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12/15/2018 - 2:53pm So yeah, you would base…

So yeah, you would base where your child goes to school entirely on athletics? That doesn't seem a little myopic?

No arguments from me that the MSU administration were/are criminally negligent in the Nassar situation. But it's absurd and reductive to act like that situation has any real bearing on the quality of education within, like, their engineering program or their honors college. We allowed a softball coach to have sex with players, we have covered up for professors accused of sexual harassment. This shit happens quite frequently.  

12/15/2018 - 2:49pm This assumes there is any…

This assumes there is any meaning to university rankings in the first place, especially for undergraduate education. Which is a deeply dubious assumption to make. The reason that schools like Michigan cling to the Times is because it (arguably) overvalues American public universities while most American publications have been consistently ranking them lower and lower each year (which is why USNWR thinks there are ~30 better universities than Michigan). I will take all the downvotes you guys want to give me, but UM has more in common with MSU as than it does with Harvard, which is why we selectively highlight university rankings that don't think being like Harvard is the coolest beans. That alone should tell you what a joke the entire concept is.  

The top 100 universities in the country are functionally identical in terms of resources, which is what really makes them different to lower ranked institutions. Michigan has money and ties to industry, but so does (say) Minnesota. It might be instructive to consider your views on other schools in the Big Ten that are ranked around MSU (Indiana, Iowa) and whether or not you view them as similarly poor... if not, your views on Michigan State may not be entirely rational. The real gap is not between Michigan and MSU, it's between Michigan/MSU and, like, CMU/GVSU.  As the old saying goes, they don't teach you different facts... the difference is in rockstar faculty, research budgets, and the caliber of internships available. Michigan isn't outrageously better than the rest of the B1G at any of those, so it is perhaps not worth quiblbling over which B1G school your child attends. 

12/12/2018 - 11:41am Michigan State is one of the…

Michigan State is one of the top 100 universities in the world according to the same ranking that U of M continually touts because it places us in the top 10. 

I mean I get that nobody wants to hear it, but any of the top 100 universities in the US News & World Report rankings and even some in the top 150 are essentially the same if you aren't going into a field like law where prestige is everything... and even then undergrad doesn't matter at all.

 Over the past few years I have been slowly working on an online graduate degree from the University of Iowa. I'm doing it all very part-time because my work is paying for it, but I have made a couple of trips to Iowa City just to get the lay of the land. Each time it strikes me that, in both form and function, the school is incredibly similar to Michigan. I've also felt that way while traveling in Madison and visiting friends who now live in Berkeley. There are plenty of good schools in this country and you don't need to be obsessed with one of them at the exclusion of the others.

12/12/2018 - 11:21am This strikes me as risky and…

This strikes me as risky and not necessarily worth it. People often suggest this when they are unfamiliar with community colleges themselves or otherwise are community college alumni who needed the extra time to become ready for a traditional 4-year college.

 

However, the one person I know who attempted this who otherwise had the grades to get into other similar colleges to Michigan ended up feeling dejected in an environment that is nowhere near as rigorous as I think they expected. It took her three years instead of one to transfer, she still didn't get into Michigan even with very good grades and ended going to a college she'd already gotten into slightly behind schedule.

12/12/2018 - 11:13am Michigan State is a much…

Michigan State is a much better school than either of those.

 

You guys allow the sports rivalry way too much space to live in your heads. Michigan State is one of the top 100 universities on the planet according to the Times Higher Education Survey. If your kid wants to go into a hard science, they're infinitely better off at Michigan State then at a school like Hope, the Masters level and directional schools in the state are very good but MSU offers much better internships and much higher MSU offers much better internships and a much higher caliber of instruction. There is more to going to college than what football team you cheer for once you graduate, it's myopic in the extreme to foist these expectations upon your child, it's a phenomenal way for them to develop a complex.

 

Michigan was a decent experience for me and a great experience for my fiance... she's one of six or seven Wolverines in her family, but there was never any pressure on her to go to Michigan and she only went because she didn't get in at her first choice (Oberlin). That is exactly how I want our kids to grow up, they can wear Maize and Blue but they will have the ability to choose what colleges they apply to and their success or failure will be judged completely on their own terms. After all, in that family of 7 Michigan grads the most successful cousin is the doctor who went to Wayne State and MSU.

12/12/2018 - 10:47am At that age even the…

At that age even the smartest kid doesn't have the ability to comprehend the material concerns that will impact where they end up going to college.

12/12/2018 - 10:47am At that age even the…

At that age even the smartest kid doesn't have the ability to comprehend the material concerns that will impact where they end up going to college.

