OSU Snowflakes - The Coaching
November 24th, 2018 at 5:38 PM ^
Sure, but if thebO were not going 3 and out and punting to OSU so much, then OSU does not score 62.
Today the Michigan d-line got no pressure on Haskins. None. Given that reality OSU was going to be move the ball and score a lot.
And in that sort of game, the JH/Pep offense will not be good enough. Too many wasted runs between the tackles in 1st and 2nd downs, and then putting Patterson in very difficult 3rd and long passing downs.
That just results in Michigan punting to a team they can't stop.
By halftime it was clear that the M d-line was not going to get pressure, and it would be a high scoring shootout.
Yet the JH/Pep offense kept paying like they could count on the D to hold OSU to 10 second half points.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:58 PM ^
Well said. You cannot be eilte anymore without an explosive offense. I wish that were not the case.
November 24th, 2018 at 6:44 PM ^
Need to get bigger and stronger. Let's hire a new S&C coach.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:12 PM ^
Anybody have any good cake recipes? Cupcake recipes?
November 24th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
Figure out whatever Louisville is trying to pay Brohm and offer enough more to get him. Give Brohm this talent on offense and we could field a modern offense worth watching.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
Figure out whatever Louisville is trying to pay Brohm and offer enough more to get him. Give Brohm this talent on offense and we could field a modern offense worth watching.
November 24th, 2018 at 6:27 PM ^
Starting over with a new HC is not the answer.
Getting a really good OC is the answer.
Brohm is not the only guy that knows how to scheme a modern offense.
November 24th, 2018 at 7:09 PM ^
This would only work if Harbaugh completely ceased all interfering in the offense.
Blame Pep Hamilton all you want, but this is HARBAUGH’S offense plain and simple. If Harbaugh didn’t believe in the scheme, game plan, play calling, etc. then he wouldn’t be allowing it to run on the field.
So basically what you’re proposing is that Harbaugh sit back and accept a basic game manager type role who simply hires assistants to do all the actual coaching work...and I just don’t ever see that happening.
November 24th, 2018 at 7:20 PM ^
Pep and Jim go back a long way.
They have similar ideas and approaches to offense. Jim needs someone who can bring new and different ideas.
He needs someone who is going to be more about building an offense around his best offensive players.
How is it possible that Patterson an the receiver corps were not the centerpiece of the offense this year? When you have that kind of talent, how can you fail to find ways to use it a lot more?
November 25th, 2018 at 9:50 PM ^
Brohm is a flash in the pan just like Rich Rod.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^
Michigan’s the better team, they were playing for everything, and they almost gave up 70 points. Pathetic. The program has never been more humiliated than they just were. If you told me that they were purposefully allowing OSU to run up the score so that they can make the playoffs and Michigan goes to the Rose Bowl, I would believe you.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:24 PM ^
When you get beaten and battered, the will cannot take the punishment of such a beatdown. Michigan lost this game in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Ohio State's Oline was the game changer along with their Dline and backers who had their best game of the year. Haskins was never challenged. And the run game, well, it was just a matter of time before it got taken out.
Emotion beat logic. Speed kills. And Michigan got burned by too much speed and guys who came to play.
History will record this as the worst Michigan loss ever. And it is. And it ruined a season for us. And the bowl game is such an afterthought.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:24 PM ^
When you get beaten and battered, the will cannot take the punishment of such a beatdown. Michigan lost this game in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Ohio State's Oline was the game changer along with their Dline and backers who had their best game of the year. Haskins was never challenged. And the run game, well, it was just a matter of time before it got taken out.
Emotion beat logic. Speed kills. And Michigan got burned by too much speed and guys who came to play.
History will record this as the worst Michigan loss ever. And it is. And it ruined a season for us. And the bowl game is such an afterthought.
November 24th, 2018 at 5:38 PM ^
Michigan was NOT the better team. Almost every OSU player would start at Michigan. How many Michigan guys start on OSU? A coulple at most.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:14 PM ^
No reason to nuke the board. That piece of shit performance deserves every ounce of vitriol poured out earlier.
Anyway, the coaching sucked. There seems to be no earthly answer to Mesh, and no honorable way to move the ball other than plowing directly at OSU's easily manipulated linebackers. Why try to actually keep possession when you can play the man's way, amirite?
November 24th, 2018 at 4:15 PM ^
I thought the idea was that OSU's defense was disorganized and unable to react to shifts and motion and yet it seems we ran plain vanilla. Did I miss something? Shea had a bad day. I know he was under pressure but he started throwing short in the 2nd period.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:20 PM ^
You didnt miss anything. We just more or less threw the game.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:15 PM ^
Over-rated.., (clap....clap.... clap clap clap). Over-rated....
November 24th, 2018 at 4:15 PM ^
Theres a really simple answer to the Ohio State problem- we've gotta hire a witch, or a voodoo doctor. Maybe both.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:16 PM ^
Harbaugh has to open up his offensive philosophy. I think he needs help, not just someone to call plays within his offensive scheme.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:25 PM ^
that means his dad wont be allowed in the coaching meetings
November 24th, 2018 at 4:17 PM ^
Glee club coach kicked ass. Football coaches should watch and learn.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:17 PM ^
39 points should have been enough to win this game
Ohio State yet again identified the weak link on Don Brown’s defense and continually attacked it because they know he is stubborn and will not change.
Can Don Brown change? I don’t know.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^
Stubborn? Don Brown is the king of adjustments, what are you smoking?
