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November 29th, 2016 at 10:08 PM ^

To me it incentivizes being number 1 and 2 because they earn a bye. So it makes the top of the rankings extremely important this making every game important. 6 is still hard to be so it doesn't weaken the regular season much more than 4 does and instead involves more fan bases (4-10 would really have a shot the final week) ... Giving the NCAA what it really wants, more money. Example" Alabama, yeah they want to win but they really don't care because they are guaranteed in. With 6 they wouldn't be guaranteed a 1st round bye, making it mean more. Then Oklahoma state is 10 and Oklahoma is 9. The winner would have a real shot of making the top 6 though not a guarantee, making that game mean a heck of a lot more. Now? No one besides the people of Oklahoma care.

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Blue Durham

November 29th, 2016 at 8:24 PM ^

I have always been a proponent of an 8-team playoff. That takes care of the conference champs (auto entry) and 3 at-large. This also allows for the undefeated non-P5 teams to get in, which really would be in the best interest of college football at large (as well as avoid a similar legal problem that has recent precedent).

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TrueBlue2003

November 29th, 2016 at 9:24 PM ^

it would actually be a shame for the committee to penalize Clemson or Washington for making their title game by moving them behind us if they lose.  If the committee thinks those have something left to prove, I would have hoped they'd have left us third or fourth (since we were literally an inch worse than OSU) and allowed those teams to bolster their resumes to jump us.

5th was the worst case scenario for us tonight.  They weren't putting us below two teams that we beat and have the same record as.  The good thing is that Hocutt went out of his way to say that we were very close to Washington which means that if they have a worse result against Colorado, the door is open.

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Blue_2008

November 29th, 2016 at 11:10 PM ^

It's possible, but I guess I just feel like if it is pre determined that 6 or 7 would both jump us with a win why not just put Michigan at 7. The commentary about there being a slim margin between 4 and 5 and putting the best teams in makes me feel pretty good about our chances if Washington loses as well.

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SpaceDad

November 30th, 2016 at 1:31 AM ^

Pitt (8-4) moves into the CFP poll for the first time ever at #25 after beating lowly Syracuse 76-61. The basketball score may have confused the committee. Iowa (8-4) knocks off Nebraska (9-3) and does not crack the poll.

 

Nebraska (9-3) falls from #16 all the way out of the poll after the road loss. Not the case for Houston (9-3). It only drops four spots to #24 after losing to Memphis. Also not the case for Tennessee (8-4) which lost to Vandy and only dropped five spots to #22.

 

LSU (7-4) beats unranked Texas A&M and bolts to #21.

Utah (8-4) moved up two spots to #20 after losing to Colorado. Utah has lost three of its last four and was in danger of being unranked for the first time in CFP poll history.

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uncle leo

November 29th, 2016 at 7:16 PM ^

Colorado and Penn State. Wisconsin would jump Michigan. 

Joey Galloway just said the dumbest f'ing thing I've ever heard. "I'm not convinced that Penn State is clearly worse than Michigan or Ohio State."

Uh, we beat them by like 40.

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Blue2000

November 29th, 2016 at 7:24 PM ^

Root for Colorado and Penn State. Wisconsin would jump Michigan. 
 
From a resume-comparison perspective, isn't a Wisconsin win better for us?  They'd have the same record, yes, but our overall resume would be better, plus we beat them head-to-head.  Yes, they'll have a conference championship, but only because they played in a weaker division.
 
If Penn State wins, I think the committee will have a hard time putting OSU in but not PSU, given than PSU beat OSU.  
 
Also, why would Wisconsin jump us when we already beat them and have the same record?

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doggdetroit

November 29th, 2016 at 7:31 PM ^

No because it's easier for the committee to straight up exclude Wisconsin or include Wisconsin over Michigan since they could spin a 7 point loss to Michigan as a close game. If Wisconsin can't get in as a B1G champ, then there's no path for Michigan. On the other hand, if PSU wins, it's harder for the commitee to exclude them because they beat the #2 team. At the same time, if you include PSU, it's harder to exclude Michigan, since Michigan beat PSU by 40.

