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06/26/2018 - 11:56am The big Ann Arbor connection…

The big Ann Arbor connection with counsel for the NCAA is Ann Arbor attorney Greg Curtner, who is a true legal superstar in Ann Arbor.  I've had the honor of working with Greg; he is a machine.  An antitrust and sports law specialist whose experience matches anyone in the nation.  He's been involved in more big cases than I can count.

Funny thing is that I see Schiff Hardin listed as counsel, but I think Greg left them to join another national firm, Riley Safer.

06/21/2018 - 1:43pm Very, very true.  And if it…

Very, very true.  And if it isn't the niche that Moe's always held, it could have been the perfectly-groomed niche for Moe's.

06/21/2018 - 11:43am I hate getting this news. …

I hate getting this news.  Makes me cherish all the more the New Era Professional Model "M" hat that I got at Moe's on South State Street in 1979.  If my house was burning down and I could only run out with two arms full of stuff, that hat would be one of the collected items.

I hope that somebody from the M Den reads this and realizes that they could have done better with Moe's as an operating sub-brand.

When it is gone, there will never be another Moe's.  I'll further lose interest in licensed apparel, etc.


06/06/2018 - 10:59am Replying to myself, to bump…

Replying to myself, to bump this thread.  Just as I expected, the purpose of the subpoena was to drag Simon (along with the former head of USA Gymnastics) in front of tv cameras, to allow members of the Senate to scold them.  Virtually no new information was developed yesterday.  In terms of information, it would probably have been better to do as I suggested and send a team of Senate committee lawyers to Traverse City and put Simon through a six-hour cross-examination, instead of the television stunt.  (A stunt in which the USA Gymnastics guy did assert his Fifth Amendment rights and declined to answer questions, as was speculated elsewhere in this thread.  Simon did not make any Fifth Amendment plea.)

So Simon went to Washington, apologized (again) and (again) stated that Nassar was a clever and deceptive physician who traded on his good reputation and credentials (that part I have never actually understood; what made Nassar such a prized doctor?) to prey on his victims.  She did not admit personal liability, and as an ex-President of the university, she was completely unqualified to testify as to how the matter would be resolved and what the university would do going forward.

But she did testify.  She did answer the questions, such as they were.  The subpoena kerfuffle was much ado about nothing, and Mickey Morganroth was right, in questioning what the big deal was.  

06/01/2018 - 9:28pm Yeah; another star WR that the Lions passed on...…

05/31/2018 - 9:56am I want to take this on. Specifically.

What is, "increasing corporatization and plummenting fan experiment"?  I'd like you to be specific with regrad to the personal evils of Dave Brandon.

Before you begin, let us recall/agree that:

  • Brandon did not institute PSD's.
  • Brandon raised some ticket prices, just like Bill Martin had done, and all of the AD's had before him, and just like Warde Manuel will, in 2019.
  • One of the worst and most inexcusable things to happen during Brandon's tenure, the shifting of our MSU game to odd-numbered years, is reputed to have been forced on Michigan by the Conference.  I cannot vouch for that, but I don't have any evidence to point at Brandon (or Mark Hollis, for that matter).
  • Brandon had a role in, but was by no means determinative, in scheduling some night games.  I don't know if you hate night games as I do, or if you like them, as many on this Board seem to.  Whatever; Brandon's night game history consisted of little more than 2 home games with Notre Dame.  Television contracts seem to be forcing more night games than Dave Brandon ever did.  And Brandon was no the guy who ordered lthe lights for the tops of the concourses.
  • Brandon resisted the commercialization of the interior of the Stadium in a way consistent with his predecessors and his successor.  Not perfect, but substantially alike.
  • And of course, Dave Brandon presided over more major gifts to the Athleitc Department's general fund than anyone in history.


05/30/2018 - 9:33pm It is two courses. 36 holes.

The South course is a genuine architectural gem.  A short course of Par 68, and blessedly, because it was always the little brother, they left it alone.  It is one of the sweetest examples of Donald Ross design work in the midwest.

The North course is the big course.  It can be stretched to 7,000 yards+, which is the bare minimum for modern Tour players in the era of the Pro V1 (a technological threat to Michigan's own priceless Alister Mackenzie course).  They have altered the North Course, to keep up with technology and distances in the modern era, and some of the greens work in past decades didn't work too well, but their hosting a PGA Tour event will get them on their game.  Years of hosting the Buick was very good for the conditioning of Warwick Hills.  DGC is an even better course.  Although it is flat parkland.

