November 7th, 2023 at 3:14 PM ^
Beat to me it. Not surprised one bit on the teams. Two men who talk a big game but wilt under pressure
November 7th, 2023 at 3:25 PM ^
The two biggest douche bags in the B1G, without question.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^
I thought I was looking at my mother's old douchebag, but that's in Ohio.
--Booger Presley
November 7th, 2023 at 6:31 PM ^
Dudley Dawson…
November 7th, 2023 at 3:40 PM ^
Bert Bielema isn't too far behind.
November 7th, 2023 at 6:04 PM ^
Lame Brain James is right there with Burt!!!
November 7th, 2023 at 4:30 PM ^
you do know Bielema is in the league?
November 7th, 2023 at 4:59 PM ^
And one was our coach in waiting for 12 hours.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:13 PM ^
Yeh, we offered Greg the job, he said no, then came to his senses and said he really meant yes, but by that time we had moved on and were fully committed to Rich Rod. I've always thought that Schiano maintains an (unreasonable) resentment about that.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:44 PM ^
This does not surprise me one bit but it also explains why Tuff Day has not made a single comment regarding this mess. He is the douchiest of all douches. Schiano and his team are irrelevant and I am sure he picked up on all these signs during his days at OSU.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:15 PM ^
no surprise. For what it’s worth, ESPN doesn’t have any of the latest stuff on their site, except the usual slobber over Aaron Rodgers fest and mentions every top 5 school except UM in their CFP rundown. That place has really fallen off the Cliff. Pathetic.
November 7th, 2023 at 6:06 PM ^
Day did make a "no comment" when asked if he or osu turned in Michigan.
November 7th, 2023 at 6:23 PM ^
Gonna whoop that ass.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:45 PM ^
Purdue may have been intercepting Michigan signals. Ton of people on the Michigan sideline talking to security and pointing towards the press box
— Matt Blunk (@Matt_Blunk10) December 4, 2022
November 7th, 2023 at 5:01 PM ^
I don't understand why it's so hard to scramble signs. Have four people hold up signs all standing next to each other and have some duplicate, and have JJ have a wrist band to know which person is the correct sign based on the minute the sign is raised, and let players know in huddle.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:15 PM ^
Schianno, I thought I kind of liked you....no more.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:20 PM ^
This whole thing about several schools stealing Michigan's signs and sharing them with each other is illegal as well as unethical and needs to be fully investigated by the NCAA and the Big10 to get down to the bottom of who did what, when, where and how!!!!
November 7th, 2023 at 3:22 PM ^
Clearly both head coaches need to be suspended before any investigation is complete or anything demonstrating their direct involvement has been discovered.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:25 PM ^
Honestly at this point the BIG should just build its own prison to hold these coaches.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:34 PM ^
Is it clearly illegal? I mean it undercuts the whole competitive advantage worst thing that’s ever happened bullshit but I don’t think it’s been shown to clearly violate any rules
November 7th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^
You mean getting someone else to do advanced scouting to acquire another teams signals?
I heard something about that happening before.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:02 PM ^
How is using another team's staff to scout/steal signals in-person substantially differ from a Michigan staffer getting a friend to scout? It's effectively the same thing. The only difference is one used an iPhone.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:39 PM ^
For a group of people who spent two weeks arguing small technicalities of the rules you’d think small differences being material isn’t some shocking thought.
Paying someone to go do something is different than being provided information after the fact. It doesn’t matter for the outcome, which is why this undercuts the massive competitive advantage piece. But it is distinctly possible for the rules to exist in such a way where what stallions did breaks a rule but this doesn’t. If for example the argument against Michigan rests on the payments making those individuals personnel of the Michigan athletic department that would us be breaking a rule this doesn’t. It’s a technicality that shows the rule is dumb and pointless but it’s not some crazy concept
November 7th, 2023 at 4:49 PM ^
Hmmm.... Were you not arguing that UM did some crazy violation before the new news broke out? Now, you are playing the other side. Take your own advice and be consistent
November 7th, 2023 at 7:10 PM ^
I didn’t argue anything. I think what stallions did broke a rule and was distressingly stupid and also didn’t result in any meaningful competitive advantage
November 7th, 2023 at 5:07 PM ^
The minute details made it seem like buying or reviewing video from a third party is generally okay, but in-person scouting (which is distinct from merely capturing images or video) is prohibited. This is literally in-person scouting.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:25 PM ^
This is crazy talk...the payments were from Stallions not UM. So they were not employees of UM.
