Are you already worried about DPJ not living up to his lofty rankings?
Consensus top 25 overall player in his class, so far has looked good but not great. Obviously he has an excuse last year with nobody to deliver him the ball, but in general his body of work looks more like a high 3* or low 4* recruit at this point in his Michigan career.
Obviously the guy is going to be successful as hell, and could very well be prepping himself to go straight to Medical School without any career in football beyond college. But is anybody else just a tad underwhelmed with DPJ up to this point?
September 12th, 2018 at 6:25 PM ^
This is stupid. He didn't blow people away his freshman year, but a majority of 5* receivers don't. Some do, he didn't, he was stuck with horrible QB play, deal with it.
This year, he has played in two games. Two. Michigan had abominable protection in one game; they threw only a handful of passes in the other. DPJ caught passes in both, including a nice TD.
The idea that you can make a full evaluation on the body of work for a season after two games is absurd, much less evaluate a guy's entire career after a freshman year and two games.
You're getting dunked on in this thread and the thread deserves every last one of them.
September 12th, 2018 at 7:03 PM ^
Respectfully disagree.
Just the fact that Black and Collins have surpassed him at wr says something.
And punt returns are a scary thing half the time with him back there.
Not hating, just agreeing that the op makes a point.
Go Blue.
September 12th, 2018 at 8:46 PM ^
Has Martin passed him too?
September 12th, 2018 at 10:40 PM ^
Black isn't surpassing anyone as long as there's a cast on his foot.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:28 PM ^
No. Next question.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:29 PM ^
Can we just push all these into a permanent dumb snowflakes thread?
September 12th, 2018 at 6:29 PM ^
DPJ is faster than you....
September 12th, 2018 at 6:33 PM ^
shitpost
September 12th, 2018 at 6:33 PM ^
1) coaches signed JOK
2) coach forgot to hire a full-time WR coach
3) coach decides to use DPJ at the line of scrimmage (sweeps, quick routes). Is that because he hasn't proven the ability to get open downfield? Or is that a bad game plan by coach?
September 12th, 2018 at 6:33 PM ^
No, He has the skill, now he needs the opportunity. Shea needs to trust him with the 50-50 and 60-40 balls and give him a chance to make plays. Every week we see teams tossing up balls and letting their play makers go get them. We need to do the same. Hopefully, Shea gives DPJ the chance to make both of them great for Michigan.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:37 PM ^
Doesn't seem like a big Yards After Catch (YAC) guy to me, but it's still early on in his career. He's decent punt returner, but doesn't look that shifty, more of a big bodied, north south runner. I'm no scout, but agree that Nico Collins looks better at least at this point
September 12th, 2018 at 7:13 PM ^
DPJ reminds me of Steve Breaston in the way he plays, but more talented. Still seems like he's not "playing fast" yet.
September 12th, 2018 at 7:54 PM ^
He reminds me of Jason Avant. Catches every 7 yard pass thrown his way.
September 13th, 2018 at 2:51 AM ^
you mean the jason avant that had a 10 year nfl career? i will take that numbnuts.
September 13th, 2018 at 12:42 PM ^
This guy.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:43 PM ^
Give the (amazingly gifted) kid a chance. He definitely flashed some of his talent and skills last year, or did you skip watching those games? But if you did, I honestly don't blame you, that was the most disappointing QB'ing in my fifty years of watching Michigan football. Some of the disappointment was watching two of our three QB's get hurt, thanks to our horrible pass protection, plus a fair measure of godawful playcalling - that's on the coaching staff. The rest of my disappointment was the QB play itself, featuring O'Korn, who should never have been put on field. Great guy, I wish him the best, but he wasn't B1G caliber. But getting back to DPJ, he's vastly talented, and let's see how he blossoms with 100% better QB play this year.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:43 PM ^
Like, more/less worried/underwhemed than with Rashan?
September 12th, 2018 at 6:47 PM ^
This thread is not triple A rated, you're not living up to your expectations!
