[Patrick Barron]

Spring Bits: Defense Comment Count

Brian April 16th, 2019 at 1:18 PM

Previously: offense.

A word about format

This seems to happen in year three or four every time: after a brief introductory burst of spring game optimism the thing degrades until it's the barely-tolerated Lloyd-era relic. Remember Harbaugh's first spring game? The one that came down to a contested two-point conversion that got reviewed on the scoreboard?

…the white team poured onto the field like they'd just won the Super Bowl and blue team coach Chris Partridge roared off the sideline to have a Harbaugh-level conniption fit at the ref.

A couple other coaches reacted similarly, if not as dramatically, as Partridge; the white team organized at midfield for a photo. Wyatt Shallman headbanged like there was no tomorrow. Drake Johnson collapsed in a heap.

I tweeted to Ace that he should title the recap "Controversial finish mars Spring Game ending,"* because that was funny. It's only funny because it's kind of true.

This is a different thing now. Last year's team was good but it was still caught between being a program that apologizes for a tent stake and a program whose DGAF levels are off the charts. Judging from the reactions of everyone involved on both sides, the all-competition-all-the-time ethos has sunk in. That more than anything else makes me anticipate the upcoming season.

There were rappists! We got pictures of them:

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My rap name is Medium Wayne. Dunno what this guy's rap name is. Steve? [Eric Upchurch]

This year we kicked off with 20 minutes of drills. There was a 12 minute halftime in which nothing happened. Score was not kept. I don't know how it ended because after three hours and change I saw Not Cade McNamara come out and decided that I'd had all the data I was going to get. Last year's spring game was flat-out cancelled instead of being moved a day or a week.

I'm pretty used to Michigan football going out of its way to be unfriendly to its fans but… yikes. When your spring game is untelevisable that says something. Do you know the things they put on TV these days? There's a show called "God Friended Me"! They'll put anything on. But not Michigan's spring game type substance.

Long way from the early days of Harbaugh to this place where douchy guys buy messages to fly over the stadium. And find some way to televise hockey FFS.

[After THE JUMP: I have concerns]

Remain calm?

This was not previous spring games where the offense did zilch because they had wolves at their door on every play, but the defense held its own decently. And the nominal starting defense that was put out there was missing several key components. They were down Josh Ross and Lavert Hill, likely to be the best players at LB and CB. Likely DT starter Mike Dwumfour participated in drill but not the scrimmage. CMU transfer Mike Danna, the likely starting WDE, is not enrolled yet.

But when you strip Nico Collins and DPJ away from the offense you've got Martin, Bell, Black, and Sainristil looking capable. Yoink those defensive players and certain spots look hairy.

Defensive line

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Shaun Nua might have some more side eye moments this year [Barron]

Defensive end is going to be fine as long as Mike Danna translates reasonably well. His out of this world PFF grades were largely against MAC competition and they appear to grade like I do, so they're not opponent-adjusted. But lower leagues occasionally spit out a dude at any competition level and Danna has the profile of one.

That should push Kwity Paye and Aidan Hutchinson into the anchor spot together with Josh Uche and—fingers crossed—Luiji Vilain backing up Danna. I have some concerns about Paye's pass rush, but that's a solid two-deep with no freshmen and many established contributors.

FWIW, Michigan only used Uche as a passing-down linebacker and only deployed three-man lines on passing downs.

As far as the individual performers, no one stood out in a Hurst fashion. This is in part because the OL wasn't giving anyone a free pass into the backfield. Closer inspection of many spectacular DL plays from past spring games has revealed a guy who simply wasn't blocked. When that doesn't happen you have to earn it, and they didn't really. The occasional pressure the offense suffered was almost always delivered by a blitz.

Hutchinson did give Mayfield the business in drill time. FWIW. Hutchinson flashed talent as a true freshman and should make a big leap forward in year two. Paye may also have an ignite button to press. There are enough bullets in the chamber here to expect a hit.

