|09/21/2018 - 5:25pm||Just what I needed.
Just what I needed.
|09/19/2018 - 10:30am||So here we go with the …||
So here we go with the "plantation" bullshit.
As far as I am concerned, there is no "market" for college football players. The moment that they start getting paid, is the moment I am done with the entire enterprise. I am out; not buying tickets, not supporting it, not watching it. Fall is a great time to play golf.
Amateurism in college football is one of its great features, it is not a bug.
I seriously suggest that all of the social justice warriors who want to see 18-21 year olds getting paid for playing football, go start an NFL minor league. And don't try to borrow off the credibility, tradition, history, pageantry and general model of college football.
|09/18/2018 - 7:19pm||No.
But the reason I watch…
But the reason I watch college football is not because I am addicted to football at the highest level. I could watch the NFL, if that was my thing.
I never, ever watch the NFL.
I am interested in college football, because that is what I find interesting. The regular turnover of players; their youth and the unpredictability of college football. The exalting of institutional tradition, over any individual players.
If Big Ten football had to choose between "the NFL" or "the Ivy League" as a model, I would choose the Ivy League in a millisecond.
|09/18/2018 - 7:05pm||wtf? There are students …||
wtf? There are students "laboring" in the law quad, and the chemistry building and in East Engineering too. We aren't paying them.
Really; any student-athlete who feels that their labor is being stolen from them should just get out and go to where they feel appreciated.
I want to make a really clear point because I see where you and I are headed here. To the extent that college football is a "job" apart from school, which dominates time and energy and everything else and which looks and feels like a job; that is a problem with college football. The answer is NOT to pay players for performing that job. The answer is to change college football to make it less like any sort of a job, and more like a sport in which student-athletes participate for fun.
Paying players makes the problem worse; it doesn't make things better.
|09/18/2018 - 7:01pm||But I'm not paying to go to…||
But I'm not paying to go to a Lions game. I've never paid to go to a Lions game. And I won't watch them on television either. I'm not interested in professional, or semi-professional, football.
I am interested in collegiate football precisely because of what it is. I'm more interested in Yale-Harvard, than I am in Bears-Packers.
And I am out, when college football isn't that anymore.
|09/18/2018 - 6:43pm||Oh, I don't think it is so…||
Oh, I don't think it is so great for coaches. It is bewildering to me, what coaches get paid. But the reason that they get paid so much is clear enough. Head coaches are paid to produce super-competitive teams that serve as "front porches" (a U-M marketing term) for multi-billion dollar universities, and at a more micro level, as revenue generators for athletic departments that must support Title IX-mandated budgets.
The difference between a 6-6 coach and a 12-0 coach at Michigan is not equivalent to $5 million; it is an almost unquantifiable multiple of that.
But if you are interested in an NCAA-wide cap on coaching salaries, I'm all ears. It won't bother me a bit to engage in that conversation.
|09/18/2018 - 6:23pm||Those student-athletes in…||
Those student-athletes in the Big Ten are where they are, and doing what they are doing, by virtue of decades of hard work and tradition of generations of student-athletes before them, and some really grand support from their state and federal governments over more than 100 years. They are some of the luckiest people on the planet, to be attending Big Ten universities on athletic scholarships. What is an 18 year-old Jalen Rose doing if there are no basketball scholarships? Playing ball in an NBA developmental league in Gary, or Fort Wayne.
|09/18/2018 - 6:07pm||The simple reason that NCAA…||
The simple reason that NCAA regulations and bylaws are so complex, is because people will go to such incredible lengths to skirt them.
Paying college players would be opening one of the biggest cans of worms in NCAA history.
|09/18/2018 - 6:04pm||Ed Martin was not a booster…||
Ed Martin was not a booster.
Alright; under the byzantine and ultraconservative definitions of the NCAA, Ed Martin was a "booster." But ONLY by that definition was he a booster.
Ed Martin was a felon. A scumbag. A numbers-running union thug factory rat.
Ed Martin never attended the University of Michigan. Not a student, not a grad, not an alum, not a donor. He was not a Michigan coach or team member. He was not on staff, was never a faculty member, and was not even (as far as I know) a Michigan parent or tuition-payer.
