[Patrick Barron]

Spring Bits: Defense Comment Count

Brian April 16th, 2019 at 1:18 PM

Previously: offense.

A word about format

This seems to happen in year three or four every time: after a brief introductory burst of spring game optimism the thing degrades until it's the barely-tolerated Lloyd-era relic. Remember Harbaugh's first spring game? The one that came down to a contested two-point conversion that got reviewed on the scoreboard?

…the white team poured onto the field like they'd just won the Super Bowl and blue team coach Chris Partridge roared off the sideline to have a Harbaugh-level conniption fit at the ref.

A couple other coaches reacted similarly, if not as dramatically, as Partridge; the white team organized at midfield for a photo. Wyatt Shallman headbanged like there was no tomorrow. Drake Johnson collapsed in a heap.

I tweeted to Ace that he should title the recap "Controversial finish mars Spring Game ending,"* because that was funny. It's only funny because it's kind of true.

This is a different thing now. Last year's team was good but it was still caught between being a program that apologizes for a tent stake and a program whose DGAF levels are off the charts. Judging from the reactions of everyone involved on both sides, the all-competition-all-the-time ethos has sunk in. That more than anything else makes me anticipate the upcoming season.

There were rappists! We got pictures of them:

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My rap name is Medium Wayne. Dunno what this guy's rap name is. Steve? [Eric Upchurch]

This year we kicked off with 20 minutes of drills. There was a 12 minute halftime in which nothing happened. Score was not kept. I don't know how it ended because after three hours and change I saw Not Cade McNamara come out and decided that I'd had all the data I was going to get. Last year's spring game was flat-out cancelled instead of being moved a day or a week.

I'm pretty used to Michigan football going out of its way to be unfriendly to its fans but… yikes. When your spring game is untelevisable that says something. Do you know the things they put on TV these days? There's a show called "God Friended Me"! They'll put anything on. But not Michigan's spring game type substance.

Long way from the early days of Harbaugh to this place where douchy guys buy messages to fly over the stadium. And find some way to televise hockey FFS.

[After THE JUMP: I have concerns]

Remain calm?

This was not previous spring games where the offense did zilch because they had wolves at their door on every play, but the defense held its own decently. And the nominal starting defense that was put out there was missing several key components. They were down Josh Ross and Lavert Hill, likely to be the best players at LB and CB. Likely DT starter Mike Dwumfour participated in drill but not the scrimmage. CMU transfer Mike Danna, the likely starting WDE, is not enrolled yet.

But when you strip Nico Collins and DPJ away from the offense you've got Martin, Bell, Black, and Sainristil looking capable. Yoink those defensive players and certain spots look hairy.

Defensive line

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Shaun Nua might have some more side eye moments this year [Barron]

Defensive end is going to be fine as long as Mike Danna translates reasonably well. His out of this world PFF grades were largely against MAC competition and they appear to grade like I do, so they're not opponent-adjusted. But lower leagues occasionally spit out a dude at any competition level and Danna has the profile of one.

That should push Kwity Paye and Aidan Hutchinson into the anchor spot together with Josh Uche and—fingers crossed—Luiji Vilain backing up Danna. I have some concerns about Paye's pass rush, but that's a solid two-deep with no freshmen and many established contributors.

FWIW, Michigan only used Uche as a passing-down linebacker and only deployed three-man lines on passing downs.

As far as the individual performers, no one stood out in a Hurst fashion. This is in part because the OL wasn't giving anyone a free pass into the backfield. Closer inspection of many spectacular DL plays from past spring games has revealed a guy who simply wasn't blocked. When that doesn't happen you have to earn it, and they didn't really. The occasional pressure the offense suffered was almost always delivered by a blitz.

Hutchinson did give Mayfield the business in drill time. FWIW. Hutchinson flashed talent as a true freshman and should make a big leap forward in year two. Paye may also have an ignite button to press. There are enough bullets in the chamber here to expect a hit.