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Michigan might have to play a true FR like Mazi Smith (#58) [Fuller]

Defensive tackle… well. I focused on Donovan Jeter intermittently. He was able to survive against Ruiz/Bredeson/Onwenu. This is an accomplishment; several Big Ten DLs are going to get clonked by those guys this fall. Jeter was limited to holding up against the run and occupying blockers against the pass, though. He was more of a Mone space-eater type than a penetration threat. He's the nose tackle here:

This was a little better as the DT to the bottom of the screen; he's able to drive the pocket a little and might get a PBU on a different pass.

Maybe he's able to push the pocket more against dudes under 350 pounds, but I don't see a bunch of TFLs in his future.

So the situation at DT is probably this:

  • Jeter and Carlo Kemp, two guys who are fine against the run and offer next to no pass rush.
  • Mike Dwumfour, who's potentially in the Hurst vein as a rusher but got knocked on his ass on every other run play last year.
  • True freshmen and a converted fullback.

Maybe one of the three veterans takes a leap and becomes a complete player, maybe one of the freshmen is immediately ready to be a rotation piece. Maybe neither of those things happen and things get gross.

I made a comparison between the seven man DL class of two years ago and Hoke's giant bust of a six-man OL class that drew some objection because Michigan does look like they'll get a player or two out of it. They will indeed, but the situation Michigan is left in is the same: shorthanded and looking towards true freshmen to stem the bleeding. That class:

  • Corey Malone-Hatcher medically retired more or less on arrival.
  • Aubrey Solomon, Deron Irving-Bey, and James Hudson transferred.
  • Luiji Vilain spent his first two years injured and is only now getting back healthy.
  • Phil Paea bounced from DL to OL and back to DL and only got walk-on time in the scrimmage.
  • Jeter and Paye are tracking as contributors.

Not quite as bad as the Hoke disaster OL class, which got one season of starting time from Patrick Kugler and was otherwise a total washout. But the overall picture is similar. Hudson is particularly frustrating because while moving him to OL made all the sense in the world at the time he had a great Willie-Henry-ish senior year as a DL and would certainly have gotten enough time to keep him engaged at DT.

Anyway. Time to make chicken salad.

Linebacker

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Gil: still Gil [Fuller]

With Ross out, Jordan Anthony got the snaps with the ones next to Devin Gil and looked like a reasonable Devin Bush facsimile. He had a sack on a blitz up the middle that got home in a flash and was close to a couple more. Gil looked like Gil. Maybe a little more decisive, but it was hard to tell with the DTs getting pushed back a bit on many plays.

Cam McGrone played a fair amount with the twos but lasted deep into walk-on time. Hard not to take that as a sign that he's not as close to a breakthrough as I'd hoped. He did have a few nice plays sprinkled in there; he had some productive edge rushes… or edge rushes that would have been productive if the DTs were able to collapse the pocket more.

At viper, Hudson is Hudson and Glasgow is Glasgow. The interesting guy there is redshirt freshman Michael Barrett, who was a thumping presence when he entered. Walk-on time was more live contact than the rest of the scrimmage. Barrett took advantage of that to deliver a series of zero-YAC hits.

Coverage is an open question with him. His interception of Milton was a perfectly fine zone drop that Milton did not see. I'm not sure if he can carry TEs down the seam and the like. Hudson and Glasgow look like safeties. Barrett looks like a linebacker. It was in fact really easy to get Barrett and Uche mixed up because they're both #6 and at first glance are not obviously dissimilar body types. Barrett was already listed at 224 last year, which points more towards MLB than viper if any pounds get added.

With the two seniors in front of him Barrett's time is going to be limited; he's the slight leader to take the reins at viper next year.

Cornerback

Another spot where Michigan's lack of depth is a little worrying. Lavert Hill and Ambry Thomas should be one of the better starting pairs in the league and maybe the nation. In Hill's absence, though, Vincent Gray got pushed into the starting lineup. He's the guy who got torched by Martin on the called-back TD, and that jam whiff was comprehensive:

Gemon Green's time was most notable for getting dusted by Black…

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[Bryan Fuller]

…and Myles Sims, the top-ranked CB from last year's class, was not even dressed. Jalen Perry, the early-enrolled four star in this year's class, got dusted a couple times himself.