So what they will do is, like the world class Royal Melbourne or Gullane or some others (Wentworth?  Sunningdale?) is create a "composite" course from the two courses.  They will pinch a few of the longer par 4's from the South to replace some short par 4's on the North, and may convert a Par 5 to 4.

The club has always hosted the Horton Smith Invitational, one of Michigan's premier amateur events, and it has hosted a USGA Mid-Am in the 1990's.  There have been some rather important exhibitions there as well, including one of the war years' Ryder Cup replacement matches during WWII. 

05/30/2018 - 6:03pm It's not court,


05/30/2018 - 5:22pm I didn't read the Times' story.

It is paywalled for me because I reached my limit of free NYT clicks.

So I read the story in the Detroit News.  They quoted Simon's attorney, the very experiened, respected and likeable Mickey Morganroth.

It's a Senate subpoena!  I'm tempted to say, "It's not a real subpoena," but that's not quite right.  Anyway, knowing Mickey, it takes a bit to get him pissed off enough to lash out at the process in this way.  It does sound to me like Thune's committee jerked everybody around on the scheduling.  And that the whole thing is for show.

Let's all make a deal, shall we?  Let's all watch that hearing on C-SPAN when it happens.  And let's see if any single new shred of information is developed, that wasn't already known, and which could not have been developed (and done better) by having four committee staff attorneys fly into Detroit Metro and ask her questions in a conference room with a court reporter and then go back to Washington the same day.

I'm betting that there will be nothing new, and that the day will be built around a handful of Senators making speeches for television.


05/30/2018 - 3:55pm I most assuredly WAS going to the games.

And yes, there were (and still are) attendance issues.

BY far the most noticeable attendance issue, is that the student section is almost never filled when a game starts, and is almost never filled when a game ends.  And in between, it is the spottiest attendance in the whole Stadium.

And yes, there are a lot of long-time season ticket patrons who are giving up.  I know many of them.  In virtually no case that I know of, was "David Brandon" the reason for quitting.  It was costs; it was the lack of interest among family and friends; it was tv; it was the tug of other matters in life; it was parking; it was a lot of things.

I am talking about thousands of ticket holders (when we are talking about students in particular) and millions of dollars (when we are talking about PSD payors whose interest in paying for Michigan football is waning).

It is ongoing; and as such, it is obviously far removed from David Brandon.

So, in that context, the "2 Cokes" promotion is a story that was, as I said, more misinformation than it was information about anything of substance.


05/30/2018 - 2:58pm I really, really want this fight.

But respectfully, I think it should be in a different forum, and it'll have to wait until I have more time.


05/30/2018 - 2:56pm There are thousands of such tickets...

Tickets that are sold to corporate buyers; tickets exchanged in contracts with the variety of Stadium, Athletic Department, and University contractors.  I'm not going to bother to try to keep track of them.

I'm not defending everything that happened under Brandon.  I thought I made that clear enough.

What I am more than happy to do, however, is to throw cold water on yet another MGoPage where Brandon is made into a cartoon villain.

And in this case, the "2 Cokes" reaction was so out of line with reality, so unrepresentative of facts, as to be more lie than truth.  We led the nation in home attendance in 2013, as we have in most years

05/30/2018 - 2:23pm Those hateful ignorant little fuckheads at Deadspin...

...also came after us, in their efforts to defend local hero Michael Rosenberg.  'Member this one?

Does anybody know how many tickets were at stake in that "massive" promotion?  Less than a hundred, right?


05/30/2018 - 2:09pm Oh, and by the way...

...the far more important point (to you, no doubt, and to me as well) is that you are now a "former" season ticket patron.  I feel very bad about that.

I presume, that things like PSD's, rising ticket prices, parking, and people's (your some-time guests) desires to watch the games on 60" HDTV's are what drove you out.  Dave Brandon was acutely aware of the competition of televsion versus the live experience and he said so, quite rightly.

I welcome your comments in reply.  What we know, is that none of those problems are the personal doings of David Brandon.  Brandon was probably the greatest single fundraiser and rainmaker the Michigan Athletic Department has ever known.  If Brandon is second, to Don Canham, it is still the highest praise.