Ed Martin never gave Michigan a dime, as far as I am aware. Ed Martin's specialty outside of federal criminal activity was that he curried favor with select young men from inner-city Detroit with superior athletic talent, for the purpose of hopefully capitalizing on their success someday for himself. So he ingratiated himself with them, gave them money and favors and other things, and did almost nothing of any consequence at all for the University of Michigan or any other university.
And now, the one good thing about Ed Martin is that he is dead.
|09/18/2018 - 5:55pm||Those 18-22 year olds don't…||
Those 18-22 year olds don't have to labor and sacrifice anything if they don't want to. They are incredibly lucky to be where they are.
I already said; I am done with college football when and if they start paying players. I hope that there are so many others out there like me, that no serious person will consider implementing it.
You have no idea how much I want this fight.
|09/18/2018 - 5:50pm||Nonsense.
Nobody of any…
Nobody of any repute who has ever been a coach, or an administrator at a high level in collegiate athletics has ever been in favor of paying players.
The people who want to play college players are sportswriters and bloggers and others whose jobs depend upon access to, and favor with, college athletes. Everybody who doesn't have to pay for college athletics and who doesn't have to balance an athletic department budget wants to pay college athletes.
And really; screw tv. TV, as Brian is now very rightly pointing out, is just messing up game days for the people who pay for games in Michigan Stadium, and who are the financial lifeblood of the Athletic Department.
What we need, is a better/clearer way to exert pressure on AD's and conferences, to say no to TV demands.
|09/18/2018 - 4:48pm||How was that flatly untrue…||
How was that flatly untrue assertion "demonstrated yesterday"?
A small number of collegiate athletic departments operate in the black at all. Most operate on a shoestring that is only made possible by generous donors.
The U-M Athletic Department is not swimming in money. They are begging me for more money on a monthly, if not weekly, basis.
I have a real question in my mind about coaching salaries. But the market dictates that. It's a true, free market in an ultra-competitive environment. If somebody wanted to put an NCAA cap on coaching salaries, it would be fine with me. But I don't see that happening.
I am glad that in the late 1920's, there was no one with strong influence who was saying, "We need to stop building these massive 75,000 -100,000 seat stadiums."
btw; I've been going to Michigan games for 50 years. I started VERY young. In all of that time, and after a monumental amount of time in Blue Lot tailgates, I don't think I have ever purchased a single item of food inside Michigan Stadium. Some water on hot days in September; some coffee on cold days in November. A few beers when no one has been looking. "Food" is what tailgating is for.
|09/18/2018 - 4:36pm||Wait a minute!
Wait a minute!
The choice is (1) pay players some sort of salary (presumably with a collective bargaining agreement to boot), or (2) cancel out the entire athletic department...?!?
No more scholarships, no more competitions? No more playing for the fun of it at a high level, and getting a rather amazing scholarship with a life changing experience?
How much is the MGoBlog membership going to pay, toward Michigan football player salaries? Is it in fact true, that most of the MGoMembership watches the games on television? What % of MGoBoyze are paying for PSD's and season tickets? What % are Victors Club members? What is the average age of MGoBoard posters?
|09/18/2018 - 2:38pm||I have long maintained that…||
I have long maintained that the day that we start paying Michigan players is the day I cancel my season tickets.
I am totally with the Wisconsin Chancellor, and I hope that more Big Ten Presidents get on board.
I like major league baseball, and golf. I am otherwise completely uninterested in professional sports. They can do what they want; it's a free country. But they won't get my money or my tv-viewing eyeballs.
|09/17/2018 - 11:34am||This is what I was talking…||
This is what I was talking about, regarding past years' observance of "knee pads." My recollection is that you had to have knee pads in your pants, but nobody actually enforced where they covered your leg.
And so you got a Jourdan Lewis, before the 2018 rule emphasis on enforcement. (I think that there are a couple of ultra-slim-fit knee pads somewhere in this picture. The Fab Five probably had longer game pants.):
|09/17/2018 - 9:45am||More, on NCAA knee pad…||
Apparently there are some new "coverage" emphases for 2018.
|09/17/2018 - 9:32am||Quick reply to myself and my…||
Quick reply to myself and my first reaction; I see that some of the Redditors suspected that the ref actually WAS signaling Bush to get off the field. Why? Apparently a knee pad violation. Bush's pants weren't covering his knees adequately. At the end of the play, it almost looks as though that same Umpire was jawing at Bush again about it. I see some motion by Bush at various points, to pull the bottoms of his pants down over his knees.
