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10/14/2018 - 12:47am Back in my day Muppets used…

Back in my day Muppets used to mean something...

Shakes fist at clouds. 

10/13/2018 - 11:55pm No.  We beat a team at home…

No.  We beat a team at home that we were favored to beat by two scores.  Also, the next two games are both much bigger.

Great that we dominated, but winning this was just taking care of business.

Also, Wisconsin was only ranked because they were good last year.  They likely won't be ranked after this week and they're a shell of their usual selves on defense.  They'll still win the west.  But they'll be lucky to crack the top 20 the rest of the way.

10/12/2018 - 7:08pm Attention is fully on…

Attention is fully on football right now, but excitement and confidence levels are very high for the upcoming bball season.

10/12/2018 - 5:04pm Sooo when you said "College…

Sooo when you said "College Game Day spot" in the title, did you mean that they did some filming at the Jug? Or did you get some inside information about the "spot" where they'd be set up tomorrow?  I was a bit confused by that sorry.

10/12/2018 - 2:05pm Completely agree 100%.


Completely agree 100%.

No one can deny that Hoke loved Michigan and cared about this place and cared about winning to the best of his (admittedly limited) ability.

I read that as him not caring anymore about trying to talk in "coach-speak" and tip-toeing around which information he should share with the media, etc.  He was frustratingly coy in the early parts of his tenure and I think he was saying that he doesn't care about being so careful about being that way anymore.

That is the exact context in which he said this.  It was not in response to anything related to football, it was about press conferences.

As such, this is a terrible clickbait headline, OP.  Just stop.  Let it go.

10/12/2018 - 1:54pm Passing lane, yes. Never…

Passing lane, yes. Never heard it referred to as the inside lane.  A little misleading/confusing on a three or more lane highway because what is it the inside of?  The three lanes I can see or the entire freeway in both directions?

10/12/2018 - 1:41pm Yeah, it may not be…

Yeah, it may not be distracting to the driver inside the car but definitely distracting to other drivers.

10/12/2018 - 3:13am In terms of game experience,…

In terms of game experience, you could argue that October night games are better then Nov (when we host PSU) night games.  It just so happens that the forecast for this game is November like weather.  So demand is lower.

But your point about the rivalries is correct.  This is the 5th most appealing game for M fans on the schedule.   

10/12/2018 - 3:10am And we're getting them for…

And we're getting them for relatively cheap so this is perfect.

10/11/2018 - 12:57am That's exactly what I…

The DT doesn't make the TFL but he does cause Wilson to bounce this instead of cutting upfield behind Bredeson into the gap the play is designed to create.

The guy who made the tackle is actually the spacebacker, Brooks, not the DE, that Bredeson was blocking.  When Wilson goes outside instead of the intended gap, it's fairly easy for Brooks to make the play.  Bredeson mayyybe could have made a better effort to block Brooks, but I'm not sure what the technique calls for there with a much quicker guy.  Do you go after him or just set up where you want to be and make him go around you like he did?

Does seem like something they'll have to change up if DTs are going to be shooting in so quickly like this.

10/11/2018 - 12:51am Their secondary is very…

Their secondary is very young and very banged up and the safety has to sit the first half for targeting. I'm not sure the pieces are there in the secondary for that unit to approach great.

Combined with a lack of pass rush, that's why their pass D has struggled.  There should be a lot of opportunities there.

I do think they're very well coached and could throw some things at Shea to confuse him.  As you said, he does seem to not do as well with reads when he's not getting what he (or the play design) expected.

10/11/2018 - 12:31am He mentioned this as being…

He mentioned this as being the route combination.  Likely was running a post with the wheel that Perry was running.  Had he widened out, he'd be running right into Perry's route.

Seems like Patterson was just late with this one and tried to avoid the safety instead of getting it out earlier and letting DPJ make a move on the safety. I think he needed to go to DPJ immediately after he saw the DB stay in for the screen or go through the progression to Perry down the sideline who had his man beat and didn't have the safety to worry about because he was closing on DPJ.

10/11/2018 - 12:09am In the OL section.

In the OL section.