05/30/2018 - 2:02pm LMFAO

That's the student section.  We'll have to start a whole new thread on the lameness of the students with their subsidized, below-market, no-PSD tickets.

05/30/2018 - 1:58pm It sure wasn't my idea...

... and I am very happy with the lack of advertising in Michigan Stadium.

But without a doubt as far as I am aware, the Kraft Noodle has appeared at landmarks all across the country from Boston's Faneuil Hall, to San Francisco's Fisherman's Wharf, with stops like Wrigley Field in between, and basically no one in America was as persnickety about it, as certain groups of Michigan football fans.

Y'all want to pay the FBS football players, but y'all won't do what it takes to get that kind of revenue.

For my part, I'm totally cool with less advertising, less professionalism of the athletes, less exploitation of the athletes.  Do all of that first, before some payment scheme.  Because I don't know where some of you think the money is going to come from.

05/30/2018 - 1:33pm "Nothing good ever happens after 2 am..."

... is now, "Nothing good ever happens on Twitter."


05/30/2018 - 1:29pm No, that's another lie.

Look, let's just be clear about it.  The "2 Cokes" promotion came about because a Michigan Union contractor had some extra tickets.  They were going to distribute them, the desired target recipients were to be Michigan-student Union customers, and so they did it without the AD's say-so.

It wasn't "necessary to resort to massive promotions like that."  It wasn't "massive."  It wasn't a general "promotion."  It was for students.  And it wasn't "promoted" by Brandon.

You say that ticket demand "plummeted" under Brandon.  Is there some MGoData on that?  Didn't my close personal friend WD have some data on that recently?


05/30/2018 - 12:54pm An old, true story; told by Bacon and others...

When Canham hired Schembechler, they made a deal and shook hands.  And Canham wanted to then introduce Schembechler to the media (notably, including the great Bump Elliott whose grace in that transition is nothing short of amazing and to everyone's -- but especially Bump's -- credit).

Bo said to Canham something like, don't we need to sign a contract or something?  And Canham's reply was, Bo, if it doesn't work out and you're going to get fired, they'll be firing me too...

(I don't have my copy of the book with me in the office, so sorry for any misquotes.)

Well, Canham knew what he was talking about.  It didn't work out with Brady Hoke, and both he and Brandon were gone.

05/30/2018 - 12:27pm This is sure some weird shit.

I remember a time when the "2 cokes" thing was effectively debunked as being the stupid not-what-you-think-it-was story by some guy named Brian Cook on a blog called MGoBlog.  Actually, Brian could have done a lot better at debunking, but Brian was (rightly) mad that it had happened at all, notwithstanding the fact that the original problem wasn't Brandon's doing at all.

And yet now we are building a generation that will believe the lie that David Brandon arranged for the "2 Cokes" promotion, and that the reason for the "2 Cokes" promotion existed at all was because Michigan football was so bad that no one would go unless tickets were given away.

If we were to go back to Brandon's ouster, the thing that I'd really like to see, now that everybody is over it, is the full printout of those emails that led to Brandon's replies.  I still don't think that anybody has been given the full details on those people, who seem to have made Wolverine Devotee's career as an MGoBlogger.  My intel is that those emails, and the authors, deserved the rather mild response that they got.  One way to settle it; show them all, WD.

Personally, although it was certainly a bad time for a lot of reasons, I like Brandon's replies as being part of the same guy who was a hero to me (and many other commenting members of these pages) as being the one guy who was unafraid to push back on the media narrative with the alleged football violations.  Check that; Brandon wasn't the only guy.  Brian Cook was another guy, with the brains and the balls and the platform to push back.  Brandon was just the only guy with any position at the University of Michigan to push back.  God bless him for that.

I've read Bacon of course.  And Bacon is right, of course.  But a few guys might remember my asking Bacon a question on the radio about all of this, and the question was whether Bacon was comfortable with the popular reactions to his book in which Brandon was being made into a cartoon villain.  The kind of cartoon villain that MGoBlog now makes of Brandon almost any time his name comes up.  And of course Bacon was not comfortable with that notion of villainy.


05/19/2018 - 11:33am I was going to post the same thing. I heard it in real time.