I'm probably paranoid about third corners because of last year's Ohio State game, but… last year's Ohio State game. It doesn't look like Michigan is going to be able to field a third CB who's in the same range as Hill and Thomas athletically, unless they just say "screw it" and go with Dax Hill there and bring in a safety as their fifth DB.

About that…

Safety

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second team D: walk-on Tyler Cochran at safety [Barron]

In a word: disconcerting. Josh Metellus is established as a pretty good Big Ten player so spring game data is to be taken with a grain of salt; still a bit ominous that he overran crossing routes twice to turn modest gains into big ones. With Kelly-Powell's move to corner the contenders to keep Dax Hill's seat warm were J'Marick Woods, Brad Hawkins, and walk-ons. Sammy Faustin did not make an appearance and IIRC neither did German Green.

Tyler Cochran, pictured above, and fellow walk-on Hunter Reynolds appeared to be the second string safety pairing. Reynolds has been garnering a little chatter inside the program, and he's a two-time scout team player of the year, so maybe he's a find. One walk-on can be fine. Two is alarming.

Other ominous things included a total lack of over the top help on several different deep balls and Hawkins lining up as a man-to-man slot defender. He was in the same outside leverage that Michigan used last year, outside leverage that was required to prevent getting slot fades on their face, and outside leverage that limited Devin Bush's rush opportunities. In an ideal world Hill shows up and can immediately play over the slot, straight up.

Special Teams Note

There was no punting but there were a lot of field goals both in the game and a special post-halftime field-goal throwdown that started at XP length and went out to 60-yarders. Every field goal in the game and every one in the FG-off was good until the 60-yarders. Both Moody and Nordin left theirs two or three yards short.

It's Moody's job until he misses a few. #collegekickers and all that but Michigan seems to have an excellent situation there.

Comments

Bodogblog

April 16th, 2019 at 4:47 PM ^

He is the digital equivalent of a drunk man, stumbling around with his pants down around his ankles, fists up and yelling invectives, trying to instigate a fight.  He's one of those skinny, short, old harmless drunks though.  The best thing to do is keep your distance and wait until the police (the mods) come collect him. 

DeepBlueC

April 16th, 2019 at 4:12 PM ^

Agree about “we’ll be fine”... in fact you stole that from me. But as far as Mason, what have we got to lose by giving him a run at other positions? Yeah, unfortunately he’s probably going to be a tweener just about anywhere else we try him, but if the FB position is being de-emphasized, what the heck? It costs us nothing to see what he can do, and then play the best guy or combination of guys. It’s not desperation to try to make the best use of your resources, even in a non-ideal situation.

JFW

April 17th, 2019 at 11:43 AM ^

Amen. I think it will get better. But maybe it doesn't. We still have a very good team that is clean, and a good coach who cares about his players. 

I'll take that all day long after watching MSU, Baylor, PSU, etc. 

A victory tainted in corruption is no victory at all. 

Bodogblog

April 16th, 2019 at 2:42 PM ^

I think Jeter has already shown that getting his big paw up is going to be disruptive as a pass rusher.  He may be able to get some penetration - the clip you showed isn't bad - and if not, getting his hand up is going to cause some problems for offenses.  That already looks better to me than Mone. 

Alumnus93

April 16th, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^

I'll say it again since the first time I saw him play... Hutchinson will be All American when it's said and done.

And I wouldn't worry about safety.. Dax will be in there sooner than later.  

Blue Middle

April 16th, 2019 at 3:53 PM ^

The extreme caution being exercised this spring on the injury front makes this look worse than it is.  At Wisconsin will be tough in game three, but other than that we aren't tested again until October 19th at Penn State.  By that time we'll have found the right personnel and scheme for coverage; the only lasting concern I have for the defense is DT.  If we're going to win the B1G and/or challenge for the playoff, we'll need Dwumfour, Jeter, and Kemp to take huge steps forward, we'll need to stay healthy, and we'll need considerable help from first-year DL players like Mazi, Hinton, and Mason.  That's asking for a lot.

CB has plenty of bullets, as does safety, especially with Hill coming in.  Don Brown will have new coverage concepts to take away last year's weakness.  DT is the only spot on either side of the ball that I'm concerned we just might not be good enough.