12/11/2018 - 6:11pm Work in Detroit, live in A2,…

Work in Detroit, live in A2, have spent time in the past decade living in a few other spots in other countries. Have considered moving to Detroit, but it just isn't there yet and it will take too long to get there in any real way. I'm in my early 30s already and want to enjoy the few years I have left before kids come into the picture. My fiance and I apply to a job in Chicago every week or so just to see if we can make that happen. 

12/11/2018 - 6:09pm I do agree with you that…

I do agree with you that Detroit is a place of immense opportunity for people interested in starting restaurants, bars, and artisan shops. I think Detroit needs to think less about being what it was in 1960 (a miniature Chicago, basically) and more about becoming a Midwestern Portland... sort of an Ann Arbor writ large, where the food and booze and quirks are the selling point more than any actual industry. 

12/11/2018 - 6:06pm on Chicago, it is a weird…

on Chicago, it is a weird place because unlike New York (where you know everyone is paying $3000 for their shoebox), you can easily find surreal disparities within small areas. I have friends paying $1200 a month with a view of the lake in an Edgewater 2-bedroom and I have a friend living just south of them in a worse area of Uptown paying $1800 for a mediocre studio. There is no rhyme or reason to Chicago rents, some are infinitely superior to Detroit and others are NYC adjacent. 

12/11/2018 - 5:59pm Yep, this is a big thing…

Yep, this is a big thing. Detroit, that is to say the city, has become more attractive to 20something B1G educated types. But it is mostly attracting 20something B1G educated types who would have moved to Royal Oak otherwise, not the ones who are ultimately Chicago, New York, or West Coast bound. Getting engineers who went to UM/MSU/Purdue/Illinois/other big programs to pick the city over the burbs when they inevitably move to Michigan is a good first step, but more needs to be done. 

This is especially true in an automotive industry where the crazy, exciting engineering projects are being done in California and Arizona by autonomous vehicle startups. Now the Purdue grads are joining the long list of college educated Michiganders who stayed around for ~5 years after college and then found a real city to live in. 

12/11/2018 - 5:46pm Basically all of the top…

Basically all of the top public schools in Illinois that are not New Trier or Evanston High School are in CPS. Rich people in Chicago do send their kids to public school because the nature/nurture paradigm ensures that a kid living in a new-build 3000 sq ft palace in Ravenswood will get into a magnet school of their choice. 

12/11/2018 - 5:43pm I think the issue for many…

I think the issue for many Detroit boosters is that being here comes with the kind of folk-memory of having been one of the top cities in the country. That is always the aspiration lingering behind the thinking of many in the state, Detroit used to be a cultural hotbed and the second city of the midwest... how do we get back there? The idea that we kinda can't isn't popular. 

Partially, though, that's just because there has been so much concentration of cultural power in NYC and LA. Parochial American cities just aren't as cool as they were once upon a time, even Chicago has lost a step in terms of being a hotbed for artists. The internet hasn't made it easier to be an actor or musician in Detroit, it's incentivized leaving Detroit for NYC or LA sooner. 

12/07/2018 - 11:20am User named "John Galt" bored…

User named "John Galt" bored by trip to communist country, film at 11. 

12/06/2018 - 5:37pm It strikes me that Brian…

It strikes me that Brian hasn't written much football content in the past two weeks. I wouldn't be shocked if he had the same ennui most of us do post-OSU. 

12/06/2018 - 9:48am This comment is instructive,…

This comment is instructive, but not in the way that you think. Is instructive because yesterday on Reddit, multiple people were commenting on the great tradition of Michigan and Ohio State always being the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

You know that's a recent addition, I know it's a recent addition, but it's caught on and for people in their early twenties is the only way they can remember the game being played. People will adjust to whatever. 

12/04/2018 - 12:34pm There are anecdotes on both…

There are anecdotes on both sides here. 

The truth is this kind of hire is a total crap shoot.
12/04/2018 - 12:01pm It's hard to assign credit…

It's hard to assign credit when the head coach is also an offensive mastermind, though Mullen and Herman speak well of Urban's abilities to find OCs. 

For every Lincoln Riley there are dozens of similar situations which have failed. People act like Lincoln Riley was the first time ever a coach has retired and been replaced by a young assistant... he could be Riley, he could be Bob Davie.  

12/04/2018 - 11:47am I am not that afraid of Day…

I am not that afraid of Day. His resume basically looks like a guy who knows Urban and Chip Kelly and keeps getting promoted because of that. 

12/04/2018 - 9:46am Yeah, but the difference is…

Yeah, but the difference is that they ascribe all of this to mustache twisting EVILLLLLLLL and I ascribe it to, like, normal human emotions like hubris and a desire to do things even when they aren't medically advisable. 