And it was Rachel Martin who did it.  It was so bad.  She introduced Engler as "Jim Engler."  Engler's first words were, "That would be my brother, Jim Engler.  I'm John.  Although sometimes I wish by brother Jim had this job..."

She gets to the end of the interview, and she did it again, calling him "Jim Engler," to which the former governor reacted, "I'm still John!"

In the midst of all of that, she referred to "the University of Michigan."

I could do with a lot less soft-voice empathy, and a lot more competence, from some of these broadcasters.

05/17/2018 - 2:27pm The best.

Just a fantastic place.  The third "deck," to the extent that it was a deck, was nothin' special, but it was good for Lions' games.  And of course the whole stadium was a kind of deficient place for a football game of any kind.  It was a baseball park.  Nevere meant for football.  But I got to see Gayle Sayers and the Bart Starr Packers there.

If you wanted to be hyper-critical, the very best stadium in the history of Detroit sports was Olympia.

And happily, the best stadium in this state or the Big Ten Conference is Michigan, and second place is very distant.

05/17/2018 - 2:15pm Well, just for that...

White Hart Lane.

Go Spurs.

05/17/2018 - 11:02am Given its location, and the setting, Ohio Stadium is...

...the best game-day experience in the conference.  Just the right distance to the major roads (although getting in on a game day is a bit tricky), walking distance from campus. plenty of walkable game-day parking, walk to High Street and Lane Avenue, and they have the most "into it" fans.

I very much like our Blue Lot; but Ohio State has the equivalent of about six Blue Lots.  Get to work on it, Warde.

And as much as I hate to say it, the State of Michigan's land grant university has a good supply of convertible property for football Saturdays.  The atmosphere is not nearly as good as OSU; sort of llike comparing the atmospheres of a U2 concert and a Rich Homie Quan concert.


05/17/2018 - 9:52am Yale Bowl.

The model for Michigan Stadium.  However, it really needs some upkeep work.  Not getting it yet, as far as I know.  Now in its second century.

It's really interesting, how the Yale bowl was the model for Michigan Stadium and Harvard's horseshoe shape was the model for Ohio Stadium.  Ohio Stadium would have been one of my favorites, but the renovations are just awful.  I would have loved to be in Ohio Stadium for the dedication game versus Michigan; 66,000 capacity with an open end and only the single deck.  I hate decks.  I was in Ohio Stadium for an early season game, in B deck, and almost suffocated on a 90-degree day.  And when I am in C World every year with the Michigan contingent, it is nosebleed territory.


05/16/2018 - 5:45pm Got it!

Never thought I'd say this, but... thanks!

05/16/2018 - 3:57pm Hey what up?

What happened to my pair of posts in the "MSU Settles with Victims for $500 Million" thread?

What rule was broken?

This was post one:


"How much for the plaintiff lawyers?  There was an awful lot of MGoConcern over how much the defense counsel for MSU could bill on an hourly rate.  It's going to be interesting to figure out the number of millions, and the number of lawyer-hours spent in the workup of the claimants' cases."U Settles With Victims for 500 Million MSU Settles With Victims f****or 500 Million


This was post two:


"I recognize several of the attorneys in the various victim phot-ops.  They would all, absoltely, have contingency-fee agreements with each and every claimant that they signed up, where the fee would be 33%, after expenses.

"But I think that those will all be mutally ignored, and that a number more like 10% might be agreed to in mediation.

"MSU might just pay that out separately, away from the $500m compensation fund.  But if it is only 10% of 500m, it is 50 million to be split among about 25 law firms each with 10-20 clients.  An average of $2m to each law firm.  For having done perhaps 1,000 hours of work.  That, my MGoFriends, is an hourly rate of $2,000 per hour.

"Knowing Engler from afar, my best guess is that he is a father of daughters, and remembers well the pain of any insult to them like Geoff Fieger's referring to them as being "born with corkscrew tails."  And that Engler wants justice for the girls who are involved.  And that privately, he hopes that Nassar and Stempel rot in hell.  But also, that Engler is an old warrior from the tort-reform days and he knows a lot better than most people what happens with contingency fees in personal injury litigation."


Remember, these two posts were bearing in mind previously MGoSanctioned MGoBoard discussions of Engler, and politics, and the hourly rates of MSU's defense counsel.