If there is a difference in officiating styles, one thing I'd have to say about B10 crews is that they sure don't care much about "knee pad coverage" from looking at a lot of DB's and WR's in games over the past 5 years+.
|09/17/2018 - 9:05am||Wow. Saturday was one of…||
Wow. Saturday was one of the few home games I've missed in years (flu - yuck. At least I didn't give it to any one of 110,000 others), and I actually just listened to the radio broadcast. And I have to say, between Brandy as an ad-hoc play-by-play man and Dan Deirdorf as the sole analyst... well, I miss Tom Hemmingway and Tom Slade.
So I never saw this until now.
Look at Kaleke Hudson in that segment; he's freaking out about how the defense is out of alignment. Devin Gil is, too.
The ref doesn't simply move Bush a step or two; he directs him from Devin Gil's left, to Devin Gil's right side, essentially out of the box. And Devin Gil's response is to then overreact and over-pursue the fake to the right side of the SMU line. And poor Devin Bush is scrambling in both directions.
I can't wait for an official explanation of this. It looked like the ref was telling Devin Bush to get off the field.
|09/16/2018 - 7:23pm||I usually hate seeing almost…||
I usually hate seeing almost anything to do with the NFL on this Board. If it were up to me, I'd be less hostile to a few of the supposed "politics" posts, and more strict about "NFL" posts. In more ways than I can count, I think the NFL is slowly hurting college football.
But this story was rather interesting, once you get past the Twitter postings about Davis "quitting," and realize that the guy is RETIRING. It isn't a contract holdout; not an ego-tripping fight with a coach or an owner. It just became clear to him that he no longer belonged on the field, and did not wish to play (and risk injury) without believing in himself.
I found his personal explanation to be amazingly articulate. He made it clear that me meant no disrespect to his teammates or coaches. He wanted to "walk away healthy..." rather than "embrace the warrior mentality and limp away too late."
|09/11/2018 - 11:27am||Kudos to the OP. And to all…||
Kudos to the OP. And to all who are making this a good discussion.
Plaintiff's counsel Deborah Gordon also successfully represented Drew Sterrett in his successful claim to overturn his expulsion.
I realize that there will be many holding to the opinion that sexual assault accusers are facing awful choices in that going forward with a legal complaint and/or appearing as a complaining witness in a criminal prosecution is daunting and potentially hurtful.
You all should also take into account how hard it is, to fight the Big U in court like this. Deb Gordon is an extremely skilled and experienced advocate. While she has a fine record in these cases, I am as yet unaware that any of these cases have resulted in any large monetary judgments, out of which a plaintiff attorney might take a 1/3 contingency fee.
Many of the federal statutory schemes allow for imposition of attorney fees, such as with 42 USC Sec. 1983. And in the Drew Sterrett case, Deb Gordon won that case with a settlement they may have (probably did) provide for attorney fees.
But please remember that the Regents have layers of legal staff, and a practically unlimited budget for the most extravagantly equipped large law firms in the state and, when they go to the Supreme Court, the nation. It is ridiculously difficult, to sue the University through the Regents. Expensive, lengthy, hard.
|09/09/2018 - 8:51pm||The way that Coach Warriner…||
The way that Coach Warriner speaks of his raw abilities is like the way that Coach Fred Jackson could speak about a running back's raw abilities, but with even more power and exceptional quickness.
|09/09/2018 - 1:07pm||You say that like it's a bad…||
You say that like it's a bad thing.
|09/07/2018 - 11:20pm||Yes; it was on tv. I saw…||
Yes; it was on tv. I saw the game live, and very late in the game my grandfather left with me in tow, and walked back to Yost Fieldhouse to try to dry out and warm up. Johnson had already left the game. We got into Yost, which in those days had a gigantic open floor and up on the wall was a tiny 19" (?) black and white tv set with the game on. I saw the game live, and saw the last minutes on a tv. There were about 50 of us standing and watching that tiny black and white television.
|09/07/2018 - 11:11pm||I was there.
