Was it as bad as we think?
I was at the game and it felt like a train wreck. However, watching it live you don’t see as much as you do when you watch the tape. I finally got a chance to watch the game. I came away thinking it wasn’t quite as bad as I thought at first. There were so many plays here or there that could’ve made a huge difference. I don’t feel like Notre Dame outclassed us at all, it certainly wasn’t like 2014. The problem is, every single big game we have feels like the same thing. One play or two plays or a handful of plays here or there that the other team makes and we don’t make. Does anyone feel any better about this game after letting it brew for a couple days? Or is the sky still falling? I’m not really sure what to think at this point.
September 4th, 2018 at 2:54 PM ^
Only it’s not funny because he said they could lose IN Arizona and the last I checked, ASU was very definitely IN Arizona.
September 4th, 2018 at 2:32 PM ^
Yeah, and that Arizona State, team. They play TO WIN the game.
September 4th, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^
this is pedantic, but he said they might lose ‘in arizona’, not ‘to arizona’.
September 4th, 2018 at 6:01 PM ^
Yea lol, Arizona state is in Arizona too, thats what I meant hahaha
September 4th, 2018 at 3:04 PM ^
PREACH...MGrowOld!!!
Too often we try to rationalize the poor product we’re seeing on the field. We absolutely clowned MSU for that disatrous 3-9 2016 campaign but over their last 18 games the Spartans record is far superior than ours. We can’t block anybody, and in this sport at this level that is crucial! For the past 2 off-seasons we were sold a bill of goods that a new OL coach would come in here and get the players right and we would not have the same issues going into the season. Yet here we are again after another loss asking how can the OL improve.
And that doesn’t even begin to bring up the odd coaching decisions that were made Saturday night. Why did Chris Evans not get more touches? Why in one of the biggest drives of the game, Nico and DPJ were on the sidelines. Why if Dwumfor is just as good as Mo Hurst(summer camp hype), was he not starting? Why pass on 2nd & goal from the 2? Why not have a sense of urgency on offense down 2 scores in the 4th?
September 4th, 2018 at 5:46 PM ^
I didn't pay much attention to offseason rabble and this game only confirmed that decision to be a good one. None of the information that comes out of these offseason training camps means anything. Hell, none of the information that comes out of Harbaughs mouth (to the media) means anything. What you see on the field is factual and everything else is smoke and mirrors or just pure nonsense.
September 4th, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^
MGrowOld, I completely agree with you. Michigan is NOT in a good place. Nothing I saw looked like there is any reason to think we will be much better than 8 wins with losses against the usuals. I think a potential win vs MSU is the likely highlight of our season.
September 4th, 2018 at 9:21 PM ^
After 3 seasons Brady Hoke was 26-13
After 3 seasons Harbaugh is 28-11.
Harbaugh inherited WAY more talent than Hoke did (look at the dearth of NFL players Hoke recruited that were drafted after '16).
'17 offensive stats were nearly identical to '14. The O-line may be worse this year than last year. The interior of the D-line looks like it's a step back from '17.
I can easily see next Saturday's game being 21-17 going into the 4th quarter and at that point, who knows what the outcome will be.
September 4th, 2018 at 5:17 PM ^
I think it’s a reasonable reaction to the other conference games and the level of opponents.
For me, this season turns on the Northwestern game. It’s on the road. By that time, both teams will be ranked. If that streak was going to be broken this year, that would be the optimal opportunity, given the level of crowd hostility and the likelihood that UM will have superior talent at most positions. A win, and you’re potentially set up for a decent October run through the gauntlet. A loss, and serious questions need to be answered.
September 4th, 2018 at 5:55 PM ^
MGrowOld nails it.
I guess I get why people have to play the ifs and buts game to make themselves feel better, but it doesnt make me feel better.
The fact is, our head coach acts nothing like the same guy that he was when he got here, and neither does the team. They're disorganized, commit tons of mental mistakes, and don't beat anybody good.
People realize we used to have these same record of 3 and 4 losses in the 90s and 2000s right? And while those teams were also infuriating sometimes with wasted potential, they never looked like the current team does which is totally disorganized and totally overmatched on the offensive line.
I promise you, most of these same people now saying the loss on Saturday was okay and that 3 or 4 losses is what we should have expected were the same ones telling their friends how many big ten titles we'd have by now, and that we may have a national title at that point.
At some point the team just needs to play better than what's expected. Every other major program in college football seems to manage it once and a while, except for us, Tennessee, Florida, ans Texas it seems.
September 4th, 2018 at 6:36 PM ^
Well said.
