Meyer banned from OSU property, cannot contact players
There are some new reports out covering some of the deals of Meyer's administrative leave. In particular, he's not allowed to contact players, he has no access to his university email account or communication devices, and he can't be on OSU property.
Here's a link to the story.
I have nothing more to add. I will wait for more information before I change my opinion that since the story broke about Smith OSU has handled things appropriately.
You both are arguing different things.
CLion is talking about how the OSU administration is handling this case now, and that we should wait until the investigation is complete to be able to judge how appropriately the OSU administration handled the entire matter. True, this has yet to be determined since we don't know what the investigation has uncovered.
FauxMo is talking about how Meyer handled the entire Smith saga over many years. Based on the facts and Meyer's own admissions, no one can reasonably deny that Meyer has handled this incorrectly, by keeping a known abuser on staff, giving him new contracts and raises, lying about his knowledge of the issues, etc.
The man wasn't a "known abuser" if he was investigated by the Title IX office and cleared by the preponderance of evidence. If OSU's Title IX office didn't see fit to seek Smith's termination (via the university, not the Athletic Department), then why should Meyer? The ones competent to judge, and with the mandate and authority to judge, would have found him not guilty.
If all of this DID happen, then the 2018 firing and the lying make no sense. But if it didn't, the Meyer's problems are aLOT bigger than "keeping a known abuser on staff."
Dude. All he is saying is you can't allow yourself to get swept up in the herd mentality when something like this comes out. If OSU comes back and says they are firing Meyer, and provides all the evidence they collected in their investigation, then I agree with CLion. They handled things as well as they could have.
It's stupid to react without due process, even if due process isn't legally required. I would hate to work for anyone who disagrees.
Anyone who is criticizing OSU right now is simply projecting their previously held opinions of the school.
I am OK with all this. In fact, I am pretty sure they'll end up keeping him, and the day after they announce it I'll wake up, get out of bed, and move on with my life. :-)
That said, if OSU wanted to, they could fire him yesterday for putting and then keeping a wife batterer on his staff, and/or for lying to the world about what he knew and didn't know. Even without cause, they could take the financial hit (which, in the broader scheme of things, is negligible). They fired Thad Matta - who took them to two 9 NCAA tournaments, including a national championship game, in 11 years - for missing the tournament two years in a row. Matta was, by all accounts, a good, ethical, fully respectable man. They fired John Cooper (another good man, to the best of my knowledge) after an 8-4 season, because he could win 10+ games a year, but he couldn't beat Michigan. So, they have already shown they'll show a coach the door for barely violating the most important maxim - WIN GAMES AT ALL COSTS!!! - but I am supposed to take a "let's defer to due process, let's wait a see" approach because the full extent of Urban Meyer's involvement with a wife beater is still very slightly unclear? I'm gonna say...nah...
The dollar amounts are vastly different, but this reminds me of David Brandon after Shane Morris's injury was mishandled. I was 100% convinced that Schlissel planned to fire him. But first he had an investigation organized, he lobbied the Regents, he followed a process. Student protesters and MGoBlog got involved and sped things up. It was good for the community to spread the credit around. But Schlssel was always going to have Brandon fired for that one horrible failure broadcast for the world to see and for his horrible initial response.
Obviously Meyer has the support of the fans that Brandon lacked. It's not a close analogy, but it has its similarities, including the type of president in charge.
Nevertheless, he is a scumbag and if OSU keeps him they are saying, "winning football games is more important than anything else."
Yeah, that is precisely what I expect the sentiment at OSU to be. They don't care about anything beyond winning football games. This should come as a surprise to nobody.
Eh, just sounds like they don't want to contaminate the investigation. Seems like good procedure.
he's probably still allowed to recruit like after he got caught pounding co-eds at Florida, I mean recovering from heart problems.
Joey Swampwater
I'm confused. Why is it that I detest when posters come here and lament rival player injuries with the old "I want them at full strength when we play them for no excuses" mumbo jumbo, yet when it comes to Meyer, I DO want that jerk off to stay because I'm thoroughly convinced JH is about to turn the tables on the rivalry and I want it to be Meyer he does that to? I'm weird and do not understand myself.
I dunno. I want Meyer canned, bringing about the Greg Schiano era at OSU leading to a decade plus of 7 and 8 win seasons while we embark on a period of previously unseen success with Jim Harbaugh at the helm. OSU needs to go through a period like what we just went through.
I'm with you. That football program and awful fans need a decade of humility like we had. Their egos are on Alabama's level. Alabama fans have the right to have those egos. OSU isn't too far behind in terms of amounts of wins. Alabama just has more titles. My point remains, though. OSU fans need an ego check, hopefully one that last 10+ years.
Its hilarious that you think OSU fans are any worse than UM fans
After watching the "save Urban Meyer rally" I'm convinced of that fact. That was the largest collection of inbred trailer trash this side of the Mason-Dixon line.
