11W with a scorched-Earth Nassar headline
February 1st, 2018 at 3:17 PM ^
The one and only place where you -- you alone -- claimed that I had wrongly "injected" a defense of Gibbons was in your post about Jameis Winston and what you thought was wrongdoing on the part of Tallahassee Police.
Days earlier, you had taken one of your shots at Gibbons.
In my comment on the Winston story, I did not attack you or even much disagree with your take on FSU, although I would now, now that Stuart Taylor has investigatied the story a bit better.
All that I wrote at that time was that the Michigan case with Gibbons was strikingly different from the FSU case with Winston. The FSU case invovled multiple communications between FSU football people and TPD. Arguable, suspicious interference. Winston & co. quickly lawyered up, and they refused statements for the most part (with some exceptions). The FSU case was suspicious in a dozen ways that the Gibbons case was not.
Contrast; Gibbons cooperated with AAPD. He was interviewed voluntarily without a lawyer. They asked him if he'd do a polygraph and he said he would. And never, ever, did anybody in Michign football or athletics administration interfere with AAPD.
That's essentially what I commented on your FSU/Winston post. And you freaked out. I saw Brian and Seth that evening at a tailgate before a game with Penn State and I laughingly told Brian that I think I was in the process of getting kicked out of 11W by Ramzy, and that I couldn't understand it because I had never had a problem with anybody else at 11W.
February 1st, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^
no reason to denigrate the guy like that, none at all. how creepy is it that he was posting on your blog when you've tracked him down and posted on this one? be the better person.
February 1st, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^
Ramzy has the right to defend himself against our resident whackjob.
February 1st, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^
mean-spirited parting shot, nope. not called for. you use the force necessary to repel an attack, so to speak. you don't stomp on somebody's head that was bugging you by tapping on your shoulder too much.
February 1st, 2018 at 4:45 PM ^
They clearly have personal issues that extend beyond MGoBlog/11W.
It doesn't really matter though. Section One will get himself banned again within a week or so.
February 1st, 2018 at 6:54 PM ^
Pretty sure I'm the one who made the comment that brought MMan/1.8 out In that 11W thread. If I recall, it wasn't anything bad/controversial, etc.
BUT WOOOO. MMan/1.8 you came in to add on to it (something in agreement with what I said if I recall correctly) but that was it for you.
I see your still as long winded here as you were at 11W.
You have quasi legendary status at 11W as a user who got banned and what went down.
I will say Ramzy's throttling of you was an entertaining read.
February 1st, 2018 at 8:00 PM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 8:26 PM ^
...WWTSD; I meant to say this before. If you are the person I am thinking of, it's really nice to hear from you and I mean that. If you are that person, and your memory is the same as mine, you'll remember this.
After I had returned from whatever silly double-secret probation Ramzy had imposed on me (and for reasons I don't understand, it was like the Talk of All 11W for a couple of weeks, right?) I had posted an innocuous comment on a page that you were reading. And you replied to my comment with something like, "Hey, M Man; you're out of jail!"
I took it (then, and now) as good-natured and friendly banter. I replied to you, not naming Ramzy or saying anything about him, saying, "Yeah, I'm back. I think I must have been the only person in the history of ElevenWarriors to have been suspended for a single 'off-topic' post."
And we carried on with the topic at hand.
And then, some time later, apparently Ramzy saw that, and freaked out all over again. That became my "passive-aggression" offense. On top of my "off-topic post" offense.
I really hope you are the person I am thinking of, and you can confirm every word of this.
O-H, my friend...
February 2nd, 2018 at 11:05 AM ^
You had commented on something I said and that, if not the end for you, was definitely the harbinger of the end. That was what earned you the double secret probation.
I thought you were gone after that. Didn't know you had very briefly re-appeared or the comment you mention above.
We disagree about Ramzy, but either way it's his (partially) site and so he makes the rules. Despite your taste in college football teams, I never thought you were that bad. Maybe too long winded and you definitely hit the Gibbons pipe way too much.
You should probably let it go.
Sorry I'm not the guy that you refer to here but have a good one.
February 2nd, 2018 at 11:34 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 5:35 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 6:02 AM ^
The title made it clear what it was about. Why did you click to open the thread if you are "groing weary" of such threads. Just don't click or comment, and get on with your life.
February 1st, 2018 at 6:07 AM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 7:00 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 7:10 AM ^
As much as your point total leads to be believe your opinions as expressed on this blog are respectable...
In the time you spend in this thread complaining, you could have emails Brian Seth or the mods or posted in the mod action thread your request.
posting these thoughts in this thread is literally like walking in a room labeled "MSU discussion" and yelling "i'm tired of this topic!!!!" at everyone in that room (who are discussing what they obvsly think is a relevant, interesting and important topic).
February 1st, 2018 at 9:28 AM ^
not writing about it, not talking about it, not dicsussing it is exactly what Michigan State wants to happen so they can bury it
February 1st, 2018 at 9:41 AM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 6:47 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 7:02 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 7:48 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 8:45 AM ^
Well it's the biggest story in college football right now (and one of the biggest in sports)... it happens to be taking place at Michigan's in-state rival... and it is being written about by the fanbase of our arch-rival. Pretty topical if you ask me.
