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12/11/2018 - 10:39am I think that Wahooverine's…

I think that Wahooverine's points above are excellent and just want to expand on a few of them further.

I think Matthews' offensive numbers are a little depressed because he is much used when the called play breaks down and the clock is winding down.  He is our best option in that case, and his combination of driving and fade-away shot (which is unblockable) is a relatively high percentage option (given other options with only a few seconds left).  Much better than Simpson (who can't shoot) or anyone else that has creating open shots on their own.

Matthews' step-up 3 point shot is much improved from last year, and is a decent option when open.  So a usage of around 20 or a little more is probably about right for him.  I just wish that Simpson could shoot open jumpers a little better. 

12/08/2018 - 10:04am I saw the Army - Navy game…

I saw the Army - Navy game at JFK Stadium (next to the Spectrum and Veteran's Stadium, was demolished 1992) in Philadelphia back in the very early 1970's.  The stadium was a dump and you sat on old wooden benches that gave you splinters.  The weather was dreary and cold, but it was quite memorable.  It was definitely old school, even for the day.  

12/02/2018 - 4:05pm Definitely should hang a…

Definitely should hang a banner right after the celebratory parade down Main Street and placement of the co-division trophy in the trophy case.

11/27/2018 - 1:21pm I am just in awe that you…

I am just in awe that you have been able to complete these "on time" every week(particularly this one) and reply to comments.  These are so well done and entertaining.

I also don't really know about Patterson returning or not.  I think he could benefit, and I don't think he will go real high in the draft, so there is upside.  But I also think there is significant risk (the obvious being injuries, but also he is not guaranteed to starting job as McCaffrey does involve himself more in the running game, as you would like a QB to do).

As for the bowl game, I am most interested what transpires with he team.  I think just about anything could happen. 

11/27/2018 - 8:15am This is very interesting…

This is very interesting.

Back in the Llyod Carr days Michigan was know as playing a lot of varieties of zone and never press coverage.  Michigan had great athletes, and it was fundamentally well played, and resulted in the look of a bend-but-don't-break defense.  It required an offense to run a lot of plays successfully to get a score.  But good QBs would carve up that defense.  Games would often result in only 8 possessions for each team rather than 11 or 12.  More variance that way, and thus more potential for upsets.

For years, people (including me) were clamoring for press, man to man coverage.  We had the athletes, and would result in both more 3 and outs and big plays.  But it also would give Michigan more possessions, thus giving the better team a better chance of winning. 

The problem is both approaches, if run virtually exclusively (say 80% or more of the time) are quite vulnerable.  It also seems that Ohio State's offense is designed to defeat a man-to-man coverage.  I don't think that is by accident, and while it might cause some problems with other, lesser opponents, it pays huge dividends when they play Michigan.  Ohio State gives up something here; being less dominant over the lesser teams in the conference (unlike Michigan).

Obviously running multiple defenses is difficult as you have to run all of them well.  But I think running a number of different defenses well is better than running 1 great and the others sub-standard or not at all.         

I guess my point above is if your game plan consists of running variations of man coverage (with very little mix up of zone), any in-game adjustments against a team designed to dissect man coverages would be of such minimal impact as to be akin to rearranging the deck chairs of the Titanic.

11/26/2018 - 10:01pm Defensive Summary:


Defensive Summary:

  • Game plan going in was bad
  • Brown made quick adjustments and then extensive adjustments at half; the game snow balled on him though
  • OSU was extremely well prepared. They knew what parts of their core playbook they would start with, and understood Michigan's checks and adjustments and were consistently step-for-step with anything Brown threw at them
  • Pressure didn't get home, to small degree there was a schematic reason (to protect against the run), but mostly was about execution on OSU's part.
  • The rest was an attempt to put whipped cream on shit.
11/26/2018 - 9:45pm Since we can't seem to beat…

Since we can't seem to beat our rival in Ohio State, rather than moving to the Big Ten West why don't we just go full retard and move to the MAC West?