Their offensive gameplan was better than our defensive one, and their offensive playmakers were better than our defensive playmakers.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:58 PM ^
This is a stupid point. We played more zone this year than the previous two years combined. He also shifted the defense to prevent those corner routes and prevent someone like MCCray being matched up against a RB
November 24th, 2018 at 4:18 PM ^
This performance is hard for me to reconcile. 16&17 I thought they outcoached Urban and Co, just had a few bad breaks and shit Qb play. This year Jim was embarrassed. Brown too
November 24th, 2018 at 4:40 PM ^
This is what gets me. It just never comes together for Michigan against Ohio State.
2016 the team was right there. One call or play goes Michigan's way and its over.
2017 with any other quarterback is a win.
2018, come in with a supposedly lights out defense and a talented offense that has improved all season...and none of it matters. Ohio State's offensive line is terrible...except for today.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:18 PM ^
Next year? Wait till next year?
0-4 against OSU. 62 points given up. Admit it, if your name is not Harbaugh you aren't getting on the bus back to Ann Arbor.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:21 PM ^
Nailed it!
November 24th, 2018 at 4:29 PM ^
I’ll bite. Name a coach who was fired after going 10-2 three times in four years. From ANY program. I’ll wait.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:45 PM ^
Do you want 10-win seasons over B1G dregs every year, or do you actually want to beat Ohio State?
November 24th, 2018 at 5:36 PM ^
Exactly. Are we happy with 10-2 perpetually with no victories over OSU, no B1G championships, and no opportunities to play in the CFP?
November 24th, 2018 at 7:21 PM ^
no one is happy. but we were sub 500 in 3 of the 7 years preceding JH.
November 24th, 2018 at 5:56 PM ^
John Cooper.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:18 PM ^
When Harbaugh goes into The Game knowing he's a significant underdog with lesser talent, he gets creative, he reaches deep down, he let's it all hang out and puts his team in a position to win if they can execute.
When he goes into The Game with the seemingly better team, he turtles up. Sample size: one.
So terribly disappointed in the coaching staff.
November 24th, 2018 at 6:23 PM ^
Sadly, Michigan Arrogance keeps staff and players (and fans) alike from adopting the underdog mindset necessary to beat a superior program like Ohio State.
November 24th, 2018 at 10:16 PM ^
Surprisingly good take.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:20 PM ^
What coaching? The team looked like nobody watched a goddamn minute of film, let alone open a media guide. What an utter embarrassment, the whole squad and coaching staff should be ashamed of themselves.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:20 PM ^
Shame on Urban for not trying for 70. Oh well, I suppose there's always next year...
November 24th, 2018 at 4:20 PM ^
I never thought I’d say this, but...
It’s time to fire Harbaugh. He owns this result. I could have forgiven a loss; in fact, I expected that OSU would beat us.
But to be humiliated so resoundingly rests solely and squarely on the shoulders of Michigan’s head coach. There was literally no phase of the game today in which Michigan appeared to be ready to play, which was arguably the most important of Harbaugh’s coaching career since the Super Bowl.
If he can’t win with the team he had going into this game, and against a suspect OSU team, then he never will. He’s got to go.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^
This is beyond stupid.
November 24th, 2018 at 6:43 PM ^
Content with 9-10 win seasons that always culminate in a loss to OSU? Get bent. Aspire for our program to achieve real success.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^
Although Harbaugh deserves a ton of the blame for the disaster of this game, I think we all have to come to terms with what Michigan is.
Michigan is not OSU. Michigan is not Clemson. Michigan is not Alabama. Michigan is not Oklahoma. Michigan is not Georgia.
Michigan is a very good top 15 program such as Wisconsin and Virginia Tech (the good years). Michigan is a program who wins 9-10 games a year, can beat some ranked teams at home, but is unable to compete on the large national scale.
I have finally come to terms with it, it is what we are. We should be happy to beat MSU and PSU, but we are not an elite program.
November 24th, 2018 at 4:43 PM ^
You are right but a great offensive scheme could bring us closer to osu
November 24th, 2018 at 4:46 PM ^
I very strongly disagree. The talent is on the roster right now to beat OSU and get into the playoff.
But JH is completely mismanaging the offense.
JH is underperforming on offense by a lot BC he has failed to grasp the way college football really works (on offense) these days.
If JH would just hire a top OC and let that guy use what is already on the roster, Michigan would get over the hump.
So much more to say, but the short version is as follows: When you have Patterson, plus DPJ, Tarik Black, Nico Collings, plus three pretty good TEs, and you just completely fail to use them much all year...then you are seriously doing it wrong...
November 24th, 2018 at 5:43 PM ^
I suspect they never trusted the tackles enough to play a straight up passing game.
November 24th, 2018 at 6:56 PM ^
Not if most of you pass plays are slow developing routes that take a full 7 second to come open.
Haskins only needs 3 or 4 seconds on the crossing and mesh concepts.
Again, JH needs to get a real OC that can bring some of the cutting edge concepts to Michigan. Pep's concepts are not great for the reality of today's CFB.
November 24th, 2018 at 7:34 PM ^
Think about what you just wrote:
”Mismanaging the offense...”
”JH is underperforming...”
”Failed to grasp...”
”Seriously doing it wrong...”
Which gets back to my original point. Can you imagine a scenario in any other profession where a performance review that included words and phrases like that would NOT get someone fired?
November 25th, 2018 at 1:04 AM ^
Actually in many corporations the high management is not great and still gets paid too much and does not get fired. And if they eventually do get fired, they may get a golden parachute.
Now if you are in middle management and you don't perform, you are toast.
November 25th, 2018 at 7:58 AM ^
I disagree.
We are a top 10 program, not top 15.
A modern offense only brings us closer.
Sure it will be tough to penetrate the top 5 but we are one of the few programs that should consistently challenge for it.