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Is Archie by any chance…

Is Archie by any chance related to former Penn State running back Mike Archie? Just wondering as it's kind of an unusual last name and it makes some sense geographically.

I’m personally hoping for…

I’m personally hoping for Orji to win the starting job because I think his running ability gives M the best chance at having a really good offense. He needs to be at least respectable as a passer for that to happen. But “respectable” might be about as good as we can hope for. If one of the other QBs is a markedly superior passer, then M might do well to consider a genuine 2-QB rotation—at least for two-minute drills and so forth.

 

The Fun'N'Gun was pretty…

The Fun'N'Gun was pretty successful. 

Well Mullings is older…

Well Mullings is older. Running backs tend to become more complete players after they've had a few years in the system. In terms of sheer running ability I think they both look pretty good. 

J.J. was firing laser…

J.J. was firing laser-accurate passes over the defender's shoulder because he saw on film that the guy turned his back when a receiver came into his zone. Milroe's passing success was because defenses were freaking out about his running ability and presented him with larger windows. It's extremely unlikely Orji can do what J.J. did. He might be able to do what Milroe did.

 

Henson was much bigger -- 6…

Henson was much bigger -- 6'4" or 6'5" and well over 200 lbs. According to 247, Smith is 6'3" and 180 lbs.

Henson was athletic and had decent speed, but Smith looks way faster from the highlights. I think he'll need to bulk up significantly more to survive at the college level; that will probably affect his speed some but not sure how much.

I don't recall Henson having any particular issues with his throwing mechanics. Indeed he had a quick release and threw a smooth, beautiful ball. Velocity was off the charts. Any issues Henson did have were certainly not as pronounced as Smith's, who looks very awkward in the pocket and throwing the ball. 

Keep in mind Henson was one of the highest-rated football recruits to ever sign at Michigan, if not the highest. The only reason he didn't start immediately is because Tom effing Brady was in front of him--and even then Henson played a fair amount of snaps. Smith looks like a good prospect but will require much more development than Henson needed.

 

If Orji is Kaepernick, M is…

If Orji is Kaepernick, M is top 5. If Orji is Taylor Martinez, then M is still top-15.

Jeff Brohm is a good coach…

Jeff Brohm is a good coach but why start over with an entirely new staff? Not to mention Brohm is reportedly one of those fanatic alums who would be reluctant to leave his alma mater even for a significantly better opportunity.

 

Eh, what you said implies…

Eh, what you said implies that you had a minor detail incorrect but that your larger point (i.e., that the last time Harbaugh appointed his successor before leaving for the NFL, the successor did not have much success) was still valid. And then you doubled-down on the original point in an ensuing post. 

If Harbaugh appoints a guy who keeps the program running at a high level for eight seasons and then runs into problems in year nine, kind of ridiculous to then point the finger at Harbaugh and say "see, he should have known that wasn't the right dude." Not to mention this is Stanford we are talking about--very difficult place to win consistently.

If Harbaugh would prefer to…

If Harbaugh would prefer to coach in the NFL, then staying in college ball just so the NCAA “doesn’t win” would be quite a Phyrric victory.

He should have paid the…

He should have paid the poster who started the other thread to take that one over, then deleted all the good parts of it and added the letter X.

Ha, I had no idea they had…

Ha, I had no idea they had moved to L.A.  Other than a one-off Lions game or Super Bowl here and there I haven't watched NFL football in probably 15+ years.

If I wanted to sign that…

If I wanted to sign that contract, and I wanted the UM athletic department to make these concessions first, then I would certainly interview with the San Diego Chargers and make myself appear open to, and perhaps inclined toward, taking an NFL job. 

Just saying. Though I presume the NFL interest is genuine.

I think it’s some…

I think it’s some combination of (i)“he was only a three-star” bias, (ii) people watch NFL football and think a QB always needs to be an elite passer, (iii) bad memories of good defenses forcing Denard to beat them from the pocket, (iv) lack of faith that JH/S. Moore would sufficiently alter their schemes to capitalize on a run-first QB, (v) this whole “if he could pass then we’d have seen it by now” idea, (vi) and the fantasy of a portal savior.

I am firmly in the Orji camp…

I am firmly in the Orji camp, but if a decent portal option becomes available, M should absolutely pursue it. There is not a single proven QB on the roster so the more chances you give yourself, the better.

They may be similar in size…

They may be similar in size but they are very different players. Denegal is exclusively a pocket passer.

Why even bother with a…

Why even bother with a message board if that’s your attitude?

WR1 is either Edwards or…

WR1 is either Edwards or Loveland.😆

Those guys put up great…

Those guys put up great passing stats not because they were great passers, but because they were dangerous runners and played in offenses that forced opponents to commit so many resources to stopping the run that simplified passing schemes were sufficient. 

I’m not saying Orji is the next Tim Tebow though, just that I think he’s likely capable of running that style of offense reasonably well. But you’re right, other than some spring game throws we really haven’t seen him do it. Maybe he can, maybe he can’t. But I do think it’s an important point that Orji, because of his ability to operate a a run-first QB, doesn’t need to be nearly as good a passer in order to be effective as a guy like Denegal or Jayden Davis would need to be.

