Do send us DC candidates from the NFL, Jim
Assuming Harbaugh and Minter goes to the NFL, one silver lining has to be the fact that he and John can continue to send Sherron smart, young DC candidates.
It's a win win for everyone.
- Like John, Jim can get a promising you coach coordinator experience.
- He'd still be helping his beloved program.
- We obviously would be continuing what McDonald and Minter did.
- The candidate would be jumping at the career opportunity
- Between Jim and John, we might have a larger pool to choose from
January 17th, 2024 at 4:05 AM ^
Not sure the John Harbaugh - Michigan connection stays in place without Jim Harbaugh at Michigan, but hey -- we can hope I guess.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:03 AM ^
I think it's been mutually beneficial in that the Ravens people have been getting needed experience at the lower level. MacDonald was not ready to be an NFL coordinator for example (or John didn't think he was), and Michigan helped him polish his resume and build that experience. I agree it's less likely to continue without Jim, but there's a chance that John likes having what amounts to a "football grad school" for young coaching proteges.
It's a hope but a sort of plausible hope.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:51 AM ^
Mike's path to DC was blocked in Baltimore because the Raven's already had a really good DC. Suggestion Jim take Mike was a way for John to keep him available to Baltimore instead of losing him to the NFL writ large. The fact that he got valuable experience with icing on the cake. Minter was a stroke of luck - he was at Vandy for a couple of years because his path was also blocked in Baltimore.
Simply cannot count on that kind of 'pipeline'...
January 17th, 2024 at 7:53 AM ^
I'm sure Michigan will now have their own defense as they just won the national championship with it or that should be the goal by promoting from within. Just like Bama when Tommy Rees interviewed Saban told him you're here to learn and teach the Bama offense not what you were teaching at ND. It's why Bama struggled early on, Rees too had to learn on the job.
Michigan defense should closely mirror Ravens defense which I'm pretty sure was Wink Martindale.
If all that's true Michigan should be able to hire the Ravens/LA position coaches which for them is a promotion and they don't have to teach your players a whole new system. I guess if you're in a pinch you could do what Bama does.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:15 AM ^
Saban’s D is something that’s been consistent and roster independent for many years (obviously some small tweaks). I think on O he has both 1) changed with the times and 2) changed to fit his roster. Rees had to change his view on the QB room and develop Milroe-specific game plans. Plus, Rees may not be that good regardless.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:39 AM ^
There are coaches from outside the Ravens orbit who run a base 3-4 defense with aggressive LB play. Jim Leonhard, for example, is the kind of DC who would be a fit schematically even if we don't have a connection to the Ravens anymore.
January 17th, 2024 at 2:15 PM ^
This connection to the NFL has been hugely beneficial. Keeping it open is one strong reason to let Jim have a lot of say about his successor in the event he leaves for the NFL. As stated below, being and having a proving ground is beneficial for both sides, but it has probably been more beneficial for Michigan.
January 17th, 2024 at 4:13 AM ^
Didn't Minter just say he loved coaching at Michigan and was looking forward to next season? He said that while knowing Jim was going to look at the nfl. I'm not so sure he'd leave with jim.
If he stays for next years defense he'll still be able to have tons of nfl DC opportunities.
January 17th, 2024 at 5:01 AM ^
Kalen DeBoer and Jedd Fisch both said that about their previous schools shortly before exiting stage left.
I'm sure that Minter would love to stay, but he might love the opportunity to be an NFL DC even more. I hope and believe that the defense will play well next year, but things happen. You have to jump when the timing is right.
January 17th, 2024 at 5:13 AM ^
What did you expect him to say? “I really hope Jim gets a job in the NFL and takes me with him.”
January 17th, 2024 at 6:10 AM ^
If Harbaugh leaves, and to me it is still a big IF, I hope Sherrone Moore is better than the previous guy who replaced Harbaugh when he went to the NFL in David Shaw as a head coach. Shaw had good teams at Stanford for the first two seasons with a bunch of Harbaugh recruited players, but it was nothing spectacular after that, especially with recruiting going downhill for him. Michigan, just like Stanford, has high academic requirements which prevents many elite high school players from even being offered a scholarship, and not to mention NIL is still a wall in getting top 100 players.
Replacing Harbaugh at the college level is difficult because of the connection he has with players, and all of his intelligence of the game.