Rabbit21

April 16th, 2019 at 4:54 PM ^

It's not that I don't think Army is a good team, but if the Michigan offense does what it is supposed to do, Army won;t be able to keep up with it.  Defensively against them the main thing is getting Jeter and Kemp to hold up in the middle and prevent the fullback runs up the middle from making big gains.  They should both be able to do that.  

Army, to me, feels like the game we all freak out about in pre-season that Michigan murderizes when the game actually starts.

Double-D

April 16th, 2019 at 6:49 PM ^

Our O-line could very well be the best in the Big Ten this year.   OSU and Wiscy are replacing most of their starters.  This group played well last year and will play even better this year.   

Im sure our DL have their work cut out in practice.  

andrewgr

April 16th, 2019 at 10:34 PM ^

I keep seeing people on this site writing variations of "This will be one of the best OLs in the country", or "This will be the best line in the Big10", and I am just puzzled by how we collectively arrived at that conclusion.  Brian has written more than just one or two expositions about the dire situation at Offensive Tackle the past few years, and while the situation my not be the disaster it was the previous two years, there's a loooooong distance between "not a disaster" and "one of the best".

My memories from last season feature a lot of Shea Patterson running for his life against any above average Defensive Line, to the extent that many here justified some of the more conservative play calling as being due to the desire to keep him alive.  Does a year older and stronger normally mean going from "can't be trusted to keep the QB upright" to "one of the best"?

I could understand the optimism more if it was a story that people needed to believe in order to have hope for the coming season, but that's not the case.  If Michigan gets the QB play and WR play that most here are expecting, coupled with a more modern offensive scheme, just having an above-average line would be enough to be co-favorites with OSU to win the conference.

Unlike some, it doesn't bother me that people are being, in my opinion, overly optimistic about the OL's prospects.  I just don't understand how the narrative emerged in the first place.

DoubleB

April 16th, 2019 at 11:08 PM ^

Oklahoma I think had 7 actual drives in the game outside of the OT. Army had 4 drives of 15+ plays in the game, almost all of it chewing up clock on the ground.

The other issue is that this isn't some generic service academy. Army under Monken has gotten very very competitive and really upgraded their recruiting.

Michigan should win the game and could blow them out, but this isn't a game I would ever schedule.

 

UofM Die Hard …

April 16th, 2019 at 4:35 PM ^

what an odd feeling...

Offense, to me, seems like its going to put up some pts and the offensive line is solid to actually good? (guard, center, guard seems BEASTLY

 

Defense is now a soft spot possibly?  

 

Crazy...but I think we will be happy with the offense this year

RockinLoud

April 16th, 2019 at 7:03 PM ^

The rankings are there, for sure. I wasn't overly impressed with how the secondary performed in the scrimmage though. Massive caveats and all that of course. Guess I'm not expecting them to be near as good as the previous few seasons, but hopefully good enough and the young guys get good experience and develop.

Mgoeffoff

April 17th, 2019 at 9:22 AM ^

With all the spring practice hype Gray has received, I'm chalking up his performance to just having a bad day.  The CB pecking order seems to be Hill, Thomas, Gray, JKP, Sims.  None of them are freshman and all are 4-stars.  They should be fine in all games minus OSU, which is our achilles heel and will be.  We just can't run with their WRs without a pass rush.  Hopefully the d-line will be healthier this year than last.

micheal honcho

April 16th, 2019 at 8:05 PM ^

I will not be surprised to see Mazi getting solid minutes early on and starting as a true freshman by seasons end. He has all the tools and with Herbert pushing his already B1G sized body the upside is there.

Having watched him play live 3X this past fall he was dominant. Not on every play, that’s a HS kid for ya, but when he wanted to(or after his coach rode his ass) he could single handily wreck an offense. Terrence Taylor who I watched a lot in HS was not as dominant as Mazi, Rob Renes did crazy shit(saw him block a punt by literally throwing a G into the punter) but was not as dominant as Mazi. 

I see huge things coming for him at M and I think he’s advanced enough to contribute early.