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Michigan might have to play a true FR like Mazi Smith (#58) [Fuller]

Defensive tackle… well. I focused on Donovan Jeter intermittently. He was able to survive against Ruiz/Bredeson/Onwenu. This is an accomplishment; several Big Ten DLs are going to get clonked by those guys this fall. Jeter was limited to holding up against the run and occupying blockers against the pass, though. He was more of a Mone space-eater type than a penetration threat. He's the nose tackle here:

This was a little better as the DT to the bottom of the screen; he's able to drive the pocket a little and might get a PBU on a different pass.

Maybe he's able to push the pocket more against dudes under 350 pounds, but I don't see a bunch of TFLs in his future.

So the situation at DT is probably this:

  • Jeter and Carlo Kemp, two guys who are fine against the run and offer next to no pass rush.
  • Mike Dwumfour, who's potentially in the Hurst vein as a rusher but got knocked on his ass on every other run play last year.
  • True freshmen and a converted fullback.

Maybe one of the three veterans takes a leap and becomes a complete player, maybe one of the freshmen is immediately ready to be a rotation piece. Maybe neither of those things happen and things get gross.

I made a comparison between the seven man DL class of two years ago and Hoke's giant bust of a six-man OL class that drew some objection because Michigan does look like they'll get a player or two out of it. They will indeed, but the situation Michigan is left in is the same: shorthanded and looking towards true freshmen to stem the bleeding. That class:

  • Corey Malone-Hatcher medically retired more or less on arrival.
  • Aubrey Solomon, Deron Irving-Bey, and James Hudson transferred.
  • Luiji Vilain spent his first two years injured and is only now getting back healthy.
  • Phil Paea bounced from DL to OL and back to DL and only got walk-on time in the scrimmage.
  • Jeter and Paye are tracking as contributors.

Not quite as bad as the Hoke disaster OL class, which got one season of starting time from Patrick Kugler and was otherwise a total washout. But the overall picture is similar. Hudson is particularly frustrating because while moving him to OL made all the sense in the world at the time he had a great Willie-Henry-ish senior year as a DL and would certainly have gotten enough time to keep him engaged at DT.

Anyway. Time to make chicken salad.

Linebacker

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Gil: still Gil [Fuller]

With Ross out, Jordan Anthony got the snaps with the ones next to Devin Gil and looked like a reasonable Devin Bush facsimile. He had a sack on a blitz up the middle that got home in a flash and was close to a couple more. Gil looked like Gil. Maybe a little more decisive, but it was hard to tell with the DTs getting pushed back a bit on many plays.

Cam McGrone played a fair amount with the twos but lasted deep into walk-on time. Hard not to take that as a sign that he's not as close to a breakthrough as I'd hoped. He did have a few nice plays sprinkled in there; he had some productive edge rushes… or edge rushes that would have been productive if the DTs were able to collapse the pocket more.

At viper, Hudson is Hudson and Glasgow is Glasgow. The interesting guy there is redshirt freshman Michael Barrett, who was a thumping presence when he entered. Walk-on time was more live contact than the rest of the scrimmage. Barrett took advantage of that to deliver a series of zero-YAC hits.

Coverage is an open question with him. His interception of Milton was a perfectly fine zone drop that Milton did not see. I'm not sure if he can carry TEs down the seam and the like. Hudson and Glasgow look like safeties. Barrett looks like a linebacker. It was in fact really easy to get Barrett and Uche mixed up because they're both #6 and at first glance are not obviously dissimilar body types. Barrett was already listed at 224 last year, which points more towards MLB than viper if any pounds get added.

With the two seniors in front of him Barrett's time is going to be limited; he's the slight leader to take the reins at viper next year.

