Hoke Chimes In and Would Not Have Punted
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/2015/10/21/ex-michigan-coach-br…
Okay, you guys are sick of seeing MSU threads, chew on this one.
Personally, if we have the No. 1 defense in the nation I'm going to test those guys," Hoke said. "You've got to play to the strength of your football team and the strength of the Michigan football team all year long has been their defense." He said he was sure "Jimmy" went over what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it but Hoke said there are too many potential breakdowns on a punt. "No. 1, I think the one gunner to the field should have been in a little bit more and if you're going to punt it there's ways to protect it a little better," Hoke said. Hoke first credited the MSU defense for forcing fourth down and said he would have gone for it at that point, handing the ball to De'Veon Smith and "challenge your offensive line" or play-action pass to take four to five seconds off the clock.
October 21st, 2015 at 3:49 PM ^
I hereby giveth your post three claps, walking away.
October 21st, 2015 at 4:20 PM ^
This, after all the gracious and kind things Harbaugh has said about Hoke during the transition / right after the hire.
Really bad look, Brady.
October 21st, 2015 at 11:25 PM ^
October 21st, 2015 at 2:46 PM ^
A Hoke led team wouldn't have been in that position.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:49 PM ^
Hoke would have been down 35-11.
I mean, he's on the radio now so he's just doing his job, but this sounds like sour grapes.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:57 PM ^
3 FG's and safety?? Did Hoke ever score a TD against MSU?
October 21st, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^
35-11 was last year's score. We kicked a FG and got a TD and 2-pointer.
October 21st, 2015 at 3:44 PM ^
October 21st, 2015 at 4:07 PM ^
No- they offered him a TD, and he accepted the offer without questioning how many points it was worth. He just knew he wanted that TD, no matter how many points it was worth.
October 21st, 2015 at 3:51 PM ^
Other than the 12-10 win, my recollection of the UM-MSU game under Hoke is UM's offense struggling to do anything.
October 21st, 2015 at 5:32 PM ^
Not even "other than."
Scoring 12 points still meant our offense was struggling a ton against MSU under Hoke. The only reason that we won in 2012 is because MSU's offense was even worse than ours.
October 21st, 2015 at 6:23 PM ^
I'm surprised how many people seem to be confused about how you can score 11 in a football game. This has come up a few times in the last couple of weeks.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:53 PM ^
I regret that I have but one upvote to give this comment
October 21st, 2015 at 3:08 PM ^
Logged in to upvote.
October 21st, 2015 at 3:20 PM ^
True. You can't punt when the opposition is in the victory formation.
October 21st, 2015 at 3:46 PM ^
Absolutely the first thing that came to my mind. No reason to punt if you're down by 20+
October 21st, 2015 at 2:47 PM ^
Shut up Hoke.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:47 PM ^
So you want to just go for it on 4th down? At midfield with 10 seconds to go? And give MSU a likely chance at a hail mary play? Idiot.
Never forget he called a timeout at the half to allow a hail mary to happen against him.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^
To be fair, he's right. The correct move is to go for it when you know you're only going to be able to get 10 guys out there on the punt team.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:49 PM ^
If he is the head coach, the special teams are such a mess you are better off going for it. Also you would be down 3 scores at that point so it wouldn't matter.
October 21st, 2015 at 3:05 PM ^
I think you're being generous if you believe Hoke and his coaching staff would have had Michigan playing to within 3 scores of MSU this year. (Not only would our secondary be lost, but our QB situation would have been much worse.)
October 21st, 2015 at 4:18 PM ^
Screw Hoke...
I thought he'd be talking about his secrets of QB recruiting.
But then again, Hoke's special teams were so proficient and were so good in coverage. /s
Sometimes you are better off saying nothing.
October 21st, 2015 at 4:57 PM ^
successful.
October 21st, 2015 at 5:36 PM ^
Dratted Double Post...
October 21st, 2015 at 3:06 PM ^
Exactly. You're playing against a team whose main staple is throwing it deep to a WR (Cook to Burbridge). Don't give them another chance.
October 21st, 2015 at 3:25 PM ^
punt formation is not committing more blockers to the LOS, because Sparty didn't have anyone back and there was an uncovered gunner who wasn't going to be passed to no matter what.
In the end, the only reason the call didn't succeed is because the punt snap wasn't caught and the ball kicked. The ball wasn't snapped poorly, it was just not caught and then misplayed.
But Harbaugh considered the alternatives and went with the punt because the punter had been a great weapon all day.
He also knew the history of Michigan defending Hail Mary throws and MSU in catching them. So, he didn't want a repeat of any final play involving a deep pass. You take time off the clock and possibly get a first down with a running play. But if they stop it after a few seconds. You give them maybe two plays to throw deep if you don't get the first down.
I guess that high school coach who never punts would disagree with Harbaugh as well.
October 21st, 2015 at 3:41 PM ^
I mean, if we have an uncovered gunner with nobody near him, why didnt we just hike it to one of the guys in the shield and throw a duck to him.
October 21st, 2015 at 4:55 PM ^
throwing a pass while under a heavy rush.
October 21st, 2015 at 4:56 PM ^
October 21st, 2015 at 3:45 PM ^
outcome. As O'Neill said, if he had handled the snap cleanly, he would have gotten the kick off.
October 21st, 2015 at 4:11 PM ^
about this with a guy on here, while at it's core you're correct - my argument is that you could've increased the probabilty of the punt working, even if there was a bobble if you went into max protect. I.e., accommodating for weird shit that can happen in those high stress situations.
October 21st, 2015 at 5:55 PM ^
He can say it that but neither he nor you can know it. That's why the game is played.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:47 PM ^
I didn't post this for fear of the messenger being killed.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:50 PM ^
Spot on, ma'am!
October 21st, 2015 at 3:05 PM ^
parts sent to the four corners of the realm.
October 21st, 2015 at 4:16 PM ^
I am going to downvote everything Hoke related in OP out of principal go forward.
What a fucking buffoon. His Shane Morris led, 10 men on the field punting outfit, wasting all this potential on defense, cant teach OL to play team would have been disintegrated by MSU.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:47 PM ^
The last thing we need is Hoke critiquing the team, especially on this game. Very disappointed in him.
October 21st, 2015 at 3:27 PM ^
Poor guy. He unfortunately learned his tone-deafness from the previous AD.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^
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October 21st, 2015 at 6:32 PM ^
Knew how many players to send out. Usually 10 players or half the sideline.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:57 PM ^
Sure why not use the defense when you're down by 40...
October 21st, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^
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October 21st, 2015 at 3:25 PM ^
Why would this be deleted?
October 21st, 2015 at 3:31 PM ^
In this case instead of "in before delete", maybe the poster is saying that this topic triggered a bout of irritable bowel disease.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:54 PM ^
Woulda, coulda, shoulda.....
My guess is we would have been throwing Hail Mary passes trying to catch up at that point and not defending a lead if he was still here.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:49 PM ^
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October 21st, 2015 at 3:52 PM ^
I'm not sure his hindsight is 20/20 in this case.
October 21st, 2015 at 2:49 PM ^
Hoke would have gone for it, because his team would have been down by three scores at the time.