Mgoeffoff

April 17th, 2019 at 9:27 AM ^

There's no way around it...Mazi & Hinton will have to see time.  Mazi will back up Kemp/Jeter and Hinton will backup Dwumfor.  Mazi already has college size and strength.  Hinton hasn't arrived yet, but a 5-star should be ready to compete on the 2-deep as a freshman.  

ERdocLSA2004

April 16th, 2019 at 8:52 PM ^

This is obviously not ideal.  Here comes the proverbial “year or two away” chant.  It’s hard to disagree, but all we can do is look forward.  We definitely had some attrition, more than most programs it seems, but it doesn’t matter NOW.

This is a great opportunity for the coaches to really prove their worth, coaching up the players we have and getting the most out of them.  Getting a team to play sound, disciplined football can erase a lot of inadequacies and still make for an enjoyable season.

Mgoeffoff

April 16th, 2019 at 9:13 PM ^

OK, so CB & DT are the troublesome spots.  CB...Sims got a lot of talk from Brown last year and in bowl prep.  I feel like he should be ready to contribute.  After listening to Zordich's presser I am going to chalk up Gray's rough outing as a bad day.  It seems like he's CB#3, JKP is #4, & Sims is #5.

DT...I feel like a freshman has to be on the 2-deep.  Mazi Smith has had good reviews so far and Chris Hinton is a 5-star after all.  5-stars should be college ready as freshman to contribute on the 2-deep.  If we can get backup snaps without a huge dropoff and at least 2 of Dwumfor, Kemp, & Jeter stay healthy we should be OK.  Every other spot on the team should be fine, but of course folks will have to step up to beat the NDs, PSUs, & OSUs of the world.

 

CB: Hill, Thomas, Gray, JKP, Sims

SDE: Hutchinson/Paye

WDE: Danna/Villain/Uche

DT: Dwumfor, Kemp, Jeter, Smith, Hinton

Assuming health that should be enough

Bluegriz

April 17th, 2019 at 6:46 AM ^

I stopped reading after the line about Michigan goes out of its way to be unfriendly to its fans. Every now and then you remind us how pissed-at-life you are.  You had two Saturdays in a row of Michigan football. The players were signing autographs and posing for photos. 

M-Dog

April 17th, 2019 at 12:15 PM ^

So, I'm watching the Michigan Insider replay video in this post (the field level view was kinda cool).

It was a beautiful day.  You had a much better fan turnout that people were claiming earlier.  You had refs and cheerleaders and the band.  You had some series of legitimate football plays.

It was so close.

So why not go the extra couple of steps to make it more of a game environment?

If you are going to go to all the trouble to do all that other stuff above, then why not add a scoreboard and slightly more organization and make it real spring game?

There is not all that much difference.  Why deliberately give off the vibe that the fans don't matter and are just being barely tolerated for no good reason? 

 

uncleFred

April 17th, 2019 at 7:05 PM ^

I've been a Michigan football fan since the 1960s. I was a student for seven years of the ten year war. You'd be hard pressed to find an alum more committed to the U of M football program. Whether up or down, Michigan is MY team. Period. I've seen greatness. I was in the Rose Bowl for the national championship win. I've known crushing disappointment. I was in Michigan stadium and watched Archie Griffen steal the game from us at the very end. 

The RichRod years were abysmal, but I stuck with the program. Hoke showed a lot of hope and, to be fair, while he ultimately failed did do some good things for the program. Harbaugh, is the future. Pulling the program out of a seven year hole isn't easy, especially running a clean program.

Coaching 18-23 year olds is tough. Especially when some of them, or their families, are convinced that they are 3 years away from a multi-million dollar NFL career. 

Young men get discouraged. Sometimes they make decision that seem to defy sensible thought. But it's their decision. 

Yeah at the moment the team is thin and young at key positions and there are many daunting problems facing it in the fall. But that's okay. I'd like an undefeated season. Even more I'd like to beat Ohio. Who knows? It's football after all and anything can happen.

New offense. A defense where the players will be in its fourth year. Who knows what the season will bring. I'll be optimistic and hope for the best, but without expectation. It's a historically great football program. Greatness can't be denied, it just can't be forecast.

Go Blue

Beat Ohio.