Yes, there are some who overreact, but it truly seems that reality is more in line with those over -reactions at this point in time.
The numbers are ugly, and the numbers don't lie.
September 4th, 2018 at 7:03 PM ^
Yes, they've lost four in a row as a program. That includes a bowl game, three different starting QBs, and this is a new year with a different team. 3 of the 4 games were probably top 10 teams. It's not great, but at least add context. People's expectations cause them misery.
September 4th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^
How is lowering expectations due to an early season loss any different than the years Bo was the coach. In those days you could count on a close loss to ND early. In the years they beat ND, they would lose to a team they would have no business losing to. We have been conditioned to rationalize it for the last 50 years.
September 4th, 2018 at 2:33 PM ^
Can we talk about urban liar and his latest scandal again?
September 4th, 2018 at 2:44 PM ^
Not here, not right now.
This is "focus on us" time!
September 4th, 2018 at 11:56 AM ^
I watched the every snap video and came away feeling the same. I think the immediate 14-0 hole painted everything after that negatively. We spent much of the first half in ND territory without scoring, which suggests that the offense is absolutely fixable. I thought Karan ran the ball fine in the first half as well. Plenty of solid 4-7 yard inside runs. Unfortunately, we didn't break any big ones and shot ourselves in the foot on several occasions. Definitely salvageable IMO.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:13 PM ^
Can't agree with this any more. I was also at the game, and my feelings leaving the stadium were very negative. Upon re-watching the game, there were several 50/50 plays and calls that could've gone either way that ND seemed to capitalize on. My hope is with this veteran team, specifically the defense, we can turn this narrative spread by the media that "the sky is falling", and use this game as a learning opportunity. The loss stings, but we still have all of our goals in front of us. Also, sidebar, Shea looked great IMO. He throws well placed balls, meaning that he doesn't simply complete passes, but he hits receivers in the part of their body that the ball needs to hit depending on the route. We don't have Wilton in there throwing the ball over receivers heads, or JOK simply taking sacks. For that, I am thankful.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:36 PM ^
But Shea did take a couple sacks that were almost O'Kornsian in their foolishness... In fact, Flutie pointed it out when the second one happened: mobile quarterbacks often think they can rescue the play with their feet (paraphrasing).
September 4th, 2018 at 12:42 PM ^
One of those sacks took us out of field goal range. He wasn't perfect, but he was very good considering the circumstances.
September 4th, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^
Maybe the team should have learned from the "sky is falling narrative" of last year and use it as a learning opportunity instead of waiting to lose their 4th game in a row considering it a learning opportunity.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:15 PM ^
There was a big, fat, massive, huge, craterous, parting-of-the-seas hole in the first half that Higdon missed. It's another example of our guys not making plays, while ND made nearly all of theirs.
Is that coaching? Fair question. I have no idea if coaches can "coach" making plays. I'd really like to see some data or analysis on that, not sure if it's possible.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:19 PM ^
Yeah, I saw that one and it was painful when it happened. It probably would have led to a huge gain. He looked like he saw it too late and bumped into the butt of a lineman and fell over. I also saw him hit a lot of much smaller holes effectively.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:23 PM ^
I rewatched that one a few times. He had his left foot down and a lot of momentum when it opened to his left, so he didn't have much chance to redirect at that point (i.e., I don't think it was a vision issue). If only he had hit the hole a bit slower he'd have gotten at least 10-15 and hopefully a lot more.
September 4th, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^
Right, the very next play he slipped a crashing safety and made a decent gain out of nothing.
I know every RB doesn't make every play, but that was am enormous miss. All of the other good runs squeezed out and extra couple of yards - he could have made more than all of that on one run. Changes momentum too.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^
We lost every key 3rd down play on the three touchdown drives. Many of those were 50/50 plays. Hill had a rough 1st half.
The Achilles heal on this D seems to be a running threat QB on broken plays or QB draws. Once the QB breaks contain on the DL it seems he is running for days.
It’s very concerning when you look at Haskins, Lewerke, and McSorely. I hope Don Brown has an answer.
QB play looks like a huge upgrade after rewatching the game. ND has a great DL but good God on the tackle play and shame on our lack of blocking backs.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:52 PM ^
That's an achilles heel for literally every single modern defense that plays mostly man coverage. No defense is without flaws.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^
I bet the designed QB draw doesn't happen again this year. People will try and the D will kill it. That seems like a first game thing.