I think it's childish that our fanbase engages in this Alex Jones level crap with Meyer. He's just a dude, there is no conspiracy in which his doctors risk their medical licenses and lie for him just so he can have excuses to keep quitting jobs after *checks notes* unprecedented levels of success on the field. 

12/04/2018 - 8:30am I don't really care if I get…

I don't really care if I get negged for this, I think the whole ITS A CONSPIRACY angle wherein Meyer fakes looking like he's having an aneurism every week like you faking a cough on Thursday to bolster calling off on Friday is stupid.

Coaches are... not healthy. Playing football is bad for you, the lifestyle of coaches are unhealthy. Bo Schembechler had like 80 heart attacks. The idea that a football coach has a myriad of issues that he doesn't want to acknowledge due to his own machismo isn't that out there. Furthermore, the Ohio State job was not supposed to be available for Urban Meyer. I don't think we have reason to believe he would have come back for any other job, we are talking about a school he has a master's degree from in his home state. The guy had a picture of Woody Hayes on his mantle even before he got the Florida job.

12/03/2018 - 12:17am Yeah, we get a trophy for it…

Yeah, we get a trophy for it. So it's real. But the trophy is, like, enough. 

12/02/2018 - 2:34pm Yes. The thing that people…

Yes. The thing that people miss is that while anyone can edit Wikipedia, most people won't. And if they did, they likely wouldn't meet the criteria to not have their content removed. 

12/02/2018 - 2:28pm No, homecoming is literally…

No, homecoming is literally only about welcoming back alumni. The origins of it are colleges hosting alumni games before a main game in the 19th century. It needn't have anything to do with scheduling, though most schools designate it to correspond with games they think they will win. 

Personally, I'd have made the Rutgers game homecoming to make up for the lack of interest in the match up, though. 

12/02/2018 - 2:23pm apparently in college…

apparently in college football now winning 9-10 games means you "suck"

what a time to be alive. 

12/02/2018 - 1:27pm The problem is that the Rose…

The problem is that the Rose and Sugar have to be on New Years Day per their deal with the CFP. There are six games to be played and they do not want to be played simultaneously, so that leaves very few options. The Fiesta, Cotton, and Peach bowls rotate in and out of being on NYD, but there isn't much we can do to control which of the prestigious bowls is in that slot. I'd rather play on the 29th in the Peach against a top 10 team than in the Outback Bowl on NYD. 

Remember, everyone bitched and complained about the first and second CFP because they played games on New Year's Eve even though it was a working weekday. To solve the problem, they decided to move games to the nearest Saturday. Now people are mad about that. What do you want them to do? Play all the games at the exact same time so that nobody will be able to watch? Further degrade bowls like the Rose and Sugar by making them go up against playoff games being played in their traditional time slots? 

12/02/2018 - 1:15pm People were calling for us…

People were calling for us to hire Hart back when he was at EMU, he's only recently proven himself as a P5 RB coach. 

12/02/2018 - 1:13pm Because a narrative existed…

Because a narrative existed before the season that the offense was bad and our biggest weakness, so when things went sideways but it wasn't all on the offense people got cognitive dissonance 

12/02/2018 - 2:37am Because NYE is a working…

Because NYE is a working Monday, so to maximize ratings they moved games to the preceding Saturday. Remember how pissed people were with the NYE games in year two of the playoff?

12/02/2018 - 2:34am Atlanta hosting the Sugar…

Atlanta hosting the Sugar Bowl post-Katrina impressed people. Plus, it was really Peach or Citrus to round out the NY6 and there was already one in Florida.

11/30/2018 - 2:12pm I think you guys shouldn't…

I think you guys shouldn't sleep on the portion of the report where they gave a shit ton of money to Ryan Day. At a certain point, they need to shit or get off the pot with Meyer or lose Day to another job. Like if Meyer is saying "I'm done within 5 years" you might tell him to speed that timeline up if you are sure of your planned succession. Otherwise you end up with Luke Fickell. 

11/29/2018 - 10:19am Basically revert everything…

Basically revert everything to where it was in 1997. No attempts at a real national championship, conferences of an adequate size organized along geographic lines. The only changes I would allow are the adding of Notre Dame to the Big Ten to give us a conference championship game and putting Utah and Colorado in the Pac-12 while TCU replaces Colorado in the Big 12.

 

That is the perfect college football universe

11/28/2018 - 1:24pm I mean, it's whatever. The…

I mean, it's whatever. The thing with MAC schools that people often miss is that coordinator salaries these days kind of preclude them from their previous strategy of just hiring whoever was the top coordinator at the moment... they don't have the budgets of AAC and Mountain West schools. 

11/27/2018 - 11:30pm Playing UCF is literally a…

Playing UCF is literally a nightmare scenario. Beating them does absolutely nothing for us. It won't even make us feel good. Fuck, no please. 