January 17th, 2024 at 6:54 AM ^
"Shaw had good teams at Stanford for the first two seasons with a bunch of Harbaugh recruited players, but it was nothing spectacular after that, especially with recruiting going downhill for him."
I think that's off. Here's what it actually looked like:
He didn't fall off a cliff after 2012. 2019 (eight years after Harbaugh left) looks like the significant point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shaw_(American_football)
One other thing: Michigan has standards, but they probably aren't as high as Stanford's.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:28 AM ^
Thanks for this list. I was off on length of good seasons he had at Stanford. Up until 2015 his record was excellent with the exception of 2014. I don't think this fanbase will be okay if Moore goes 10-3, 9-5 and 9-4 in his 6th, 7th and 8th seasons as Michigan's head coach after Harbaugh went to three straight playoffs here. Football is valued more with the Michigan fanbase than the Stanford one. This is not a knock on Moore because I would love to see him as Michigan's head coach, or somewhere else if Harbaugh stays. He is young, can recruit well, develop well and a hell of a coach and human.
My humble opinion is that Moore has the potential to build a dynasty here given the resources possible. However; the risk is there that it could not workout. Replacing a legend like Harbaugh will be tough, and it worked out for a bit at the previous FBS school Harbaugh coached, but not like what I believe the Michigan fanbase will want. Winning more than 10 games at Michigan every year should be a goal, not a ceiling to win upto 10 games, and with conference realignment, NIL, and the transfer portal, it makes it that much tougher.
January 17th, 2024 at 11:58 AM ^
Stanford's a completely different baseline. They'd had two winning seasons in the last ten when Harbaugh was hired; we thought we were at a historical low because we'd only had seven in ten. They'd only been to one major bowl since Jim Plunkett graduated. We had nineteen between Plunkett (ugh) and Hoke's departure.
Historically they're basically Minnesota, holding on in the top-50 in all-time winning percentage thanks to the glory days of Pop Warner.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:59 AM ^
With a 12 team playoff, that is 3-4 berths in 6 years post Harbaugh.
That's a take even if there is a later drop off.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:45 AM ^
Shaw would've made the 12 team playoff 5 times in his first 8 seasons, we would all kill for that kind of performance even if the back end of his tenure fell off a bit.
January 17th, 2024 at 11:56 AM ^
The Transfer Portal became a thing in the fall of 2018. From that point, through 2021 (when NIL started), Stanford saw 18 players transfer out and 0 transfer in (13 of them in 2020). With it's academic standards, and a smaller group of candidates to recruit from initially, losing 3/4 of a recruiting class and not being able to replace any of them was going to make winning very difficult for Shaw or any coach.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:31 AM ^
How many fact free 'David Shaw was terrible' posts will we see this month? 20? 50?
January 17th, 2024 at 8:29 AM ^
Not as many as the useless posts like yours.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:21 AM ^
Blue Heron schooled you. Own it.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:28 AM ^
"Thanks for this list. I was off on length of good seasons he had at Stanford."
Very first sentence in my response.
January 17th, 2024 at 11:46 AM ^
Eh, what you said implies that you had a minor detail incorrect but that your larger point (i.e., that the last time Harbaugh appointed his successor before leaving for the NFL, the successor did not have much success) was still valid. And then you doubled-down on the original point in an ensuing post.
If Harbaugh appoints a guy who keeps the program running at a high level for eight seasons and then runs into problems in year nine, kind of ridiculous to then point the finger at Harbaugh and say "see, he should have known that wasn't the right dude." Not to mention this is Stanford we are talking about--very difficult place to win consistently.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:38 AM ^
Makes me think that Jeff Brohm is the guy to get.
January 17th, 2024 at 11:52 AM ^
Jeff Brohm is a good coach but why start over with an entirely new staff? Not to mention Brohm is reportedly one of those fanatic alums who would be reluctant to leave his alma mater even for a significantly better opportunity.
January 17th, 2024 at 12:02 PM ^
The guy that went 36-34 at Purdue? This is the guy you think we should get?
January 17th, 2024 at 6:43 AM ^
I'm surprised that Warde (or Santa, for those who assume he's also acting as athletic director) hasn't contacted MGoBloggers for our advice.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:22 AM ^
Oh, you haven't heard from him yet? Well, this is awkward.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:52 AM ^
In fairness, Santa has a summer house down the road from Tiscornia. It'd be awkward if he didn't check in with you.