11/26/2018 - 3:41pm Well, here's my explanation…

Well, here's my explanation.

France, May 1940

After watching the disaster that was The Game on Saturday and trying understand how such a catastrophe could befall the football team, something kept nagging at me.  I had seen this before, read about it.  But where?

The problems with the team just wasn’t with the defense.  It wasn’t just the problems with the lack of pressure of the defense.  It wasn’t with the poor execution, underthrown balls and dropped passes.  It wasn’t with playing Gil and Furbush in situations where they just didn’t have the speed to execute their assignment.  It wasn’t waiting for new wrinkles of plays that never came.  With such an outlier to expectations (I wasn’t really expecting a win, but at least a competitive game), a single simple explanation is usually insufficient.  It was all of the above problems, and more.

It didn’t come to me until this morning that what was nagging at me was a book I read about 20 years ago entitled Military Misfortunes:  The Anatomy of Failure in War by Eliot A. Cohen and John Gooch (The Free Press, 1990).  The premise of the book is fairly simple, that military failure are caused by one of 3 fairly simple things, or a combination of them, and it provides a case study for each.  Thus, there is a “failure to learn” (the case study was the US antisubmarine campaign of 1942, where the US failed to implement the lessons Great Britain had learned the previous year and a half), a “failure to anticipate” (the Israeli defense of the Suez and Golan Heights in 1973), and a “failure to adapt” (the British’ Gallipoli Campaign from February 1915 – January 1916). 

Obviously, from history we know that experiencing one of these types of failures doesn’t ensure overall failure.  Militaries can recover from one such failure, and even 2 of them, as can football teams.

The authors termed “aggregate failure” when 2 of these failures occur at once.   The case study used was one of failure to learn and failure to anticipate:  the US Eight Army in Korea when they approached the Yalu River and the North Korean/China border in October of 1950, resulting in direct Chinese intervention.

The authors then describe “catastrophic failure”, when all 3 failures occur at once.  Well, that brings us to France, May of 1940.  The French failed to learn the lessons of Poland and the role of concentrated armored in the form of armored divisions and speed of mechanization (the first case of SEC “speed kills”?), combined forces effect (air with ground forces) and the importance of real-time communication at the front.  The French failed to anticipate that the Germans would actually decide not to beat their collective heads against the Maginot Line and by-pass it through the Ardennes.  And they failed to adapt when it was clear after several days that the Germans had broken through and that the armies in the north of France and Low Countries were threatened by being cut off.  The French’ fate was sealed.

Which brings us to Michigan in Columbus, Ohio, November 24, 2018.  Not only did Michigan play the role of the French in that game, they were full of fail and went “full French.” 

Never go “full French.” 

In the terms of the book applied to football, I would figure that “failure to learn” would be something akin to failure to learn from the years’ film what Ohio State liked to do, and address them with appropriate solutions.  So, for example, it was clear from past games that Ohio State likes to do long crossing routes, or “mesh,” as described by Seth in FFF Ohio State 2018 Offense.  An indication of failure to learn would be an inability to actually have a viable plan to address the things the other side likes to do. 

Likewise, in terms of football, “Failure to anticipate” could be failing to anticipate weaknesses on your team that the other team will likely try to exploit.  This could be the obvious lack of push in the pass rush that Michigan’s DTs have been unable to generate during the season, their lack of speed with LBs not named Bush, or knowing that their secondary/passing defense has not been tested due to the schedule and the hurt QBs the team had faced.  Or on offense, Michigan’s unwillingness to open up the passing game on first down and thus trying to put Michigan in repeated 2nd and 3rd and long by stuffing the running game that is Michigan’s preference.  

Failure to anticipate should also include preparation during the year to address what Ohio State does on both sides of the ball.  Failure to incorporate and play better zone coverage.  I think in order to beat a loaded team like Ohio State a defense would have to be multiple.  It just seemed to me that a QB like Haskins, given the time he had in the pocket, had too many simple reads.  And this wasn’t new to Michigan during the season as Haskins carved up Michigan’s defense in the 2nd half of last year’s game.  I just don’t know how the defense could look so unprepared for their passing attack give all of the data.