Cornerback

Another spot where Michigan's lack of depth is a little worrying. Lavert Hill and Ambry Thomas should be one of the better starting pairs in the league and maybe the nation. In Hill's absence, though, Vincent Gray got pushed into the starting lineup. He's the guy who got torched by Martin on the called-back TD, and that jam whiff was comprehensive:

Gemon Green's time was most notable for getting dusted by Black…

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[Bryan Fuller]

…and Myles Sims, the top-ranked CB from last year's class, was not even dressed. Jalen Perry, the early-enrolled four star in this year's class, got dusted a couple times himself.

I'm probably paranoid about third corners because of last year's Ohio State game, but… last year's Ohio State game. It doesn't look like Michigan is going to be able to field a third CB who's in the same range as Hill and Thomas athletically, unless they just say "screw it" and go with Dax Hill there and bring in a safety as their fifth DB.

About that…

Safety

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second team D: walk-on Tyler Cochran at safety [Barron]

In a word: disconcerting. Josh Metellus is established as a pretty good Big Ten player so spring game data is to be taken with a grain of salt; still a bit ominous that he overran crossing routes twice to turn modest gains into big ones. With Kelly-Powell's move to corner the contenders to keep Dax Hill's seat warm were J'Marick Woods, Brad Hawkins, and walk-ons. Sammy Faustin did not make an appearance and IIRC neither did German Green.

Tyler Cochran, pictured above, and fellow walk-on Hunter Reynolds appeared to be the second string safety pairing. Reynolds has been garnering a little chatter inside the program, and he's a two-time scout team player of the year, so maybe he's a find. One walk-on can be fine. Two is alarming.

Other ominous things included a total lack of over the top help on several different deep balls and Hawkins lining up as a man-to-man slot defender. He was in the same outside leverage that Michigan used last year, outside leverage that was required to prevent getting slot fades on their face, and outside leverage that limited Devin Bush's rush opportunities. In an ideal world Hill shows up and can immediately play over the slot, straight up.

Special Teams Note

There was no punting but there were a lot of field goals both in the game and a special post-halftime field-goal throwdown that started at XP length and went out to 60-yarders. Every field goal in the game and every one in the FG-off was good until the 60-yarders. Both Moody and Nordin left theirs two or three yards short.

It's Moody's job until he misses a few. #collegekickers and all that but Michigan seems to have an excellent situation there.

Comments

umaz1

April 16th, 2019 at 1:41 PM ^

So did Barrett switch to #5 then? He and Uche both wore 6 at the previous weekends open practice. It definitely got confusing when Uche was with the LB’s.

Worcester Wolverine

April 16th, 2019 at 1:49 PM ^

I'm never one to try to guess about personal lives in CFB, but those Solomon and Hudson transfers still mystify me (and sting like hell). Aubrey would have certainly started and played a ton on a defense that'll probably still be pretty good and win a bunch of games. Hudson would have have been in the mix to start at probably 2 or more different positions.

Genuinely want the best for both of them, but leaving for Cincinnati and a year on the bench at Tennessee both scare me more than I'm willing to admit. Here's hoping the DL can hold their own against the cream of the schedule this year. Maybe we'll be able to score so much that nobody will run inside on us? 

Mfrank

April 16th, 2019 at 2:14 PM ^

Solomon and Hudson would both be starting this year don't kid yourself. The slander of all these kids who leave the program is getting old. Kareem this, Aubrey that, Hudson this, etc. Shit is old. If they have personality problem then I blame the coach who brought them here in the first place. Stop.

Watching From Afar

April 16th, 2019 at 3:06 PM ^

The slander of all these kids who leave the program is getting old.

Says the guy who implies kids shouldn't have been given a scholarship, shouldn't see the field, and are a waste at Michigan.

Solomon was a 5 star. He was a guy you wanted. He didn't work out. But sure, blame the coaches for recruiting him. All while you blame the coaches for recruiting Gil/Uche/Woods. Had they not gotten Solomon you would have whined and cried about it for the last 2 years.