10/10/2018 - 5:52pm I read this and immediately…

I read this and immediately assumed you probably didn't play serious sports and scroll down and of course Reader71 (who is probably the most informed, reasonable poster on this board and who played college OL) nailed it.

Players and athletes don't lose confidence that easily.  They didn't lose to ND and think woe is me, we aren't that good.  They said, look we basically dominated the second half, they hit some lucky passes, we're better than they are (EVERY athlete at this level thinks that way - Winovich even said as much after the game).

So of course, they've gone on to win 5 straight.  A loss here will be annoying but their divisional and conference goals will be in front of them, they'll be focused and motivated to get that bad taste out of their mouths in EL.

They would not be where they are, as individual players, if they lost confidence to the point of it being a problem that easily.

10/10/2018 - 2:32pm It can be both a huge game…

It can be both a huge game and the least important game left on the schedule since "huge" is relative.

And yeah, the GameDay stuff is fun, but I define "importance" by how desperately you need/want to win a given game.

It's impossible to argue that we need to win this game more than we need to win the MSU, PSU and OSU games since those games are 1) against rivals, two of which are on the road and 2) against divisional teams and thus have a much higher impact on M's chances to win the division which is a prerequisite to going to the conf title game.

So then it's a matter of whether it's more important to win this high profile game or not dorf a Rutgers or (more realistically) the IU game.  And that's debatable.  Does winning a high profile game benefit the program more than dorfing one of those games hurt the program?  I don't know.  Maybe.

There is one that that is certain: M can lose to Wisconsin and still make the playoff.  It can't lose to Rutgers or IU and still make the playoff which is why this is the game we can most withstand losing and hence is, by that definition, the least important game left on the schedule (but still huge, because they all are when you're trying win the division and go the the playoff!).

10/10/2018 - 2:21pm But neither of those are a…

But neither of those are a certainty.

I'd rather go to the playoff with a 15% chance of winning it all (which is probably about what it would be) than to go the Rose Bowl with a 50% chance of winning.

Why even play or follow or sport if you don't aspire to be on top?  This is a terrible take similar to the "I'd rather win some games in the NIT than lose in the NCAA tourney" which is what some people were saying mid-season last year.  And then we went to the title game.  Because we gave ourselves a chance.  That's all you can ask for is a chance.

10/10/2018 - 1:45pm It's more of a "Harbaugh can…

It's more of a "Harbaugh can't beat rivals" narrative, especially on the road and that won't change with a win this week.

10/10/2018 - 1:43pm Correct.  That was by far…

Correct.  That was by far the biggest game in JH's 3.5 years and will hopefully be eclipsed come late November this year.

We don't even have to win this week to still control our own destiny in terms of making The Game the most important, which shows that this week's game isn't that important.  It is a nice to have, not at all a must win.

10/10/2018 - 1:36pm Except that none of that is…

Except that none of that is the case here. 

Literally the only impact of this game on the actual season is that winning makes us about 15% likely to go to the playoff, losing puts the odds around 3% and on life support.

That's it.  A measly 12% difference in odds to go the playoff.  Odds of winning the division and conference barely move since it's a non-divisional foe.  It would give M a margin for error against MSU, Rutgers and IU, but I mean, Rutgers and IU aren't much of a concern.  And for all the reasons you want to win this game, the MSU game is twice as important in terms of winning on the road, beating a rival and all the "intangibles." 

This team isn't going to lose confidence if they lose to a good Wisconsin team. The program is in good shape and no one inside Schembechler cares about the takes that will follow.  They'll be ready to go in EL and then if they take care of business there, come home with a still huge game against PSU coming up.  Those games are what matter for setting M up for a winner-take all with OSU, not this one.

Heck, I'd rather spend parts of this week working on MSU to increase the odds of winning that because that game is so much more important.


10/10/2018 - 1:24pm That's ridiculous.  The…

That's ridiculous.  The wheels aren't going to come off if M loses this.  It's the difference between 11-1 and 10-2 or 10-2 and 9-3 but that's it.  One game. 

It's the least important game left on the schedule.  It would be great to win, of course.  But any other game would be worse to lose if we were to only lose one more game.