February 1st, 2018 at 8:56 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 9:32 AM ^
I think the easy solution would be to not click on the thread.
February 1st, 2018 at 6:05 AM ^
that the 8th Amendment doesn't have a clause that excepts criminals like Nassar and his enablers.
February 1st, 2018 at 6:20 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 6:28 AM ^
One thing for sure is that doing the right thing no longer matters, especially to those in power. Just like at PSU, MSU administrators decided that doing the right thing was way more trouble than trying to sweep it under the floor. They knew what they were doing to contain the problem. I don't know how these people sleep at night. I hope they soon have time to think about it while they are in jail.
February 1st, 2018 at 8:47 AM ^
" sweep it under the floor" is an interesting turn of a phrase.
February 1st, 2018 at 11:28 AM ^
Well, there is a limit to how many times you can sweep it under the rug before you need more room.
February 1st, 2018 at 6:40 AM ^
one of the ohio folks posted a link to a 4 yr old wapo article and had the comment that we were on a list of schools with pending investigations:
and that list of 55 also included the holier- than- thou Wolverines. Who certainly live in glass houses, but are totally self unaware.
i have no idea what investigation he's talking about and i suspect it was a nothing-burger. that said, does anyone know?
February 1st, 2018 at 7:45 AM ^
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February 1st, 2018 at 7:25 AM ^
and it's on its way.
February 1st, 2018 at 8:36 AM ^
generally well written.
February 1st, 2018 at 8:41 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 8:54 AM ^
The thing about the headline is that it is absolutely 100% true. MSU spends a lot of its time and money trying to build its image and its finances.
It's a fucking shame that they don't feel as strongly about protecting their students and those treated at its clinics. Good on Ramzy for calling them out on it. There's no such thing as a "cheap shot" when you are calling out a corrupt administration on its upside-down priorities and doing so with sniper-like accuracy.
February 1st, 2018 at 9:15 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 9:13 AM ^
Provocative, to be sure, but....
February 1st, 2018 at 9:21 AM ^
that this should be bigger deal. Honest question - How many other Nassar/MSU articles has the author written/site posted before making the claim that we all should care more?
Because when I seach his recent articles I see this one and nothing else.
And when I seach "Nassar" in 11W I see this article and nothing else.
So it's good to see they are finally on the bandwagon too. Now that the entire story has been investigated and reported.
February 1st, 2018 at 9:46 AM ^
>How many other Nassar/MSU articles has the author written/site posted before making the claim that we all should care more?
Err, How many articles has Brian devoted to this topic?
>So it's good to see they are finally on the bandwagon too. Now that the entire story has been investigated and reported.
I don't think 11w is claiming to be investigative journalists. I think it is entirely appropriate to wait until most of the facts have surfaced to reflect and rais awareness (ex. See Brian's post yesterday).
February 1st, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
Just thought it was redundant to say this should be a bigger deal when in the last couple of weeks it has already blown up into the national/international story it should have been.
February 1st, 2018 at 9:31 AM ^
February 1st, 2018 at 9:58 AM ^
It's taken them years to get their football team into the national conversation like their basketball team, and this happens. Sounds a lot like pride before the fall.
February 1st, 2018 at 9:43 AM ^
I liked the shareholder primacy versus stakeholder primacy analogy. Could take that argument a long way.
February 1st, 2018 at 10:46 AM ^
Of course, MSU should have done a better job stopping Nassar (that's not an unusual opinion to have). Why bring up the fact that MSU goes after Trademark violations in making that point? Every school does that.
As the 11W article says - Trademark violations are like a game of "whack-a-mole." Schools HAVE to have a dedicated team for stuff like this, because it literally happens daily.
Nassar type occurrences, obviously, are much more rare. Stopping them requires the intervention of people close to the situation - their vigilence and courage to do something when the "black swan" appears. Stopping Nassar type occurrence is a fundamentally different dynamic than stopping Trademark violations.
I guess I'm not seeing the 11W column as great or insightful. If anything, it's boilerplate.
February 1st, 2018 at 10:47 AM ^
It's not a great or insightful column, particularly, but what at 11W or in Ramzy's past work makes one expect that.
He's contrasting MSU's image management and damage of that prioritization wrought vs. inaction on more important matters within the mandate (like, say, campus participant/student athlete safety)
As a PSU fan, you would probably ecognize this type of concern under the former management of #JoeKnew and Spanier.
Ramzy's not great but he's not wrong.
February 1st, 2018 at 11:13 AM ^
were ~100ish recommendations on how to better protect children on campus. Recos were on stuff like increased abuse-awareness training, strengthened security measures, increased information collection and reporting requirements, a change in oversight and governance of the school's educational, research and athletic arms .... et cetera.
PSU instituted most of these recos. Many Universities - including MSU - leveraged the report themselves and reviewed/changed their own campus policies.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20120805/SUB01/308059986/universit…
That's all great. The thing is --- ultimately Nassar/Sandusky type situations gets stopped through the vigilence, actions and courage of people who are aware of the situations. You can have all the policies and rules and guidelines in the world. Ultimately it comes down to people doing the right thing.
MSU had policies and rules and guidelines. Their people failed. I don't necessarily see the solution as MORE policies and rules and guidelines. People just have to do the right thing.