It was one of…
I was there.
It was one of the top three worst weather days I have ever seen in Michigan Stadium. Rain, sleet, snow in succession going sideways most of the time. And Bump pulled Johnson out of that game so early! He could have run for 400+ yards.
I still have the program, with my 12 year-old handwritten note of Ron Johnson's rushing yardage for the day. Fittingly, it was a program with Johnson himself on the cover.
|09/07/2018 - 2:24pm||(No subject)||
|09/05/2018 - 10:13am||Bando, I know a hell of a…||
Bando, I know a hell of a lot better than you, why I was banned at ElevenWarriors.com.
First, Ramzy Nasrallah attacked Brendan Gibbons and Michigan at the time of his "Office of Student Conflict Resolution" expulsion. Ramzy thereafter called Gibbons a "rapist." And I pointed out that Gibbons had never been charged with, tried for, or convicted of, a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g, most particularly including rape.
Ramzy suspended me, not for any cognizable rule of their Forums, but rather for an "off topic" post. When that suspension expired, and when I returned and joked with another member that I must certainly have been the only member of the Forums to ever be suspended for a single off-topic post, he put me on double-secret probation. At which point I wrote to all of the 11W staff, that if Ramzy had been working for a real publication, and he had put into a draft story his assertion that a young man who had never been charged with a crime was a "rapist," Ramzy's fictional editor would call him in to change it. And if Ramzy refused to make that change immediately, Ramzy's next meeting would be with the publisher, and perhaps their general counsel.
I wasn't kicked off 11W for violating any rules. I was kicked off for having the good sense and the determination to challenge Ramzy Nasrallah on a straight issue where his position was absolutely indefensible.
|09/05/2018 - 9:44am||Look at what you're doing! …||
Look at what you're doing! You are so inflamed, so impassioned and so unhinged that you are putting me in a category of "victim blamers" and "perpetuating" a culture in which survivors live in fear.
I'm not taking that from you, or from anybody.
I wrote nothing like that on these pages and you've got a lot of freaking nerve to suggest it.
You have a real problem with "imagining" (your terminology) what my thoughts and motives are. You should do better with reading, and do less imagining.
|09/04/2018 - 11:06pm||Attaboy.
Nothing says, "I…
Nothing says, "I am being more civil than others," quite like a good ole, "Fuck civility politics."
|09/04/2018 - 11:03pm||I'll never forget it. I was…||
I'll never forget it. I was there. I had given away my four tickets, but after the events of that week, I had to go. I sat on the West sideline, with a view not unlike that camera angle.
It was the Saturday after Stretchgate appeared on the front page of the Sunday Detroit Free Press. And in the reporters' roundtable of predictions for that week, Mark Snyder predicted Michigan would be upset by Western. (Western featured Tim Hiller at QB.)
Lulz. Mark Snyder, now the Director of Communications and Marketing for Lake Orion Public Schools.
|09/04/2018 - 10:52pm||Is this even addressed to me…||
Is this even addressed to me? Did you make some kind of mistake? You can't find one word from me, taking the side of any "unknown rapist." What does "unknown rapist" mean?
|09/04/2018 - 9:52pm||So I am an OSU fan. Lulz. …||
So I am an OSU fan. Lulz. I can't wait to break that news to OSU fan (and IU grad) Ramzy Nasrallah. I love surprises.
|09/04/2018 - 9:23pm||Let's review.
So far on…
So far on this thread, I have:
And for that, Bando, you want me banned.
|09/04/2018 - 6:06pm||I can think of reasons why a…||
I can think of reasons why a survivor might not cooperate with police.
But we should be fighting that issue with everything we've got. Rape cases and domestic assaults should be police matters. We need to encourage more victims to engage with the criminal justice system. Report to police and cooperate with prosecutions. Protect accusers in any and every way that they might feel that they need to be protected.
Brenda Tracy didn't do that. And of course I will not blame her or shame her for her choice. But personally, I'm not much motivated to celebrate her for that choice either.
|09/04/2018 - 5:54pm||I never wrote to complain…||
I never wrote to complain about the Athletic Department's invitation to Brenda Tracy to speak to several teams, as part of education and informational exercises. "Bringing to light a serious problem on many college campuses and college athletics," as you say.