O H O I
O O H I
O I O H
O I O H
I WENT TO OOHI STATE
WHELLLL...
It's even more hilarious that you think you're fooling anybody into believing that you're not a troll.
Isn't this SOP for administrative leave?
Can a submarine submarine without a commander?
Can we agree now how serious they are about this investigation? I'm not sure why so many people are just assuming that OSU is simply looking for any excuse to keep him.
becuz you KNOW they want to...... hopefully they can't, but you know they want to.
Who's they? Gene Smith? I know nothing about this university President, which probably means he's far more respectable and less clown-like than E Gordon Gee. If he's closer to a Mark Schlissel type, I doubt he will allow Gene Smith to keep someone if they truly feel that Urban tried to cover for Zach Smith.
"truly feel" ? It is freaking OBVIOUS what occurred. I'm just glad the NCAA is out of this discussion, because we all know how Delany would lobby the NCAA.
Go Blue!
The same 'they' that learned of the email chain between tressel and rife's atty in Jan '11.... and didn't fire him for nearly 5 months, letting him resign 5/30/11. The email chain documented numerous violations that should have been reported and weren't.
Yes, they have a different president, but it's the same university.
The only question in my mind is which side wins academics or athletics. If it is the latter I expect President Drake would consider stepping down. Drake fired the marching band director after a scandal in 2014. He graduated from Stanford and got his MD from UC San Francisco. OSU has climbed considerably under his leadership and US News has them ranked 54th in the country.
Drake was also a professor at UC San Francisco, a school that has a higher research budget than OSU and no football team.
His last job was chancellor of UC Irvine, a school with 30,000+ students and no football team.
He grew up in places where there was no college football culture. and until OSU, his whole professional career was spent in institutions where sports have very little influence. I can only assume that OSU hired him to get the kind of improvement in their academics they are showing.
In short, he's not the guy Urban Meyer fans would choose to decide his fate.
August 11th, 2018 at 6:18 AM ^
"OSU has climbed considerably under his leadership and US News has them ranked 54th in the country."
Drake started in 2014. Here are OSU's US News rankings from 2010-11 to 2014-15
Ohio State University 56th (2010-11), 55th (2011-12) 56th (2012-13) 52nd (2013-14) 54th (2014-15)
And now, 4-5 years later they are ranked...54th? Where is this considerable climb? They're the same as the 4-5 years before Drake arrived.
I don't understand how this proves anything. It seems like standard protocol for somebody placed on leave.
No. I cannot agree. I think this shit is all an act. They're trying to make it appear they're taking this seriously, but I realized long ago that they value winning football games over ethics, integrity, and morals. I'd be shocked if Meyer is fired or resigns.
You may be right. Nothing will surprise me at this point. But OSU's (and Meyer's) actions don't seem to add up to them trying to make a show of things. If this were all for show, why did it leak out? Why didn't they just state this when they initially announced he was being placed on leave?
I'm not yet convinced that they're going to do anything but find a justification to keep him because that's how college football works, but from a purely optics perspective, they're definitely making it look like a much more serious evaluation than, say, Sparty has.
The investigation is not about how they can keep him, but about how they don't have to pay him. $40M is a lot of cheese.
That's what I think too. It's the only thing that really connects all the dots. I could be wrong but it sure seems that way.
You can't really claim someone is "suspended" if they can keep doing their normal job duties. This is literally the minimum that's required of them.
Now I know why he's not responding to my emails, texts, faxes and carrier pigeons...
Yeah, I was afraid it was just me...
Dear Urb, I wrote you but still ain't callin'...
Sent two police reports back in autumn, you must not have got 'em
Are these brand new rules that we're just handed down within the past day or something? If so, could mean they found something new and are pretty serious. If these have been there from the start, I doubt there's any new revelations.
All of this and he will still be the coach. Fuck him and that entire corrupt football program.
Well, it's not called an administrative "stay" is it?
well, since he can't be in contact with the team, a RR/Groban "you raise me up" moment is off the table.
ironically sounds like a restraining order
Doesn't necessarily mean anything.
I still stand by my belief that he'll probably get a 3-4 game suspension, but there's no way he's not back by week 5 when they go to Penn State.
If someone does indeed get fired, it's more likely that Gene Smith is going to be the sacrificial lamb. You can replace Gene Smith. You really can't replace Meyer.
I agree with your prognostication, but remember, folks thought Tressel couldn't be replaced.
Tressel lied directly to the NCAA. OSU wasn’t given a choice. If he’d just lied to the media like Meyer did, it’s entirely possible he’s still coaching there.
Beat ND... We will take care of OSU when the time comes.
One thing I have not seen mentioned regarding Gene Smith. Will he keep his position as a member of the CFP committee if there is a fallout between him and Osu.
I imagine if he is fired, they'll replace him on the CFP committee. But I'm just guessing of course.