September 12th, 2018 at 6:49 PM ^
He’s a true sophomore, in the starting lineup, and has caught 10 passes already. So no, I’m not too worried.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:57 PM ^
I think it's important to state that the amount of responsibility put on DPJ as a true frosh (#1WR and PR) was a lot for any 5 star WR (heck..any receiver in D1 football). Not to mention the poor QB and o-line play last year he had to play with last year. So, while he "might" not be the freak 5 star that comes with such lofty expectations, he is having a pretty big impact so far...and his trajectory is on the up.
However, I will fully admit that he hasn't YET lived up to that 5-star ranking. And, I am not sure he ever will. I think he will end up being an All-American and will play in the NFL, but not the dominant force we expect him to be. He just doesn't seem like a natural born football player to me. He's supposedly very bright, so it wouldn't surprise me if he overthinks things on the field, as opposed to just balling out in games.
Yeah, these are hot takes and the only support I use to make these conclusions is my own eye test as a former D1 athlete. However, since day 1, he doesn't seem to look comfortable on the field to me. Maybe its a lack of confidence? Or longer adjustment to the D1 speed? Info overload? etc etc etc ..I mean...5-Star guys don't have issues catching punts if they are a returner. It doesn't seem to come natural to him.
I will end with this though. He is fast once he hits top speed, but I don't think he has a great first step or explosion. (Again...eye test) And I "think" that lack of a 5-star first step/explosion is what's not making me say "5-Star." But, I think he will mature into a VERY good receiver and route runner. He will move the chains and be our possession receiver. If the staff can get him the ball with more open space to attack, he will do even better.
Hopefully, I am wrong and something clicks during the season... he makes that HUGE jump by end of season and dominates games. When you have the skill set like he does, once the "mental aspect" is second nature, then you explode. So, hopefully it's just some more maturity and experience.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:58 PM ^
You’re nuts. You do realize he has more career touchdowns than Drake Harris, Shane Morris, and Dennis Norfleet COMBINED, don’t you?
September 12th, 2018 at 7:02 PM ^
Quit drinking and go to bed
September 12th, 2018 at 7:13 PM ^
I took some flak for this when Peoples-Jones was recruited, but I said then that he was going to be underwhelming at Michigan. The truth is that Jim Harbaugh's offense has never really produced dynamic wide receivers who have put up great numbers. It doesn't mean the PLAYERS are worse, but it could mean the PRODUCTION is underwhelming.
Peoples-Jones is a good player, but IMO, he's not going to be a dynamic WR in college. He might be the type of guy who looks better in the NFL than he does in college.
September 12th, 2018 at 11:40 PM ^
Which would be the opposite of what happened throughout the 90’s and 2000’s with the exception of Toomer and Avant.
September 12th, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^
The guy is a sophomore.
September 12th, 2018 at 7:26 PM ^
As a receiver, no. The guy gets open deep. Last year he had no one to throw him the ball and freshmen receivers struggle in general. Against ND, Shea had no time to throw him the ball. He made a big impact against WMU and I expect he'll get better and better as the season goes along.
As a punt returner, yes. He has made some big plays in that aspect but I think those are outweighed by the negatives. I think it's time to take him out of that role.
September 12th, 2018 at 7:41 PM ^
no you punk pitch
(this is a joke).
September 12th, 2018 at 7:45 PM ^
I think of him more as a Terrell Owens, possession type, more than a down the field, bomb catching Randy Moss.
September 12th, 2018 at 7:50 PM ^
Logged in to note that this is a bad thread OP
Don't click enter next time.
September 12th, 2018 at 7:54 PM ^
Last year he was a true freshman who was expected to be the #1 by the end of the season even though freshman receivers almost universally are bad.
This year we've played two games, and in one of them we leaned heavily on the running game.
September 12th, 2018 at 8:24 PM ^
If DPJ had went to Bama, you eyes would be popping at how good he is.
September 12th, 2018 at 8:33 PM ^
They're real to me dammit!
September 12th, 2018 at 8:37 PM ^
Thing I like about DPJ is that he doesn't seem like your over hyped, primadonna type. Numbers be damned, I think he's willing to do whatever helps the team even if it goes unnoticed.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:00 PM ^
Another shit post from a shit poster posting shit.