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TrueBlue2003

November 29th, 2016 at 7:52 PM ^

If Wisconsin can't get in as a B1G ten champ, than there's no path for Michigan? This makes no sense. Total non-sequitur. Wisconsin lost to the best two teams in the conference.  They're third best in the eyes of the committee.  Beating the fourth best team shouldn't change their view of Wisconsin as the third best team in the conference unless they absolutely destroy them.  But they're still unlikely to beat them by more than we did.

It probably doesn't matter who wins Saturday, it just matters if the committee decides between close resumes more heavily on head-to-head or conference championship, but I think a Wisconsin win is slightly better for the reasons mentioned previously. And they claim to watch the games so they'd know that 7-point loss was far more dominant than that.  PSU has a better of chance of spinning their loss as injury related, IMO.

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ESNY

November 29th, 2016 at 9:03 PM ^

Was their offense injured? Fine maybe you can argue we don't score over 40 but they had 10 points. Can change that due to LBs.

Wisconsins resume is pretty damn weak but you can at least point to the LSU win out of conference and losing close games to top 5 teams. PSU has OSU and getting blown out in one of their losses.

Originally I thought only Wisconsin could jump us but the big 10 west cratered and I'm not sure they have the resume either. Their only top 25 win is LSU at 21 which is a fucking generous ranking.



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TrueBlue2003

November 29th, 2016 at 9:32 PM ^

don't think PSU has a good argument either, but they have shown more "improvement" it seems than Wisconsin since we've played them with their win over OSU and the stomping of Iowa (which scares me if it comes down to looking at similar opponents - PSU does better in that category than Wisconsin, IMO).

PSU has one great win already.  Like you mentioned, Wisconsin's best wins are against teams with four or more losses.  I don't think either team should make it ahead of us, but I think I'd prefer a Wisconsin comparison by a hair.  I guess the committee doesn't agree with me though since Wisky is ahead right now.

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Ghost of Fritz…

November 29th, 2016 at 8:32 PM ^

on why PSU beating OSU should not be a huge factor...

The officiating was terrible in the M-OSU game (am I allowed to say that without getting sent to Bolivia?).

But in the OSU-Penn State game, Penn State benefitted hugely from terrible officiating. 

Late in the game officials failed to flag a blatant and completely obvious PI on the PSU defense.  Had that call been made correctly, OSU almost certainly would have pulled out the win.

I mean Penn State did beat OSU, but in a flukey way and aided by a very bad non-call on an obvious PI. Similar to how OSU got the W against Michigan. 

 

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umchicago

November 29th, 2016 at 8:38 PM ^

also said the UM large win over Colo doesn't mean much since their QB got hurt.  by that token UM's QB got hurt in the iowa game which we lost by one on a last second FG.  we also had an injured QB against osu and played to a tie in regulation, losing (gag) in 2 OT.

So by his reasoning UM is really undefeated and should be thought of that way.

he is a tool.

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TrueBlue2003

November 29th, 2016 at 9:35 PM ^

argument.  Lot of people do but fail to realize we were ahead when he went out (and had gone on a 31-14 run after the strip sack), and that we were missing our TWO best defensive players for the whole game in Lewis and Charlton.  No way it would have been as close if they played.

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MichiganTeacher

November 29th, 2016 at 8:23 PM ^

Agreed, root for Colorado and Penn State. And Va Tech, for that matter.

The biggest single problem with a Wisconsin win, I think, is that iirc Alvarez is on the committee.

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ColeIsCorky

November 29th, 2016 at 11:01 PM ^

I don't think Wisconsin would jump Michigan unless they destroy Penn St based off what the committee chairman said. I really think it's a 5 team race at this point unless both Clemson AND Washington lose. Then it might get interesting... I am more confident than ever that Michigan has the best shot of jumping into the top 4 over everyone else.

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