05/15/2018 - 3:42pm Wow.

This is the second "I don't like power seats" post.  Somebody up above agrees with you.

I have never before heard of anyone complaining about power seats.  I don't think I'd want a car without them.  

05/15/2018 - 3:39pm I don't think anybody has yet mentioned...

... the death of CD players.  Not for a moment, am I presuming that other inputs aren't a good idea; they are.  Or that perhaps a CD should be made an option (with other electronic stuff offered as an alternative).  But CD's will be as dead for use in cars as 8-tracks and casettes soon, and since CD's are still a viable means of music at home, it seems premature to me.


05/15/2018 - 3:23pm Exactly.

Talk to an auto engineer.  The whole push is to meet CAFE standards.  And the start/stop thing is not because consumers like it; it is to find yet another way to obtain some tiny % of fuel saving.

All I think about, is how many 8 and 9 year-old cars with that feature will stop on southbound I-75 at 7:30 am in February, and not start.


05/15/2018 - 9:29am I was responding to the myth

...that the NCAA is somehow making "billions" off of unpaid labor.  I don't accept that, and no one snould.

As for the proposal to allow student-athletes to capitalize on their images as university athletes, I just think that it is fraught with far more problems than solutions for anything.

05/14/2018 - 6:30pm What "profits"?!?

The NCAA isn't making any big profits.  It is an organization of participant institutions.  With basically all of those member institutions operating at a loss, and begging alumni and other donors for more and more support.

Eastern Michigan University isn't making "billions."  It is operating with a crippling loss and begging anyone they can find for support.

The University of Michigan's large and supposedly "self-supporting" Athletic Deaprtment can sort of function the way it does even under Title IX constraints, but only with the massive largesse of alumni and other donors who pay for PSD's and similar perks, and large donors who are essential to it all getting close to breaking even (with a moderate bonded debt load).

Wanna know where the millions go, that Michigan gets from Conference- and NCAA-negotiated revenue "off the backs of" the athletes in high-revenue sports?  It goes to support non-revenue sports; many of them women's sports.

Denard Robinson wasn't carrying many middle-aged white millionaires on his back.  Denard was carrying a couple dozen softball or field hockey players on his back.  TitleIX'ed.

There are a few -- very few -- middle-aged white millionaires in University of Michigan sports.  Jim Harbaugh is a middle-aged white male making millions off Univeristy of Michigan sports.  John Beilein is a middle-aged white male making millions off University of Michigan sports.  But I am guessing that an MGoPoll would not question either of those two cases of transfer payments from the UM Athletic Department revenues to certain middle-aged white males.

05/14/2018 - 1:25pm This is an interesting take....

"I'd like to know how NIL rights being granted back to the athletes would demonstrably worsen the current system for anyone other than the schools that previously profitted from it without giving up a cut."

So schools are "profitting from" indivudual athletes?  We should all try to avoid that.  So, no names of current athletes on for-sale jerseys.  No names of current athletes on video games.  Like, uh, stuff that is being done now.  How else are individual athletes being "profitted from"?

I say, as I always do; intercollegiate athletics should be for students.  Professional minor leagues should be for future pro's.  I'd like everything in college football to move in the direction of less professionalism, not more.

05/14/2018 - 12:54pm I can hardly wait...

... for all of the complications, abuses, unintended consequnces and general nastiness that unfolds when intercollegiate athletes start signing their own private promotional deals.

How schools will recruit with promises of exposure, and competitive prmotional deals.  The 19 year-olds signing promotional deals with lawyers who are agentsbutnotthatkindofagentrightnow.

Usually, when 80% of sports fans and 90% of sports writers all agree on something pertaining to amateur athletics, they have it wrong. 


05/12/2018 - 1:37pm I hope that no matter what happens while he is an underclassman,

...that Joe Milton has a fun, rewarding, successful experience as a Michigan undergrad.

And that in the future, when he is speaking with the press, he will make correct usage of “anybody” and “nobody”

05/10/2018 - 11:42pm But, no poli--

Oh, never mind.

05/10/2018 - 9:21am Wait just a minute!

Your quote:  "Should we try and discourage victims to come forward to prevent false claims? No."


Who ever suggested that "we [should] try and [sic] discourage victims to come forward to prevent false claims"?