Overrunning a blitz against a mobile QB? Yeah they have to fix that. Bush has to be more patient when he spies: you don't need a tfl or or minimal gain on that, you just need to prevent the big gain. Stay back, let him have 5 yards and get off the field
September 4th, 2018 at 3:41 PM ^
Totally agree, Bush has such an aggressive mentality that even when he's spying, he's trying to get a tackle for loss, and that shouldn't be the goal. The goal is just don't give up a first down. The point of spying is to not charge forward recklessly, which seemed to keep happening.
September 4th, 2018 at 8:57 PM ^
Rewatch the 2016 OSU game, Barrett killed us on broken plays. It is an Achilles heel of this Defense. Thought he would tag Bush to spy him, but it doesn’t seem as if that was the plan.
September 4th, 2018 at 1:12 PM ^
The problem with what I seen was that the ends were getting around but the interior DLline had no push to close the pocket, which let Wimbush run up the middle and not into our blitzing DEs. We should have ran more Spy plays.
September 4th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
Yeah I totally agree. Either that has to get addressed (put DE's on the field a la OSU last year), or yeah maybe more spying
September 4th, 2018 at 1:13 PM ^
There were plays where WImbush took something that is actually a strength of this defense and turned it into a weakness, which is the very speed and aggression that allows them to be otherwise a very tough defense. Playing man coverage all the time will eventually lead to that though - hopefully, Brown has an answer for that.
September 4th, 2018 at 11:57 AM ^
We played like shit and only lost by 7 points, at night on the road.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^
*To a Top 10 team.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^
*Hopefully
September 4th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^
Well, they're currently ranked #12. Looking at their schedule, they actually could stay that way even if they aren't outstanding. Through no fault of their own, a couple of their marquee opponents looked awful in week 1.
Ball State - W
Vanderbilt - W
Wake Forest - W
Stanford - Tossup - They won their game but not look too impressive against SDSU at all. Bryce Love was completely erased.
Virginia Tech - Tossup - May be very good
Pitt - W
Navy - W
Northwestern - W
Florida State - W - Looked like total ass.
Syracuse - W
USC - Tossup - I'm not impressed with Helton and they're replacing a first round draft QB
September 4th, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^
And the offense generated a grand total of 1 td! The 2017 team says hello. Silver lining is the moral victories! HA HA.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^
Troll above. Disregard comments.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^
The ole stand by troll comment. Thanks homer.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:29 PM ^
...with biased referring, a new QB (who already is an upgrade) not so great play calling, and not 1 TE motion end blocking support.
We were better than against Utah, Fact, and ND is a better team, Fact. However, ND went into a shell of offense after putting up 21, ND D leaned on the front 7 and we failed to counter it.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:45 PM ^
The "Notre Dame went into a shell" isn't actually true. They bunkered down on offense the last two drives the of the game which you'd expect, but before that they passed 8 times and ran 12 in the second half. The problem for them was Wimbush's magic had worn off in the air. He was 2-7 for 22 yards with an INT and one sack.
This game really turned when those first few passes dropped for ND and weren't picked by the defense.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^
The reffing was totally fine. That's a garbage excuse.
September 4th, 2018 at 1:44 PM ^
Totally? I think we can all remember a couple gift spots the Irish received, as well as the ND announcers themselves pointing out the uncalled holding on their 3rd touchdown.
I am in no way blaming the refs for the loss, but saying it was totally fine is not accurate in the least.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:44 PM ^
Deja Vu...we thought the same thing vs Florida last year
September 4th, 2018 at 11:57 AM ^
It isn't really this game that is resulting in such outrage, really. It is that we seem to continue to lose games by making the same mistakes over and over again. It also did not help that our defense, the "backbone" of the team, completely biffed the first half and put our offense in a hole that it could not be at this point in the proceedings. It, quite frankly, was my least favorite first quarter in college football history.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:06 PM ^
What he said.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^
This.
September 4th, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^
Yes yes it was
September 4th, 2018 at 12:00 PM ^
On the one hand, no. We had the ball with 2 minutes to go down a TD. On the road at night against a top ten team. That's a tough position for any team, and we lost. That's not the end of the world.
On the other, the offense scored only 10 points, underperforming again; the defense looked a bit vulnerable; and while the score in 2014 was much worse, we came away from that game saying, "hey, we outgained them."
My answer is, ask again later. We'll see what this team becomes. The Florida win was a mirage last year, but perhaps this loss is a bit of a mirage, too. Given how mediocre the team was in creampuff games last year, I think we actually learn a bit even in blowouts. And then, of course, there are a couple of games in October that will really tell us where Michigan is.
September 4th, 2018 at 12:03 PM ^
I think our fanbase is overreacting to this loss (shocker) just like we overreacted to the UF win last year. We're probably going to surprise and crush Western on Saturday. I'm gonna guess 52-10