10/10/2018 - 12:50pm You were 100% correct until…

You were 100% correct until you said "I kind of don't want to bother with the CFP this year."

I mean, dude.  C'mon.  That's insane.  Of course we want to go to the CFP.  But if we're going to lose just one game this year, this is the game to lose.

I'm even going to make the argument that we'd have a decent shot at the playoff, if this is the only loss of the year.

M would be 11-2 with a loss to a good Wisconsin team that would later be avenged in the title game.  And then a loss to a likely playoff team.

That's probably good enough to get in over a one loss ACC champ (because look at Clemson's schedule, they likely won't have a win over a ranked team AND they'd have a loss to an iffy team), and then it's likely the PAC12 and Big 12 champs also have two losses.

Someone is going to get in with two losses sooner than later and this scenario for Michigan (one loss avenged, the other to a playoff team) is the most likely scenario for how it will happen.

10/09/2018 - 7:06pm Because it diminished the…

Because it diminished the importance of their rivalry game, the regular season and conference titles in general.

If the four most talented teams that recruited the best and have the highest chances, per Vegas, get to go to the Playoff, regular season wins and losses matter a lot less.

College football has the best regular season in sports.  That's what makes it so great.  That is being eroded.

Had the committee kept Alabama out, there would have been zero argument at the end of the playoff that the wrong team was crowned champ. 

The winner (probably Georgia) would be unanimously considered the best team last year and there would be no argument.  They won the conference that Alabama plays in by beating the team that had just beaten Alabama relatively easily.

10/09/2018 - 4:45pm They didn't blow out Miss St…

They didn't blow out Miss St., A&M, or LSU (and arguably not FSU) so it wasn't every team they played.

And yes, they were probably one of the best four teams in terms of talent, coaching, likelihood to win the title, etc.

But that was the case before the season even started. Before any games were played.  So if you're just going to base it solely on that, what's the point of playing games?

Auburn won the Iron Bowl and it meant absolutely nothing as it turned out.  That's a shame that a big game like that was rendered meaningless.  Auburn should have kept their rivals out of it with that win.

I think there has to be the right balance between "best" and "deserving" and it was bad for college football and the best regular season in sports for Alabama to be selected to the playoff last year.

10/09/2018 - 3:20pm But the fact that a real…

But the fact that a real journalist is dumb enough to use twitter to make some assumptions about how the overall fanbase is feeling, rather than understanding what twitter is - a place where the annoying few go to voice stupid opinions - makes that journalist dumber than a 7 year old. 

10/09/2018 - 3:16pm They weren't paid very much…

They weren't paid very much though, so you get what you pay for.

10/09/2018 - 2:36pm It's probability.

Say you…

It's probability.

Say you play three games and you have a 66% chance to win each game.

Just because you are favored to win each game, doesn't mean you are expected to win ALL three.

You have a 2 in 3 chance of winning each game which means you have a 1 in 3 chance of losing each one, so if you play three such games, you are expected to lose one of them.

While we are favored to win each of the Wisconsin, MSU and PSU games, we are expected to lose at least one of them.

10/09/2018 - 2:26pm Speaking of SEC bias, I know…

Speaking of SEC bias, I know the FPI uses recruiting rankings in their preseason predictions.  Does anyone know if the recruiting factor is eliminated later in the season and replaced by only using game data?

If recruiting remains part of the formula, there is a very real SEC bias. It is well known that SEC schools are consistently and systematically overrated in the recruiting rankings.  Many studies prove it.

But if the committee is relying on the FPI based Strength of Record, which I understand to be one of the top metrics they use, there is a big problem with using ESPNs own biased and flawed recruiting rankings.

10/09/2018 - 2:13pm If a 12-0 UGA loses to Bama…

If a 12-0 UGA loses to Bama in the SEC title game, they probably won't end up ahead of a 12-1 Michigan team, anyway.

They'll have both lost to very good playoff teams, Michigan on the road, so they won't be able to argue a "better" loss unless the committee dings M for losing to a Wimbush-led ND team. But even having a comparable loss would require UGA to keep close with Bama.

Michigan will have better wins, a likely tougher SoS and SoR, and a conference title.  Unlikely M would get left out in favor of a non-champ EVEN IF UGA is 12-1 and Clemson goes undefeated.