Finally, the football equivalent to “Failure to adapt” would be in-game and half time adjustments.  Michigan was incredibly lucky to be down only a 5 at half time and the 3rd quarter went like it did.   Gill was in.  I even saw Furbush in (and he wasn’t blitzing).  Offensively, Michigan began to try to exploit Ohio State’s weaknesses by opening it up and passing more on early downs.  But by then, it was too little, too late. 

But this has been a trademark of Michigan football since Bo arrived in 1969.  Michigan is going to do what they want to do, and not what the opponent is bad at.  How many times have we seen Michigan play a Michigan State team that had a horrible secondary that the rest of the Big Ten abuses?  I can think of once, and we learned that it doesn’t go so well in a trash tornado (ugghh, a total failure to adapt to the damn weather).

The coaching staff is doing something wrong, clearly, and Ohio State’s is doing something right.  But Michigan’s coaching staff is doing A LOT RIGHT.  This team was better than any coached by Hoke (low bar, I know).  Better than any coached by Rodriguez (I let the reader decide whether that is a lower bar or not).  It was favored against Ohio State, in Columbus.  By 5, and there was a lot of reasons (misplaced or not) for that.  What Michigan team in the past 15 would have been favored against this Ohio State team?  One, maybe 2?  And would they have won?  I don’t know, but I sure wouldn’t bet on it. 

They say that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result.  I certainly don’t think Jim Harbaugh is crazy, and that this “event” will really make the coaching staff step back and re-evaluate their approach and preparation for this game.  If they don’t, then they will indeed be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.   


11/24/2018 - 7:59pm It isn't just this game. …

It isn't just this game.  Michigan plays poorly in the game most years since the millennium.  And when they don't, they lose anyway. 

This game was just more of the same, only more so.  No point having a temper tantrum over it.

11/24/2018 - 7:09pm I don't know.  Since the 3rd…

I don't know.  Since the 3rd quarter, I've given it a bit of thought...

Since Tressell arrived at OSU, Michigan has had different head coaches, different coordinators, assistants, different schemes... but the same result in the game.  Michigan has a systematic disadvantage to Ohio State.  We split the state of Michigan with MSU whereas Ohio State has a better recruiting ground all to themselves.  Michigan is also not going to get into the more unseemly aspects of recruiting and academics.

Michigan is Ohio State's top rival, Michigan State's top rival, Notre Dame's top rival.  Michigan gets just about everyone's top effort.

Michigan doesn't have the talent to devote a ton of time each week to Ohio State and still beat that week's opponent with ease.  Every year it seems Michigan sees an entirely different OSU team than what is on film the prior 11 games.  They have 2 game plans; one for the first 11 opponents, and 1 for Michigan.  Michigan just can't do that without losing 2-3 other games (and they would still probably lose to OSU).  Ohio State can.

This game, like many others (except last year) wasn't Michigan playing poorly; it was OSU playing really well.  A totally different team that played Maryland, Nebraska, and Purdue.  This seems to happen almost every year, and it has to be the way they are able to approach the game.

11/24/2018 - 8:42am Easily the most memorable…

Easily the most memorable punt-counterpunts ever.

There was a Vietnam movie once where it had a most famous quote was "I love the smell of [?] in the morning."

11/23/2018 - 8:50pm Chattanooga doesn't warrant…

Chattanooga doesn't warrant a box score of their own?

I kind of wanted to look over the defensive numbers.

11/23/2018 - 6:10pm All I can think of is in…

All I can think of is in 2006 Troy Smith, who I didn't think could hit the side of a barn with the ball, turned into Joe Montana - I now expect Dwayne Haskins end up running like Denard Robinson tomorrow. 

BPONE I guess.

11/16/2018 - 7:26am Minor correction - Maryland…

Minor correction - Maryland is 3-4 (and not 2-5) in conference play (but still 5-5 overall).