 

But can he throw? We aren’t…

But can he throw? We aren’t going to wildcat our way through the season. 

He just needs to be able to pass as well as someone like Tim Tebow or JT Barrett or Denard. You’re not going to be able to run the same kind of offense with Orji back there as with JJ firing passes into NFL windows. But if he can pass at all, you can build a good offense around his running ability and the other pieces M has to work with (good OL, talented backs, and tight ends).

Edwards is an excellent…

Edwards is an excellent third & long back IMO. Would be great to have him back but I still see Mullings and possibly one of the younger backs (Hall and possibly Marshall) getting the plurality of carries.

 

Marv lost his license, now…

Marv lost his license, now he don’t drive.

Will’s been hard on him so far.

Congrats on a fantastic…

Congrats on a fantastic career and best wishes on the next chapter!

Agree strongly with this…

Agree strongly with this take. His leadership and character are uncommonly strong. I’m hoping an NFL team sees what we have and snaps him up earlier than expected.

I hope we install a Harbaugh…

I hope we install a Harbaugh version of the Tim Tebow/JT Barrett scheme and roll with Orji. 

Orji. It’ll be fine. 

Orji. It’ll be fine. 

Hopefully it’ll be like that…

Hopefully it’ll be like that interview in Good Will Hunting  where Matt Damon sends Ben Affleck in his place and the guy just asks the interviewers to give him the cash in their pockets.

Both of those players had…

Both of those players had statistically disappointing seasons prior to the big breakout plays in the postseason too. Edwards’ struggles have been well-documented. But Streets was playing hurt most of ‘97 and didn’t really have the kind of season Michigan was used to getting from previous WR1s like Desmond, Alexander, Toomer, et al. Yet, like Edwards, he made up for it with those two long TDs in the championship game.

I think the first call has…

I think the first call has got to be to Jedd Fisch. Anyone else seems like a real shot in the dark.

 

The logo that was banished…

The logo that was banished has been reintroduced.

Totally. 

"The bright…

Totally. 

"The bright lights just too much for Michigan."

"The Big Ten just can't hold up to the might SEC."

"Harbaugh just can't get over the playoff hump."

"Alabama is a championship program because they always find a way to win."

NOPE  NOPE  NOPE

I don't know about that, it…

I don't know about that, it's mostly parking lots up there and anyway renovating things like weight rooms and practice facilities doesn't really require that much more space.

I think the bigger issue is that UW is probably much less willing to dump a bunch of $$ into its football program compared with an SEC school that has no other basis of relevance.

Agree on Knoxville…

Agree on Knoxville. Lexington is a dump and Nashville sucks unless you're into country music. Athens is great. Austin would be perfect if it wasn't in Texas.

At least WR seems like the…

At least WR seems like the kind of position where a veteran guy can plug-in at fall camp and be fine. With a QB, you probably need the guy to go through spring ball or he could take half the season to really get going.

Alabama defeated Georgia and…

Alabama defeated Georgia and won an SEC title with an excellent defense and "polished Alex Orji."

If J.J. goes to the draft, I would like to see M's offensive coaches try to polish our Orji and see what happens. (Unless they can bring in someone really good through the portal)

Maybe the assistant…

Maybe the assistant candidates he interviewed all sucked? I mean he got stuck with Tommy Rees last time around.

Goodbye. Hello heaven!

RIP

Goodbye. Hello heaven!

RIP

Probably the second half of…

Probably the second half of the Penn State game in 2022. Watching M just utterly dominate a good team like that convinced me that M had really turned a corner—that the 2021 OSU game wasn’t just M rising up and getting them one time but that M was as good as any team in the Big Ten and would have a real shot going into Columbus.

LSU would be another one…

LSU would be another one. Ridiculous number of NFL players out of that state and just one major P5 program.

If there is any job where it…

If there is any job where it's even easier to recruit five stars than Alabama, it's Texas.

Let's go Zak!

Let's go Zak!

MSU players have ankle…

MSU players have ankle monitors.

Yeah, similarly,…

Yeah, similarly, readyourguard has long been one of my favorite posters here and I always dug Due's stuff on Twitter (though I have long since deactivated) but never realized it was the same person.

OC and head coach are two…

OC and head coach are two different positions though. Sherrone has done well enough at OC. But he could really excel as a HC.

If we run the OrjiCat…

If we run the OrjiCat wishbone we’ll only need one wide receiver. Maybe none.

I don’t know much about…

I don’t know much about DeBoer other than from this season. Is he a passing spread fanatic like Ryan Day, or up did he just adopt that kind of offense to take advantage of the talent he had with Penix and those guys?

Yeah, that’s like a tenth of…

Yeah, that’s like a tenth of what A&M is paying for Fisher.

Sark already has one of the…

Sark already has one of the few jobs where Alabama is a lateral move. And Austin beats the hell out of Tuscaloosa.

Plus being able to live in…

Plus being able to live in Eugene >>>> having to live in Alabama 

Somewhere in Pennsylvania…

Somewhere in Pennsylvania Frames Janklin is sadly polishing up his resume.