10/08/2018 - 6:48pm illegal tho?

I mean, if I…

illegal tho?

I mean, if I have a company and I set my headcount limit at 100 employees, is that an illegal restraint of trade?  I can decide how many people I want to hire just like the member universities of the NCAA have decided how many scholarships they want to give out.  

Your economics are also backwards.  If they're creating an artificial scarcity they would drive UP the price of labor.

What is potentially more "illegal" is that they've set a ceiling on the price directly and pegged it to the cost of a scholarship (for rule following institutions at least).  No need to tinker with supply and demand to get your desired price when you control the price.

10/08/2018 - 5:03pm You're also counting a bunch…

You're also counting a bunch of guys that are playing but whom Dantonio "claimed was hampered by his injury" because of course he's making excuses or guys that "got dinged up but came back into the game."

Stewart, Chewins, Campbell, they're all playing. We've had a bunch of those situations and I just grouped them into one category.  Metellus got dinged up in a game and came back, Long, Kemp, Patterson and Bush against ND, etc. 

It's football. Guys have to play dinged up all the time.

I also never said it was "the same".  I said it was "nearly" as many, which it is.

10/08/2018 - 2:23pm While this is a long list, I…

While this is a long list, I think if the same exercise were done for M, the list would be nearly as long. It's football.

  • Tarik Black
  • Solomon
  • Gary
  • Evans
  • Dwumfour
  • Vilain
  • St Juste
  • bunch of nicks and dings to other guys

The difference is Michigan has excellent depth.


10/08/2018 - 2:12pm Sounds like it.  Often with…

Sounds like it.  Often with a soft tissue injury that doesn't register in a diagnostic test, trainers will leave it up to the player because he's the only one that knows what kind of pain he's in and how effective he feels he can be.

And these are the classic situations in which coaches put a lot of pressure on guys to play because they figure if there's nothing detectible that is wrong, just fight through the pain.  These are the kinds of injuries that Zordich calls guys out for sitting.

So Scott is saying, I can't go.  Impossible to tell whether he thinks he's in danger of getting hurt more, whether he thinks he wouldn't be effective so it would hurt his draft stock (cuz have you seen that MSU line?) or what he's thinking. 

10/08/2018 - 1:54pm Have we had a down game at…

Have we had a down game at home?  Is SMU considered a down game?

10/08/2018 - 1:50pm I mean, if Michigan just had…

I mean, if Michigan just had normal Kenny Allen that game, they would have won comfortably.  He was 0-2 that game (and the coaches probably yanked him too quickly) and 19/21 in all other games that year.  In fact, he would go on to make ALL 15 of his FGs after that game.

Pretty sure he is the most accurate Michigan kicker in history at over 80 percent.

Just a fluky game.

10/08/2018 - 12:54pm So they both play the same…

So they both play the same position behind Bush?

Or is one playing the Furbush/Uche position that sees the field when M goes 3-3-5?

10/08/2018 - 12:53pm Jones may have missed a…

Jones may have missed a tackle further down field, but it was Gil's responsibility to play the keep and he just went to the pile with 5 other defenders where the give guy went and didn't play his assignment on Piggy.

10/08/2018 - 12:51pm Yeah, I didn't see that play…

Yeah, I didn't see that play (hence prefacing that I didn't watch the entire second half) but he is grading out as a guy that misses a lot of assignments and it sounds like while this may have been an impressive display of recognition/athleticism, it might not have been his assignment anyway.

I'm 99% sure it was his assignment to play the Piggy keep on the 42 yarder and he just went towards the pile and then was late getting to the edge on the next play.

Interested to see UFR this week for that.

10/08/2018 - 12:46pm This can't be upvoted enough.

This can't be upvoted enough.

10/08/2018 - 1:46am Hate to say it, but S&P+…

Hate to say it, but S&P+ which is entirely non-biased has 9 (!!) SEC teams in the top 25.

Missouri is at #23 along with the eight in the AP poll.