I encourage victims to come forward.  And supply information and evidence to law enforcement.  And to fully cooperate with law enforcement.  And we should offer all needed protections, to any alleged victim who cooperates with law enforcement.

What I don't support, are media trials.  I don't support quasi-trials of 20-year-old complaints.  And I don't support university-based Title IX kangaroo courts.


05/09/2018 - 7:07pm I support the team.

I support the team, to the tune of mid-four figures each and every year.  I'm not going to listen to any millennial douchebag tell me that I don't support the team.

By the way, I am in my seat before the Marching Band enters the field, and I am there to watch the coaches shake hands at the end.  Supporting the team.

Finally, I guess I yell more than I realize, because I am frequently hoarse at the end of games, without even recalling what I did to get that way.

Come back to lecture me about boomers, when the students fill their section before kickoff, and when all the STAND UP people come up with an appropriate PSD number for their own section(s).

05/08/2018 - 5:06pm I think there is one other guy...

I'd never know this, if he didn't have a famous uncle (who I had a chance to talk to, and is the only way that I'd ever think about this...), but there is another OSU scholarship QB.  It's Justin Cook, who is the nephew of PGA Tour golfer and OSU All-American John Cook.  He was a preferred walk-on, but I think he's got a scholarship now.  He has RS-Junior eligibility, I believe.

Correction: Nope; he's gone.  Graduated.



05/04/2018 - 2:55pm You are not saying that MSU should get the death penalty.

And, I am not saying that I know that MSU basketball, or football, are clean.

I don't know that.  I have heard the same sketchy stuff as everybody else has, about MSU football and basketball.

But, I would spearate the issues, and you better believe that unless there is an appropriate investigation that shows that MSU basketball has violated bylaws, or that football has violated bylaws, it is going to be very hard for anybody to maintain a serious argument that those two programs need or deserve some Nassar-related punishment.

05/04/2018 - 10:51am And there may indeed be some NCAA findings, and sanctions...

... at the conclusion of all of this.

However currently, it seems to be the considered MGoOpinion that MSU is being ridiculously defensive, for suggesting that no specific bylaw volations were found in their examination of the existing record.  For that, MSU is being pilloried here.

I am actually not suggesting that the NCAA has no role here; nor am I suggesting that nothing should, or will, happen to MSU on the sanctions front.

I am instead cautioning against the excesses of rival sports fans' rabid discussions of legal and administrative issues.

05/04/2018 - 10:46am I have aksed this before...

Do you want the NCAA "death penalty" for MSU gymnastics?

Or do you want some severe NCAA sanctions imposed on MSU football and basketball, even if Nassar had nothing to do with football and basketball (and those programs having nothing to do with Nassar), just 'cuz football and basketball are, like, m-o-n-e-y ?

Should we stop at gymnastics, football and basketball?  What about lacrosse?  I heard something about something bad happening at Duke, with lacrosse.  There's swimming and diving and baseball and golf.  Maybe, we just punish all of the mens teams?  Because male privilege?

Anyway, it was your idea so I will let you decide how to properly impose a wider punishment at Michigan State.


05/04/2018 - 10:29am I've never understood the attitude with some CFB fanboyz...

Wherein they expect the NCAA to be a kind of overall, all-encompassing moral police force for anything having to do with any college foootball player or coach.

It is a voluntary association of member institutions.  With a self-reporting ethos.  I want the NCAA to investigate bad officiating, and cheating scandals.  Not sexual assault crimes.

Naturally, the motivation is strong, for Michigan fans to want anything bad at Michigan State to be translated into punishment that will work a competitive disadvantage on MSU athletics.  Fanz, and all.

But we have police, and courts, to address criminal activity.  We have seen what happens when univerisities try to play cop/investigator/judge/jury in the Title IX context.  What we get, are laughably bad and ujust results like Drew Sterrett at Michigan and Joshua Strange at Auburn.  (And about a hundred other lawsuits across the country, which F.I.R.E. has been monitoring.)  And not much to show for it in a case like Michigan State, where Title IX obviously didn't work to avert a horrendous criminal pattern.

Quit asking the NCAA, or collegiate Title IX operations, to be law enforcement.

btw; count me as an upvote, Nittany Fan.  I am not fan of Penn State and I franklin didn't much want PSU in the Conference.  But you may be the first person on this thread to have at least "cited" the operative NCAA bylaws.