11/13/2018 - 11:04am Unless of course the story…

Unless of course the story is bullshit.  Which a lot of current and ex-players are saying (Austin Mack, Paris Campbell, Johnnie Dixon, etc.).

11/13/2018 - 10:52am If you go to Zach Smith's…

If you go to Zach Smith's twitter he is retweeting a lot of players saying the incident never happened.  They make a lot of good points, particularly that the other black players would not have put up with it or Zach Smith if it did actually happen. 

11/12/2018 - 2:42pm I hope he is going to be…

I hope he is going to be Alabama's new Defensive Coordinator.

11/05/2018 - 8:16pm All pads, but technology…

All pads, but technology probably makes the smaller ones more effective.  Its all about speed.

I'm also guessing no one has worn a cup in decades (both NFL and NCAA).  Again, all about speed and avoiding getting a direct hit.

11/05/2018 - 6:19pm Yeah, the things Brian…

Yeah, the things Brian listed were cosmetic and have no impact on the rest of the season.  Losing the shutout was just a loss of a feel-good thing.  

To me it was clear that McCaffrey was a viable replacement for Patterson, with little negative impact on the effectiveness in the offense.  I'm not as sure that is the case with Peters.  

11/05/2018 - 1:47pm I would have thought the…

I would have thought the Marcus Hall Epic Double Bird of the Week for the Worse thing ever would have gone to Dylan McCaffrey's broken collarbone. 

11/04/2018 - 5:33pm With Purdue being the best…

With Purdue being the best team in the conference. 

Says Marcus Ray and nobody else.

10/30/2018 - 10:03pm I guess I don't get a lot of…

I guess I don't get a lot of the logic here. 

Or course we want Northwestern to beat Notre Dame.  Not only dose Michigan has a chance to be ranked ahead of an 8-1 Notre Dame team, but that ND team has a lot better chance to be a 10-2 Notre Dame team than a 9-0 Notre Dame team.

10/27/2018 - 2:41pm My freshman year.  Went to…

My freshman year.  Went to the game, was totally dejected by the tie when we had the ball at around mid-field with a few seconds left and Bo called timeout (IIRC).  Left to beat the crowd as I had studying to do.  Saw every play but one, and heard the roar when I was passing the gates.

10/26/2018 - 7:02pm I'm tired of these Marcus…

I'm tired of these Marcus Ray threads.

10/23/2018 - 3:03pm My initial impressions:


My initial impressions:

  1. I think this is the most interesting question of all of them.  To me, Shea Patterson does not look NFL ready.  At 6'-2" he's a little small by NFL standards (that's not going to change, obviously), has a lot of problems with zone coverage and has happy feet in the pocket.  Compared to what Michigan has had in the past 10 years he's great, but that's a low hurdle to clear.  McCaffrey has looked as good or better than Patterson in short duty, and given Harbaugh's philosophy of competition (includes Milton and Peters), it isn't a given that Patterson will be the starter when the season opens in 2019.  So it might not be a bad idea for Paterson to take his chances on the NFL at the end of this season.
  2. Assuming that Gary is also leaving for the NFL, and given the way Don Brown likes to rotate in DL's, Uche is going to have to see a lot of time on the field.  He might not see 50% of snaps, but it will probably be close.
  3. I think Patterson should get all of the meaningful snaps he can... so with Rutger, that's probably just the 1st half.
  4. I have a feeling that Frost is going to build Nebraska to something around what they were under Pelini, which was pretty good.  Doing that at Minnesota would be the first time in about 70 years.  I also seems that Frost has a good comradery with his players.
10/21/2018 - 9:55am If the MSU players don't…

If the MSU players don't wear their helmets when they do their field walk prior to home games, but did in this instance, then its pretty clear they were trying to incite fighting. 

This wasn't just gamesmanship, it was potentially a dangerous situation, and Dantonio was there and a part of it.

