outcomes and would laugh at them for getting a guy ranked outside the top 500.
|06/26/2018 - 9:21am||The numbers that exist…||
The numbers that exist actually dispute this. In last years super bowl 39% of the starters were ranked at least 4 stars, or 2 out of every five players. Considering 1 out every 770 players is the rate of 4 or 5 stars it shows 4 and 5 stars are much more likely to be playing in the nfl. Just like they are much more likely to get drafted and get drafted in higher rounds. https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2018/1/23/16920720/super-bowl-2018-patriots-eagles-high-school-recruiting-ratings
Just like no team in college has ever won a national championship when at least over 50% of their roster wasn't at least 4 or 5 star recruits and had multiple years recruiting in the top 10 previous 4 years of the championship. This thread is a cute way to try to justify the average star rating of this class but literally all available evidence shows that final recruiting rankings matter. Teams with higher ranked guys win more and those guys perform better. It is what it is, star gazing is an accurate predictor, it doesn't mean a 5 star is guaranteed to be good or a 3 star can't be the best player in college football but it does mean over an 85 man roster if you are counting on more 3 stars to blossom than 4 or 5 stars you aren't winning a championship.
|06/25/2018 - 10:50pm||Did he also not want Logan…||
Did he also not want Logan Brown? Isaiah Wilson? Devery Hamilton? Nicholas Petit-Frere? Or is it more likely the guy just wasn't all that good at recruiting. Warinner seemed to want him which is why Michigan worked to recruit him and get back in it after Drevno left.
|06/25/2018 - 9:24pm||God drevno was such fucking…||
God drevno was such fucking trash
|06/25/2018 - 9:23pm||Fuck off. People may…||
Fuck off. People may complain about bluey but this is so much worse.
|06/25/2018 - 5:38pm||Jesus do you not remember…||
Jesus do you not remember people going into that 2015 game? I think we were a double digit favorite and Sam Webb was literally saying msu had no shot. There is a reason that team lost 38-0 against Bama and its because they weren't actually elite. Yes I believe Michigan was the better team, I watched that game and MSU took an offense with less pieces and stuck around in a game on the road in which they had a talent and experience defecit. Rudock still couldn't complete a deep ball to save his life at that point and our offense played the end of the game conservatively. Just like Harbaugh has played most of the big games conservatively except for osu this past year when he had nothing to lose and its been one of the bigger frustrations with him. At worst 2015 was a draw in terms of coaching performance, you can say 2016 was a win, and 2017 was a Dantonio win in terms of coaching. At worst they are 1-1-1 against each other in coaching and Dantonio has a big ten title and bcs bowl win. So once again, based on results I don't see why people are upset about this ranking. Its a ranking I think about 90% of non Michigan homer fans would agree with.
|06/25/2018 - 4:35pm||I love Moe and it was the…||
I love Moe and it was the right decision for him to go but I honestly don't know how he lasts in the NBA. He can't guard NBA 4's on the perimeter and he isn't even close to strong enough to handle 5's on the block. He doesn't have the speed to create his own shot at the 4 and doesn't have the post up game to make it work on the block against 4 or 5's. He is going to have to shoot 40% from 3 to even justify being a bench piece. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it at that level.
|06/25/2018 - 4:28pm||I was talking about 2015,…||
I was talking about 2015, not the one win we have. If you are going to be an asshole at least be an asshole with the smallest ability to comprehend what you are reading.
|06/25/2018 - 2:49pm||So Franklins 1-3 record is…||
So Franklins 1-3 record is indicative of him as a coach but Harbaugh's 0-3 and 1-2 record against osu and msu doesn't accurately reflect his value as a coach? Either wins and losses matter or they don't.
|06/25/2018 - 2:43pm||Hell you could make a better…||
Hell you could make a better argument that Chryst should be over Harbaugh than you can that Harbaugh should be over Dantonio.
|06/25/2018 - 2:42pm||Based off what results is it…||
Based off what results is it incorrect? Dantanio is 2-1 against him despite having the worse team all 3 years and twice on the road. And you can argue the endings were flukey or whatever you want but the point is MSU took a worse team and were within a td on the last play of the game in 2015 on the road and were up 14-0 before the rain this past year despite Michigan coming off a bye week. Harbaugh got outcoached in both of those games. I'd argue Harbaugh is a better coach than Franklin but Franklin does have a big ten championship and a bcs bowl win. Neither of which Harbaugh has. At a certain point you actually have to win to get ranked above those coaches, you can't be ranked off potential and close games with bounces not going your way.
|06/25/2018 - 2:36pm||Interesting in that the…||
Interesting in that the staff seemed to love him but unlike most Don brown guys he has actually dropped in the rankings since the offer and not risen. Based off his numbers seems more suited to safety play than a straight corner back.
Also there are "offers" and offers and it doesn't seem like Clemson and Georgia were really pushing at the time. Anyways should be interesting to see the movement of some of these players over the summer. How big is this class supposed to be? Filling up pretty quickly at this point.
|06/25/2018 - 1:26pm||I mean it'll be nice but…||
I mean it'll be nice but also short lived. They both have higher averages and are in on more "elite" level recruits. Same goes for penn state as well. Assuming a solid year on the field I would bet we finish somewhere between 8-10 and 3rd behind osu and psu in recruiting. If we have an elite/championship level year obviously anything is on the table and if we have another 8 win year I could see us losing both Herron and Hinton (I know Hinton seems extremely solid but there are rumors on the UGA message boards that a bad year from Michigan could provide an opening) so a long ways to go this year.
Also penn state is the negative recruiter but is also pushing the chance to help Franklin be the first black head coach to win a championship and its been an effective message. Expect Harrison is about 98% likely to pick osu so unless he's back on campus I wouldn't worry too much about him.
|06/25/2018 - 1:12pm||Probably under scouted…||
Probably under scouted. Highlight tapes can be extremely misleading and he might struggle against higher level competition, his hands might not be great. Being a a pure slot wr puts a cap on your ranking like being a 5'8 db does. Recruiting services are just missing on a guy are all possible explanations.
Or it could just be a well put together highlight tape that hides a fair amount of flaws and he isn't as good as it makes him look. Its not like being the 900th best high school football player in the country is a bad thing, that puts him in the top 1 percent of high school seniors so he is going to look good against his competition unless its literally the top teams in the country.
|06/25/2018 - 8:33am||This is a massive get. Great…||
This is a massive get. Great work from the staff this weekend
|06/24/2018 - 3:05pm||This recruiting class is…||
This recruiting class is going to finish below the "blue chip ratio" i.e. more than 50% of the class is below 4 star recruits. No team has ever won a championship with that. Any individual recruit isn't defined by their rankings but when most of your recruits are 3 stars its a greater chance you aren't recruiting well than unearthing literally nothing but diamonds in the rough.
|06/22/2018 - 10:29am||It would literally never end…||
It would literally never end. there are way too many territories and active fanbases would be impossible to eliminate.
|06/20/2018 - 10:11pm||The admissions office makes…||
The admissions office makes all kinds of concessions for sports. If these guys weren’t getting cleared it’s almost certainly for legit reasons because if it was possible to get them in, they’d be in.
|06/20/2018 - 3:40pm||Sure not every recruiting…||
Sure not every recruiting miss is a mistake but it seems like they fucked up the Dobbs recruitment and in general lost a year and half of in state recruiting momentum when they lost ty wheatley as an in-state ace and tried to backfill him with Drevno and Pep.