What a dumb take.
November 7th, 2023 at 5:26 PM ^
lol your logic is asinine. “It is distinctly possible for the rules to exist in such a way” <— ??? What is this supposed to mean? Are you saying vague rules should give everyone else the benefit of the doubt but not Michigan? We know what the rule in question is. Here’s the text:
11.6.1 Off-Campus, In-Person Scouting Prohibition. Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaws 11.6.1.1 and 11.6.1.2.
Nowhere does it mention anything about payment. If a Rutgers staffer gave info on Michigan’s signs to OSU, after Rutgers played Michigan, the Rutgers staffer is clearly acting as an advance in-person scout on behalf of Ohio State. Whether there is an exchange of money or a quid pro quo is irrelevant. As it pertains to the Big Ten, the issue in question is an even more nebulous clause about sportsmanship. There is absolutely zero defense in saying what Stalions did was unsportsmanlike but what our opponents did was A-okay.
November 7th, 2023 at 6:26 PM ^
Can't have it both ways.
Is it letter of the law? Or is it the spirit of "sportsmanship"?
If it's the letter of the law, Connor Stalions did not provably attend games in person. Michigan is not guilty of anything.
If it is the spirit of "sportsmanship", then Big Ten opponents colluding against Michigan by giving curated scouting to Michigan's future opponents is far worse than Connor Stalions hiring rubes that leave at halftime because it's raining.
Which is it?
The correct answer is to drop this nonsense and false outrage, have Michigan pay its parking ticket, and shut up and take your beating.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:37 PM ^
Sportsmanship clause? Why have it if this doesn't violate it.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:59 PM ^
As other people have stated, The Big Ten works under its own set of rules. They have demonstrated that in their attempted destruction of Coach Harbaugh. I would think that this would be a definite violation of the Sportsmanship Clause.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:59 PM ^
As other people have stated, The Big Ten works under its own set of rules. They have demonstrated that in their attempted destruction of Coach Harbaugh. I would think that this would be a definite violation of the Sportsmanship Clause.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:40 PM ^
Apparently the sportsmanship clause ONLY applies to Jim Harbaugh
November 7th, 2023 at 3:37 PM ^
This is pretty rich coming from you.
Why don't you just say, "The Big Ten conference doesn't think it's illegal, only you crazy people on this blog think that. You're all wrong."
At least then your line of reasoning would be consistent.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:42 PM ^
It's not illegal unless it breaks laws. Breaking a stupid NCAA rule is not illegal.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
I've seen players get arrested for "illegal use of hands to the face." It's 10 yards and 15 years.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:16 PM ^
Well, whether it is illegal or not, who cares. You didn't care when you were commenting on UM's side last week. Double standard.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:58 PM ^
What's good for the goose....
November 7th, 2023 at 3:59 PM ^
JUB...of course rules were broken. If it is against the rules for Stallions to have friends who attend a game in person scout signs based on that in-person attendance....then it is also against the rules for Walters' friends (Schiano and Day) do the same based on their attendance at UM-RU and UM-OSU games. If anything, it is even worse because it is collusion, which is pretty low sportsmanship.
November 7th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^
It's an equal violation of sportsmanship ethics.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:51 PM ^
Didn't Dantonio do something similar with Saban in preparation to play us? or was it vice versa?
November 7th, 2023 at 4:59 PM ^
Alabama came up to EL before the 2012 game at Jerryworld to get intel on how to contain Denard
November 7th, 2023 at 5:25 PM ^
I find it hard to believe that Alabama and MSU shut off communications as MSU was going to play us a month or two later.
Either way, I would file that one in the bin of suspicious advanced scouting relationships.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:21 PM ^
This is collusion, plain and simple
November 7th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
Definition of...at least Stalion, even if you want to call it UM was doing the leg work of finding scouts and studying the phone video..these assholes were sharing info game to game and piling on together..bunch of fucking dorks in the showers slapping each other with wet towels.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^
Dammit Greg, you were doing so well..
November 7th, 2023 at 3:17 PM ^
He addresses where I think we all are now. The Stalions thing likely means we get a a punishment of some kind because, well, it is an issue. But the competitive advantage argument is gone.
November 7th, 2023 at 3:21 PM ^
Yeah, the "not clear if rules were broken" part is pretty telling. Michigan would've leaked the rule broken if they were confident. Alternatively, they could say 'unclear' if it's to the same degree or under the same purview as the Stalions infractions as a way to say ' they did the same thing and we're not admitting guilt'