This should absolutely not be tolerated and the league office should look into it.  But yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath.

10/21/2018 - 9:26am Instead, why doesn't your…

Instead, why doesn't your MSU staffer teach the MSU coaching staff to fucking tell time?

10/19/2018 - 11:18am Rutger is Attack of the…

Rutger is Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.  They're all red, bad and stupid.  This is how the movie ends (per Wikipedia):

The tomatoes are cornered in a stadium. "Puberty Love" is played over the loudspeaker, causing the tomatoes to shrink and allowing the various people at the stadium to squash them by stomping on them repeatedly.

If that isn't a description of a Rutger football game, I don't know what is.

10/12/2018 - 5:03pm Doesn't Penn State have a…

Doesn't Penn State have a Dean Woermer to tell him that fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life????

10/12/2018 - 5:00pm What is Penn State's record…

What is Penn State's record in Ann Arbor the last, oh, 20 years?


I don't think anyone is going to have a good time in a town or bar after being (or anticipating being) bludgeoned [or insert humorous phrase] in front of 110,000 people and a nationally televised audience.

10/09/2018 - 8:27pm You do understand that a…

You do understand that a post on a blog called 11 Warriors has little to no correlation as to whether the OSU football team and staff is complacent, don't you?

I really don't think that 11 Warriors is ANY reflection of the attitudes and work ethics of the football team nor staff.

09/27/2018 - 10:49am Put it in a Rocket Mortgage…

Put it in a Rocket Mortgage rocket and fire it at the sun.

09/25/2018 - 10:47am Well, at least you didn't…

Well, at least you didn't write $uckeyes or worse, $uckeye$.

09/24/2018 - 11:37am Shouldn't the Ambry Thomas…

Shouldn't the Ambry Thomas wildcat package be named "Tomcat" and not be using the Peppers' "Pepcat" nickname?

09/23/2018 - 10:51am After yesterday's game the…

After yesterday's game the only thing I'm scared about is how much damage Nebraska's butt did to our foot.

09/21/2018 - 1:40pm Michigan doesn't take…

Michigan doesn't take advantage (yet again) of the other teams defense selling out to stop the run, struggles to move the ball in 1st quarter, but wins 24-13

09/17/2018 - 9:54pm Thanks, I don't think I…

Thanks, I don't think I could've come up with that myself.

09/12/2018 - 10:42am As I recall, Michigan did…

As I recall, Michigan did have SMU scheduled for a game in 1987, but due to the death penalty, they couldn't play the game. 

Michigan was then able to replace SMU with UNLV, but prior to the year, UNLV decided that the money wouldn't be worth the beating that they'd receive.  They asked Michigan if they could drop the game, and Michigan relented under the condition that UNLV find a replacement.  

Hence Long Beach State, the day Bo called the worse game/day of his life in one of his books.  An uninspired Michigan team beat them 49-0. 

09/12/2018 - 10:34am It seems to me that the…

It seems to me that the people who are too young to have gone through the Moeller years seem to romanticize about them.  Moeller took over a stacked, very well-coached Michigan football team and promised to "open up" the offense. 

The further removed from Bo his teams were, the poorer they were in fundamentals.  I particularly remember how the team got increasingly worse at blocking and tackling, a staple of Bo's teams.  There was little in the way of game planning and play calling to offset the decline in fundamentals. 

1993 and 1994 were very disappointing years, and there was nothing to indicate that things would improve with the team.  Moeller knew it and felt the pressure leading up to the event that resulted in his resignation.  Few people felt confident in the future prospects of the program at the time under him - there was absolutely no groundswell for the university to retain him.

Moeller's record as head coach didn't inspire much confidence either, despite Bo's support.  Moeller's record at Illinois:

Year  Overall  Big Ten

1977      3-8     2-6

1978   1-8-2    0-6-2

1979   2-8-1    1-6-1

[The previous coach at Illinois Bob Blackman, went 29-36-1 from 1971-1976, with a 5-6 record in 1976] 

As far as I know, Moeller was never offered a college head coaching job again (although he did serve as interim head coach of the Lions once).  I think that says something.