05/03/2018 - 9:25pm Upvoted. Thank you.

Now, about that upset in 1969. It wasn’t a big upset because Michigan wasn’t a good team. It was an upset because that was the best team in Woody Hayes’ long tenure and probably the best team in OSU history.

Michigan was ranked #12 that week. It would have been higher, but in the early season we lost to a Missouri team that was coached by Dan Devine and went on to win the Big 8 championship, played Penn State in the Orange Bowl and finished #6 in the nation. And, we lost to Sparty in East Lansing, continuing a very long tradition of almost every coach on both sides of that rivalry losing their debut game.

The 1969 Wolverines were a very good football team and by the end of the year could play with anybody in the country.

05/03/2018 - 3:12pm Boren's mom and dad wrote that press release.

They wrote that Michigan had lost its "family values" under Rich Rodriguez.  People took it sort of literally, and seriously, and Michael Rosenberg added fuel to the illegitimate fire by yammering about how Rodriguez practices were abusive and obscenity-filled.

All of which was a monstrous sort of joke.

First, what everybody should have realized right away (because it was so obvious, but nobody wanted to say it) was concerning the real reason that the whole Boren family went so ballistic that they pulled Justin out of school; it was because then-Pickerington senior Zach Boren did not get the Michigan scholarship that he had waited his whole life for.  Zach's understood position at that time was as a fullback, and the Rodriguez offense just didn't use a fullback.  And nobody in football was recruiting Zach as a llinebacker.  Ohio State, which eventually gave him the "family" scholarship that he wanted from Michigan, gave him the spot as a fullback, not a linebacker.  OSU took Zach, with a scholarship, along with non-scholarship Justin (whose father owned a reasonably prosperous landscaping and snowplowing business in suburban Columbus).  

The "family values" that the Boren family thought Michigan had lost, was the alleged promise that the Boren family felt was made by Lloyd Carr that Zach would get a scholarship offer.  Mike Boren let slip later on that "He would not have his two sons playing for two different universities."  That line said everything.

Second, the absolute joke about "family values" in the case of the Boren family is that they are all some of the roughest, most foul-mouthed people you could ever imagine.  Published stories from Justin's days at Pickerington were that at halftimes, Mike would yell at Justin so ferociously that they thought, "somebody might call the cops."

Third, as to Michael Rosenberg adding to the rumor/myths about Rodriguez football practices, as our own Brian Cook and John U. Bacon have pointed out, Rosenberg is noted to have scarcely spent any time at any of the practices that were open to the press in that early period of Rodriguez.

05/03/2018 - 9:51am Yeah this is Walleye time, right now!

Does anybody care to give me a referral for a good walleye charter out of northern Ohio/Sandusky area?  What about Michigan/western Lake Erie/Lake St. Clair?


05/02/2018 - 8:50pm I love Rod Allen

Mario Impemba and Rod Allen are great imho.

Dan Dickerson is excellent. Jim Price is okay for me as the ‘68 Tigers sentimentalist I am.

The few times I’ve heard Jack Morris, he’s been good. I have to overcome what I know about Morris personally, to enjoy his commentary; he’s not a nice guy.

05/02/2018 - 1:00pm Ahhh...

Wow, this is a great post, Brian.  I think you nailed it with every word.  What separated Michigan from something like a run at a Big Ten title, in about a dozen short paragraphs.

05/01/2018 - 5:27pm I'm a sentimentalist.

I liked the old letters, too.  I was one of the people who spoke to Bill Martin and encouraged him to preserve the letters.

But they do not fit, with the new concourses.  Nothing like that fits with the new concourses.  Not "national championship years," not retired jersey numbers, not "ring of honor" names.  I want none of that.  Most important, the architects agree and they too want nothing like that.


05/01/2018 - 5:23pm Oh, I have no problem with asking someone to sit down.

I think that it is the friendly and civil thing, to ask someone to sit if they are blocking my view for no good reason (i.e., no one else standing in front of them).

I think asking once, nicely, and then again, more insistently but in a non-threatening way is the thing to do.

The third time, what I would not do, is "make" somebody sit down.  I'm a firm believer in just asking, and making myself clear.

After that, I'd let the ushers handle it; I'd let them call the police.