DPJ is fine. Aside form the QB play last year, he was the only WR on the field capable of catching the ball after Perry, Black, and Schoenle went down with injury. Nobody bothered to cover Crawford or McDoom. And yet he was hand waveringly open pretty much every time he exited zone coverage or got manned up.
Two games this year, and he has caught the only 10 balls thrown his way.
Shit posters posting shit.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:08 PM ^
Real head scratcher here.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:15 PM ^
FFS he is only a true sophomore. With bad QB play last year and an OLine that can’t pass block.....how can you even post this crap????
September 12th, 2018 at 9:34 PM ^
I logged in just to say that I think this is a horrible question. The young man has played well this year. He ran a nice route on his td catch last Saturday. He leads the team in receptions this year. He had a nice punt return against ND in the 4th quarter. Find something else to gripe about, or simply stop nitpicking to find thread topics.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:36 PM ^
seriously? This OP may be one of the dumbest I have seen in 6 months and that’s saying something given the ridiculousness of OT season.
Second of all:
1. bad - terrible QB play + incoherent pass pro scheme for all of 2017
2. Significant tackle pass pro deficiencies in 2018, rendering the majority of pass plays to be of the role-out variety, which limits the WR route depth to a certain degree.
If you are actuallyTony Gerdman, fine, you have your agenda, but kindly fuck off. If not, u are clueless and should never post again.
All,that said The Kid has done well when given a legitimate opportunity.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:37 PM ^
Has the original poster ever seen first and second year receivers play in major roles? Yeeeesh
September 12th, 2018 at 10:19 PM ^
Julio Jones was ranked the same as DPJ....... he had 924 yards receiving as a freshman.
Amari Cooper? 1000 yards as a freshman.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:30 PM ^
Man you’re fucking dumb
September 12th, 2018 at 10:31 PM ^
Yeah, but they didn't have to endure the cyclone of suck that DPJ had at QB last year.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:43 PM ^
Mods delete this fucking garbage troll post
September 12th, 2018 at 9:50 PM ^
For the record, I think it's lame that people are instantly outraged at the thought that dpj may not live up to our hopes. I do not agree that he is a disappointment at this point. I was hoping he would be a transcendent talent and he still has time. I'm happy he's on the team and we have reason to be optimistic. I don't know why people are so furious about this post, though. The op didn't say anything inflammatory; I think the reaction to the post is just immature.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:43 PM ^
The OP didn't really say anything at all. That, at least to me, is the issue with the post. He basically says "he hasn't played as well as some hypothetical top-25 player should, but then again the team around him has been bad, but he's also not putting up great production, but I'm still totally a fan and he's a genius and go blue." Which is fine, I guess, but then why ask it? There isn't really a question here, beyond a subjective assessment of someone who has played in 15 games.
He also later on cherry-picks stats by saying DPJ is a possession receiver because this year he's averaging 6.9 yards on 10 catches. Last year, of course, he averaged 12.6 ypc, which would be a top-150/175 rate nationally and in the ballpark of Tarik Black (13.5 compared to 12.6, and that's pretty misleading since most of those yards came on his one bomb against Florida), a WR nobody would be worried about and assume is a future NFL guy.
He looks really solid as a WR. I'd be fine if he stopped returning punts, but as a WR I see no reason why he won't have a great little run the next two years and then considers the NFL.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:57 PM ^
I guess you did not see the catch he made last week. It was brilliant! meh, what is your point??? You didn't even elaborate....just threw out something to stir it up right?
September 12th, 2018 at 10:22 PM ^
Solid catch, but the throw was more impressive.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:34 PM ^
I mean, based on the premise of this post it reads like you are definitely "worried" about DPJ's output as a WR, and will likely dispute any and all evidence to the contrary.
He has played exactly 2 games when not a true freshman and not playing with a collection of QBs who, for better or for worse, were the worst statistical group in modern Michigan history. It's basically them or 2008, and I still think Michigan's offense was more robust in RR's first year.