The SEC had a bit of a rough non-conf last year and was two teams and a lot of mediocre, but this year the conference is an absurd 34-5 in non-conference games this year.  Yes, they play a lot of cupcakes, but that's insane.

Two of those losses were Arkansas.

So the remaining 13 teams have only lost 3 nonconf games:

A&M to Clemson

Vandy to ND (by only 5! The best performance against ND by any team this year by margin)

Tennesee to WVU.

That's it.  Three losses to top 10 teams and whatever Arkansas is doing on the field.


10/08/2018 - 1:21am Uhh, what do you think the…

Uhh, what do you think the eye test is?

If you go into OT against Army, that says to my eyes you were only slightly better than Army on that day and that means you were pretty bad on that day.

10/08/2018 - 1:00am I have to admit I didn't…

LB discussion:

I have to admit I didn't even watch most of the second half.  Was a yawner and that OU Texas game was incredible and MSU-Northwestern was at least wild even if poorly played.

BUT, I flipped back over for the end of our game in time to watch Gil totally biff the read option on which Piggy kept it for like 40 yards and then he appeared to be the culprit on the 20 yarder the following play to get Maryland to the 5.

He seems like not a good football player and I hate to say that about a college kid, but it's baffling that he's even the backup after grading out poorly week after week.

Does anyone know what's going on with Anthony/Singleton? Seems like one of those guys should be ahead of Gil by now.  But it seems like Ross shouldn't be sharing time with him either so maybe he's just a practice stud?

10/08/2018 - 12:48am Correct.  They don't want to…

Correct.  They don't want to be long one way or the other.  That's why they move lines.  Try to get a balance of bets on either side.

10/08/2018 - 12:36am Teams get three points just…

Teams get three points just for being at home.

Do you really think Wisconsin is as good or better than Michigan?  With their home loss to BYU?  And their giving up 500 yards and 24 points to Nebraska?

10/08/2018 - 12:31am 1) Not sustainable to…

1) Not sustainable to continue giving up a lot of yards and not get scored on more and

2) They've played a very weak schedule yet still given up a lot of yards.  Does not bode well for legitimate teams as others have pointed out.

10/08/2018 - 12:26am Of course he doesn't intend…

Of course he doesn't intend to be awkward.  The question is, can he intend not to be awkward?

10/08/2018 - 12:16am Yeah, when they announced…

Yeah, when they announced last week that Herbie and Fowler would be doing the broadcast, had to be a foregone conclusion.

10/07/2018 - 11:50pm I'm sure they fly/bus in on…

I'm sure they fly/bus in on Disney supplied transportation so accessibility does not matter.

It probably is a combination of the facts that UGA is a relatively heavy favorite over LSU, the game is on CBS (which isn't a deal breaker but is a factor, I'm sure) and if UGA wins, they'll almost certainly be doing the Florida-UGA game two weeks following.  And if LSU wins, they may want to do Bama at LSU on the 3rd.

But mostly that they're betting they'll be doing a UGA game in Jacksonville on the 27th.


10/07/2018 - 11:26pm WVU probably stays ahead of…

WVU probably stays ahead of M if both win out, but WVU is not going to win out so probably don't have to worry about that.

But yes, just like Texas jumped M last week, if M wins out, M will jump them both.  M might jump both this week with a win (OU is on bye and Texas hosts Baylor).

10/07/2018 - 11:15pm Gotta think they'll be going…

Gotta think they'll be going to Austin for WVU at Texas on Nov. 3, right?

Barring significant upsets in the next couple weeks, that should be a top 8ish matchup.

10/07/2018 - 4:01pm Beg to differ.  Stanford…

Beg to differ.  Stanford looks terrible (should have three losses as they got super lucky v Oregon) and VTech lost to Old Dominion.  OSU's win over PSU on the road is probably better than ND's home win over M.  OSUs basically road win over TCU is also better than ND's second best win which is probably the road win over 47th ranked (S&P+) VTech which is a bit more difficult than a home win over 41st ranked Stanford.

OSU is ahead of ND in every possible measure.

ND might have an argument to be ranked over Clemson, but their win at A&M looks pretty good right now.  Clemson is ahead of ND in the advanced stats but ND could argue that they've been better since Book was inserted at QB.