There is nothing about Moeller's teams' performance that makes me think that they would have performed a well as Lloyd Carr's, let alone better.  And Carr was a great representative of the university.

09/09/2018 - 8:46pm And...….
You're both right??…


You're both right????

09/09/2018 - 12:12pm The first line of this "rant…

The first line of this "rant" should be in place of the lame and irrelevant "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't activate that brand" line below the banner.  

Yeah, probably wouldn't be a good move business-wise given it would offend too large of the readership.

09/05/2018 - 11:04am With posts like this maybe…

With posts like this maybe you should consider changing your user name.  If you can't come up with one, I'm sure a number of posters could make a few suggestions.

09/05/2018 - 10:52am I'm sure this was brought up…

I'm sure this was brought up by others, but I'll take a shot with my understanding.

They (they being Brian) wanted all of the old functionality, but they wanted the site converted to something that is current supported, rather than the version of Drupal that was being used.  They had priorities

  1. All of the old posts going back to 2008 and even before had to be converted.  I'm guessing this dictated that the new site was going on the current Drupal platform.  This was the top priority.
  2. Get the switch over prior to the football season - the 2017 football season.  That failed, so they were not going to fail to get it out prior to the 2018 football season.
  3. Any functionality that is lacking will be likely be added after the 2018 football season as they are too buys during this time to deal with changes.

Yes, the new site is less functional but is more stable and can handle the times of high traffic better.  The various bells and whistles that made the old site really good will hopefully be added in the winter/spring of 2019. 

09/03/2018 - 9:04pm The criticisms that Braylon…

The criticisms that Braylon Edwards leveled at Ruiz and Patterson could have been made at Braylon when he was their age.  He sure as hell dropped a lot of passes back in the day, and was himself criticized for it in the press.  It wasn't right then, and it isn't right now.

I think Braylon Edwards should take his own advise and step up his own game, both as an alum as well as a person. 

09/03/2018 - 3:59pm That's strange, I always…

That's strange, I always assumed that twitter was trash because they were drinking.

Perhaps I need to re-evaluate.

09/03/2018 - 2:58pm I watch a number of Stanley…

I watched a number of Stanley Edwards' games at Michigan Stadium.  Really good running back and Bo really seemed to like him (and Larry Ricks, who always ran through the hole with BOTH HANDS on the ball). 

Seemed like a really good guy on some really good teams.    

09/03/2018 - 2:33pm RE: the tweet of "nunya" …

RE: the tweet of "nunya"  Bench Runyan.  Bench JBB. 

I just don't get it, who are you going to put in, the bench? 

Sometimes your cards are what they are.  Sometimes you just have to play Nick Sheridan. 

If that is all you have, bitching about it isn't going to change it.  And bitching about it becomes just shitting on the players.

09/03/2018 - 2:12pm I know its his.  I am just…

I know its his.  I am just surprised that someone that attended and was on the team would refer to "Big Blue."  You rarely hear that, and always (until now, I guess) from someone not previously affiliated with the university.

Perhaps the official site of the athletic department should change their URL address to and this site should be named 

09/03/2018 - 2:04pm Is this actually a guy who…

Is this actually a guy who went to, let alone played football, for Michigan?

Can’t blame John O’korn, or Wilton Speight, or Jake Rudock anymore. Notre Dame was prepared for what Michigan does and executed accordingly. Time for some self evaluation big blue!!!

Big blue?   Big fucking blue?  Really?

09/03/2018 - 1:43pm The Edwards' tweets and the…

The Edwards' tweets and the various controversies regarding the "endowment" of the #1 jersey (how'd that happen anyway, Anthony Carter asks) just isn't worth it.  

The Athletic Department should just say thanks, but no thanks, and send his donation back to him. 

The costs of his donation(s) just aren't worth it.  A university with an endowment of billions doesn't need this garbage for the relative pittance.