Mfrank

April 16th, 2019 at 3:14 PM ^

Talking about a kids character vs his play on the field are two totally different things and you know it. Oh and Solomon was working out until he decided to transfer. And did you watch the OSU game? It's not Gil's fault Brown recruited him and asked to man cover OSU WR's. But if you want to play that type of defense then he can't be on the field. Duh.

Watching From Afar

April 16th, 2019 at 3:27 PM ^

Talking about a kids character vs his play on the field are two totally different things and you know it.

Ok. Solomon's play on the field (when he was physically capable of it) was nowhere near 5 star and worth the headache (information from someone with connections versus you spouting out of thin air).

And did you watch the OSU game? It's not Gil's fault Brown recruited him and asked to man cover OSU WR's.

I did. Did you? Because Gil wasn't the only one who was getting torched but sure, blame him because he's the 3 star while Bush, Kinnel, Gary, Winovich, and Watson were struggling just as much if not more (3 of those guys were 4 stars or better).

Also, "it's not Gil's fault" is your way of saying "he's not good enough/he shouldn't be here/he sucks." Ross didn't wow in that game. Nor did he in the bowl game. It's almost like the 4 stars you slobber over got outplayed just like the 3 stars you think should be at CMU.

Watching From Afar

April 16th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^

Gil wasn't getting torched? LOL holy shit you definitely didn't watch the game.

*Only one*. Typed too fast.

 Gary and WInovich were hurt.

Convenient excuse for you. Yes, they were hurt, but that doesn't make it Gil's fault OSU ran all over them. There were 10 other guys on the field and to say Gil was the problem is just stupid.

Are you seriously blaming Bush?

Bashing? No. Acknowledging he too fell short? Yes. He caught air on crossing routes too. The play he got hurt on was a crosser right in front of his face that he whiffed on and then had to run down the WR.

 Watson gave up what 4 TD's? What was his ranking again out of high school?

Yeah, he wasn't capable of running crossing routes with Chris Olave who was, wait for it... A 3 STAR RECRUIT!!! Paris Campbell and KJ Hill were running away from everyone not named David Long.

You're a joke dude.

Yeah, sure. Let me just look around and... o wait, you're the shithead no one likes. But keep typing away behind that keyboard ya big smart contrarian.

Dynasty

April 16th, 2019 at 3:27 PM ^

Lol, you blame the coaches for bringing in these two highly rated recruits with potential personality issues. Then also blame the coaches for not just blindly following the recruiting rankings. Maizen maizen maizen... you're losing it bub.

Mfrank

April 16th, 2019 at 5:53 PM ^

Wrong. I blamed the coaches for brining in a bunch of 3 stars who can't play and losing nine to 247 recruits in the last few years. Did you not read Brian's writeup? It's 1500 words that basically says our defense has no depth and talent.

wolverine1987

April 16th, 2019 at 6:28 PM ^

Yes, and he excluded the part where transfers are Harbaugh's fault because he's a rational, sensible and intelligent adult who appreciates facts. Look, you want to say Harbaugh should get better recruits at a higher level? I'll argue with you but at least it's a debatable argument. Your blame the coaches for transfers argument is pure idiocy. 

muddblue7

April 17th, 2019 at 11:08 AM ^

Some kids just don't workout in the program. Whether that be butting heads with the coaches, injuries hindering their availability, or academic reasons. Don't act like you don't want a coach who expects his players to live up to their potential. Its the way of college football. They make the decisions that will best benefit them. And the coaches need to play kids that are ready and available.

mgobrooklyn

April 16th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^

These are 18 year old kids. There will always be a certain percentage of guys who wash out because they're not on board with the culture of the program or because they make a rash decision over playing time. Not much you can do about it. When you start catering to these guys is when you really lose the program.

dragonchild

April 16th, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^

Can't prove anything but since I'm just a shameless guy on the Internet I'm gonna speculate freely.