January 17th, 2024 at 9:15 AM ^
The locals call that the North Pier but he calls it the North Pole.
January 17th, 2024 at 12:13 PM ^
I recommend North Pier Brewing (and before it went out of business, the nearby North Shore Inn for a burger).
January 17th, 2024 at 1:39 PM ^
I've been to North Shore Inn many times. People were pretty disappointed when it closed. It's supposed to reopen with more of a focus on upscale dining, like St. Joe needs any more of that.
January 17th, 2024 at 1:57 PM ^
Nothing better at a bar than bar food. Besides, it's sometimes best to leave well enough alone and the North Shore menu is a good example.
Didn't the previous owners close and sell because they retired?
January 17th, 2024 at 2:15 PM ^
Yes, they sold it in 2016 to the sister of the guy who owns North Pier. I think they're working together now on this new and "improved" restaurant.
January 17th, 2024 at 12:14 PM ^
"Santa", as in Santa Ono?
January 17th, 2024 at 6:56 AM ^
You don't even need to check that it's a gift (John Harbaugh return policy worked flawlessly last time). We don't mind knowing what we're getting.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:22 AM ^
I don't think Harbaugh would take anyone away from Michigan. I don't think he wants to completely upend the program.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:32 AM ^
Yet....he is completely upending the program...
January 17th, 2024 at 7:45 AM ^
His priority will be his NFL career. If he likes Minter the best, he will offer Minter the job.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:46 AM ^
Harbaugh would definitely clean the cupboards if he thought it would help him win at his next gig.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:41 AM ^
A mere two threads below:
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/sherrone-moore-vs-jesse-minter-debate-false-choice
This is, like, exactly the same thread (also getting negs, btw).
Not saying you should have known that, it's not like the title makes it obvious and you had to have read it. It's just kind of remarkable.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:49 AM ^
We just won a national championship and now some of us are cycling through stages of grief. Do not turn into Buckeye fans people.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:58 AM ^
Cycling is for skinny nerds that think they are better than everyone else. I'm all about curling.
January 17th, 2024 at 10:22 AM ^
Cycling is for losers.
I’m cultivating mass.
January 17th, 2024 at 7:55 AM ^
Harbaugh is not leaving!!!
He is negotiating with one team (us). They have agreed on a dollar value and years (lots and forever) and are dickering on terms.
He has talked on the phone to two other teams where the follow-up was we talked on the phone, not he is about to be hired.
He is happy here and is listening to other options like he said he would.
Chill out, please. :)
January 17th, 2024 at 8:59 AM ^
Dickering, you say?
January 17th, 2024 at 9:25 AM ^
How would you know where he was when he interviewed with the Chargers and Falcons?
January 17th, 2024 at 9:46 AM ^
Was there any reporting that he was in Atlanta? If he was, people would be breathlessly reporting it.
Maybe they came to him but again there likely would have been reporting on this.
January 17th, 2024 at 10:25 AM ^
Multiple of media including the Atlanta Falcons social media team has confirmed that they have completed an interview.
Couldn't be any more official coming straight from the team:
We have interviewed Michigan Head Coach Jim Harbaugh for our head coach opening
— Atlanta Falcons (@AtlantaFalcons) January 17, 2024
January 17th, 2024 at 12:24 PM ^
Yes, he had an interview with both teams. My assumption is the interview was on the phone and that Harbaugh has not bothered to leave his office to interview with these teams.
If Harbaugh was flying all over the place, the articles would say Harbaugh was in Atlanta or LA for an interview.
An in-person interview would reflect a higher interest on Harbaugh's part.
January 17th, 2024 at 8:12 AM ^
Kalen DeBoer, given his success at all stops was the slam dunk hire of this hiring season. He was the only candidate I'd have taken over Sherrone and the continuity offered by keeping most of this staff together. Minter has obviously been more effective as a coordinator, but it's not nothing that the team and Harbaugh are behind Moore, who could be that CEO type coach.
Anyway, if Harbaugh goes, I'll root for Moore and continuity because the whole staff was really damn good this year. The LB's got better, Clink has been great, DL under Elston has been awesome etc. Great staff.