11/27/2018 - 11:26pm man, that sucks. 

The Peach…

man, that sucks. 

The Peach is the worst NY6 bowl. Florida is a team we've played approximately a zillion times. Why does the CFP hate Wazzou so much? WSU/UM in the "we're 0-7 against our rival so now we're sad" bowl in Arizona, plz 

11/27/2018 - 10:23pm Brohm turned down a…

Brohm turned down a scholarship offer from Notre Dame to play at Louisville, which was essentially a MAC school at the time. 

11/27/2018 - 10:23pm Brohm turned down a…

Brohm turned down a scholarship offer from Notre Dame to play at Louisville, which was essentially a MAC school at the time. 

11/27/2018 - 3:12pm I get these a lot because I…

I get these a lot because I am working on an online MA at Iowa and did a lot of research into online grads programs beforehand. 

11/25/2018 - 5:52pm Call me when the ACC is the…

Call me when the ACC is the Big Ten East

11/25/2018 - 4:54pm Plus, I think people around…

Plus, I think people around here don't realize that the reason our rivalry with OSU attracts so much attention from unaffiliated randos is that it was so consistently competitive for a ~30 year period. That is not the norm in rivalries, even ones with blue bloods... like Notre Dame reeled off a 13 year unbeaten streak against USC from the early 80s until the mid 90s before USC went on an 8 year run in the 00s. The Red River Rivalry has featured like seven 5+ year long unbeaten stretches by one team, Florida-FSU is similar as is Florida-Georgia, and Alabama-Auburn. Oklahoma-Nebraska once featured a 16-0 run for OU, Alabama has beaten Tennessee 12 straight times. 

These types of runs are very normal, the weird thing is that nobody had one in M-OSU for decades. 

11/25/2018 - 4:24pm Penn State is ranked 12…

Penn State is ranked 12. Texas is the only one of those teams with a better win than us? 

Stop talking out your ass, man

11/25/2018 - 4:23pm There are like only three 10…

There are like only three 10 win P5 teams who aren't in the top 6, chill 

11/25/2018 - 4:19pm There also seems to be a…

There also seems to be a difference between segments who think "contending" is a synonym for "winning like Alabama" and segments who think "contending" means "being in contention", which we have been. 

11/25/2018 - 4:16pm Reminder: It took Dabo 5…

Reminder: It took Dabo 5 years to put together a team that finished in the top 10 and 8 years to become the dominant team they are today. 

11/25/2018 - 4:10pm I think he's saying that you…

I think he's saying that you can think Harbaugh loses big games, but that before he was here we weren't playing any big games. Like the most amazing thing to me about the blowout yesterday is that we hadn't already given up nearly 70 points to OSU at some point in the past 10 years. We can all lie and say that we'd be happy with a 1-11 season that includes a win over them, but I sure as hell know that in from 2008-2014 I just always assumed OSU was a loss anyway. The disappointment is a function of how far we've come in 4 years. 

11/25/2018 - 3:59pm This is like an A- season

This is like an A- season

Harbaugh has been like an A- coach on the whole

In the grand scheme of things, M football is like 90% lit and 10% HOW WHY EVERY YEAR???

I'll take it for now, probably for at least another two years before I will allow myself to get antsy with effing top 10 finishes.

11/25/2018 - 3:56pm More to the point, do the…

More to the point, do the people pushing this narrative think anyone involved is actively out there going "okay we can either win the title or play for a chance at a meaningless Rose Bowl game"? Like do they imagine that the team had a vote on Friday night at the hotel and decided that they didn't need to try because they might still go to the Rose Bowl? Do they think we should turn down bowl invitations and the extra practices and free swag and fun experiences for the players that come with them just because some fans have a sad even though literally NO PROGRAM HAS EVER DONE THIS?

It's just idiotic. 

11/25/2018 - 3:51pm Seriously, a group of real…

Seriously, a group of real-no fooling kids went out there and had shit heaped on them after losing to Notre Dame, most of this board was in psycho "we are for sure going 6-6" territory and now they are going to end the regular season in the top 10 and go to a top tier bowl. You people can fuck off. Maybe they didn't "earn" the Rose Bowl in your opinion, but the only thing most MGo posters have earned in my estimation is jack fucking shit. 

11/25/2018 - 3:46pm Mods should implement a rule…

Mods should implement a rule whereby posters who joined after 2015 are not allowed to call us a "loser program" or say 10-2 seasons suck.

Like idk I was here when we lost to Toledo, I am pretty okay with going to Rose Bowls and being ranked in the top 10. 

11/25/2018 - 1:41pm People who are too invested…

People who are too invested in the "SEC conspiracy!" narrative will say Georgia, but the honest answer is UCF.