The rapid attrition at DT has the stink of DJ Derpin', Greg Mattison edition.  Much like how losing our then-DC was preceded by a terrible game plan against OSU (FFS why, always why), Mattison may have checked out midseason (who knows how early in the season), leading to frustration and dysfunction along the D-line.

There are individual circumstances as well of course, but it's the explanation that makes the most sense to me.  If I was busting my butt for a guy whose head is elsewhere, I'd get pissed and want to GTFO.

Bodogblog

April 16th, 2019 at 2:40 PM ^

By some accounts, Hudson (and family) were angry that he had been injured, but then was fine, but Steuber went in before him for the MSU game.  At least I think that was the game.  If true, it says he was ahead of Steuber at that point.  So we missed out on a better option at RT.  This is a bummer.  We also probably could have allowed Mayfield to stay at LT, be the heir apparent there, and we'd have a really, really solid 2 deep at tackle.  Right now if we one of the tackles goes down we're probably OK, but if two go down it's dire.  Unless a true freshman surfaces (I love Trente Jones and think he could be plausibly ready early).  So yeah it's not great that Hudson left. 

The only rumor - and it's only that and I only mention to see if someone else also read it on the board - I've heard on Solomon is that the class work was difficult, despite the university doing everything they could to support.  If that's the case, there's really no fault either way.  But yep that hurts.  If we have not injuries we could be fine.  But Hinton or Smith being playable is really important, as everyone has said. 

Bodogblog

April 16th, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^

Sorry if that wasn't clear.  And I should reiterate that this is a version I've heard, and it could be completely inaccurate. 

The story is that Hudson was ahead of Steuber, i.e. 2nd string to JBB.  Then he got hurt and was out of practice.  Since he was out, Steuber took the reps at 2nd string.  No idea how long of a period of time this was.  But sometime during the week of the MSU game Hudson apparently came back, was healthy.  When JBB went down in that game, it was Steuber who the coaches chose to put in the game.  Hudson and his family were enraged by this and he left. 

If this is even true, and again just a rumor, there's still a lot of clouds.  Did he come back that week on a Wednesday, meaning he didn't take most of the practice reps that week?  Did he come back the week before but they were easing him back in, and he took 3rd string reps, so that the staff thought it was clear he was the second option to Steuber and Hudson may have thought he was back and resumed his position?  Who knows.  They should have been able to work it out.  A Michigan degree is worth so much more than one from UC. 

In any case, if the above it is true, it means that Hudson was ahead of Steuber.  But see UMBIG11's comment, he would have much better info, and he says Hudson wouldn't be starting on this OL.  

4th phase

April 16th, 2019 at 11:09 PM ^

Total speculation here but it was my understanding from internet rumors that Hudson basically "came back" Saturday morning. As in he didn't practice all week and told the coaches he was fine on Saturday. I guess you could call it an old school or a tough love approach but Harbaugh decided that if you don't practice you don't play, and reading between the lines of pressers, Harbaugh would see that as kind of a bullshit move on Hudson's part. Maybe he really was hurt all week and healed up overnight on Friday, not saying he lied, just that Harbaugh didn't buy it. 

Also want to add that if Hudson actually was ahead of Steuber it clearly wasn't by very much because then they would have gone with Hudson. Zordich bitched about Hill and Long being injured and skipping practice but they were so clearly ahead of everyone else that he never sat them. I think all the fans and beat writers annointed Hudson as the LT before the season even started and some of that fueled the fire of him believing he should he playing, and subsequently getting pissed when he missed his chance.

Bodogblog

April 18th, 2019 at 1:24 PM ^

Well, it appears some version of this may be true then.  The worst part is the kid now gets a UC degree instead of a Michigan degree.  Look kid if you're an NFL talent you'll win one of the tackle jobs at Michigan.  If you're not, you're much better off with a Michigan degree.  

You want to play, even if NFL's not calling?  Tough.  Stay at Michigan and get the degree.  Sitting at 2nd string at Michigan and getting that degree is worth so much more to your life than playing a couple years at UC.  

RockinLoud

April 16th, 2019 at 1:57 PM ^

Welp... *tugs on shirt collar* to say I'm mildly worried about being able to stop the better offenses we'll face is an understatement. If DT's can't let the LB'ers do their thing, and the DB's have taken a step back, every single team is going to try to do what OSU (and to a lesser extent Indiana) did last year. Crossing routes and formations where WR's get a free release and hit the open guy because the pass rush isn't good enough.

Not good Bob. Not good. We'll see what DB can do.

1201

April 16th, 2019 at 2:10 PM ^

UM has a good coaching staff and I expect they will piece together a respectable unit and find a way to get these guys to play well. But yeah, that it's year 5 and to have these types of personnel holes is extremely disconcerting. Too much attrition from the 2016 and 2017 classes coupled with a disastrous (by UM standards) 2018 class and it's no surprise this is the predicament we are in. Like others have said it comes down to recruiting. If you want to compete with the Bama's, OSU's, UGA's, etc of the world you have to recruit like them, and when you do you can't be having those highly ranked guys like Devin Asiasi, James Hudson, Aubrey Solomon, Drew Singleton, Kareem Walker, etc walk out the door. 

blueandmaizeballs

April 16th, 2019 at 4:18 PM ^

You mention those guys and yet they haven't done anything in their college careers.   Devin was ok at UCLA and left early and wasnt even the best TE on UCLA. And he only left cause of family issues (back to UCLA). Drew went back home also. Hudson we have no idea if he can play. Walker is no big deal   Yea we missed on so.e recruits but so does every other program.   Yes I would love more 5 stars and studs like Daxton Hill but you forget Michigan is playing a game by the rules while most of the teams we are competing against aren't.  If you think JOhn U. BACon is a reputable Michigan insider he has the same views   It is hard to compete for 5 stars who are getting alot of money for going to other schools especially when  their family is in need of money.

stephenrjking

April 16th, 2019 at 5:11 PM ^

Yeah, pretty clear signs. He generally keeps multiple accounts running and operates some one "good behavior" for a span until it's time to flame or another pseudonym gets locked.  

Occasionally he tries to change his writing style; at other times he adds some "polite" framing language around typical critiques.

The posting history on this one makes it pretty obvious. 

Dizzy

April 16th, 2019 at 4:26 PM ^

I do not want Michigan to "recruit like them." Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd prefer our coaches not sacrifice their integrity for the sake of winning. It's a more difficult road, but it's a better road.

Fuck "winning at all costs." It's not worth it. Cheating is for cowards. 

Rufus X

April 16th, 2019 at 2:04 PM ^

I was at the spring game and I happened to notice a couple plays where Ben Mason got significant pressure upfield from the DT spot. I wasn't focused on it the whole time, but I was encouraged.  I'd rather have an undersized guy that is a mauling beast of a "football player" than a right-sized guy with the physical tools that doesn't have the ingrained bloodthirst of Murderface.

Also I have a certain degree of "trust the 'stache" built in, so I may be overly optimistic about our defense.  The RB position is what scares me the most.

dragonchild

April 16th, 2019 at 2:19 PM ^

Same here.  I'm not as down on Mason as a 3-tech as Brian.  No, he's not an every-down DT, but I don't think anyone's saying he is.  And he's certainly not going to 2-gap anybody, but no one's asking him to.  He can play like a mini-Hurst, making up for his shortcomings with aggression.  Sure, if he gets blocked he's going for a ride, but his job isn't to hold ground; it's to give the offense unanticipated problems.

It's not an ideal situation either way but if you compare Mason to a "just a guy" DT he has more upside.  I'll take a boom-or-bust penetrator over a guy who's going to lumber to his gap, get blocked, and give up 2-3 yards every play with zero internal pressure on passing downs.  You can cover for the former and maybe get a TFL now and then.