The "honorary captain" role is, in my opinion, different from an educational role. It is a splashy public relations play. And an unfortunate one. In the wrong setting.
I'm trying to figure out a way to make this hurt for my detractors, by making this as reasonable as possible. I am not opposed to Brenda Tracy's views. I am certainly not opposed to Brenda Tracy's rights to engage in activism. I am not doing any victim-blaming or victim-shaming. Far from it. The opposite, in fact. I wish that Brenda Tracy had been a courtroom witness in her case.
You see, if somebody committed a rape I don't want him kicked off the Oregon State football team. If somebody committed a rape I want him in jail.
|09/04/2018 - 5:29pm||I am saying that I regard it…||
I am saying that I regard it as an unfortunate decision by our Athletic Department, but that it is one which the wide world of political correctness won't ever question.
|09/04/2018 - 5:26pm||Legislative activism.|
|09/04/2018 - 5:25pm||Well several years ago, I…||
Well several years ago, I pointed out to the 11W crowd how Brendan Gibbons had fully cooperated with police, without a lawyer, and all the while volunteering to take a polygraph. And Gibbons was never charged. The OSU fanboys, with some interesting and notable exceptions, weren't having it. Not from me; and not regarding a Michigan football player.
Jump forward to 2018, and we can see the same OSU fanboys arguing that Zach Smith (with much more damning evidence arrayed against him) was never convicted of anything.
Yes rape is a serious matter, and a serious crime. Rapes need to be prosecuted.
Gibbons' accuser quit cooperating with authorities.
Zach Smith's accuser has not pressed charges with any domestic violence allegation.
And Brenda Tracy declined to cooperate with authorities.
|09/04/2018 - 5:17pm||Of course rape is not…||
Of course rape is not political. It is a crime.
Brenda Tracy is, by all accounts including her own, an "activist." She is regularly involved in political activism. Again, by her own account. Her own bio notes the number of bills she's been involved with.
I would have a lot more empathy with Brenda Tracy if she had not stopped cooperating with authorities, in her notorious allegations against a group of Oregon State football players.
I want this to be clear; I am not tolerating rape. I want all rapes to be investigated and prosecuted. I am not against political activism. I am not against Brenda Tracy being an activist, or having activist views.
I just think that this is not the best choice by Michigan's Athletic Department.
Further, I don't even expect that Michigan will be viewed negatively for this; we aren't the first to use a football game to celebrate Brenda Tracy. Arizona State and Stanford have done it as well, right?
So if I am to be negbombed, it is not for any extremist viewpoint; it is for the mildest expression of disagreement with the MGoMajority.
|09/04/2018 - 5:05pm||No; I don't think that the…||
No; I don't think that the University of Michigan Athletic Department is wise to get into the business of political activism.
|09/01/2018 - 3:11pm||Anybody who doesn’t…||
Anybody who doesn’t understand what a great coach Gary Moeller was, and what a badass he was as an OC, needs to watch the video with the amazing, historic headset audio.
If you’ve never heard it before, you might not believe your ears.
Kudos to the OP.
|08/31/2018 - 9:11pm||Role with it.||
Role with it.
|08/31/2018 - 9:07pm||I have a nonessential role…||
I have a nonessential role for you his game, which is to watch TV.
|08/31/2018 - 4:12pm||I've now been refreshed on…||
I've now been refreshed on where that notion came from; that Meyer didn't delete anything.
I normally like Tim May; with Doug Lesmerises they are one of the best newspaper teams covering any B1G program. But May's Tweet is now raising more questions. Where was there any information about the phone, from Meyer, or from Meyer's attorney today, and on the record? Where was the presumed Friday story in the Dispatch about what May was told by the attorney?
|08/31/2018 - 3:05pm||Meyer knew about the 2015…||
Meyer knew about the 2015 events. Meyer did not know about a 2015 "felony", or any other felony, because there hadn't been any felonies.
I think that what Meyer said was clumsy and stupid, in retrospect. But the question in reviewing Meyer was whether there was a kind of mens rea and whether it was a lie warranting dismissal.
|08/31/2018 - 2:13pm||I actually agree with your…||
I actually agree with your comment. That would have been a much smarter play on Meyer's part. You're right.
But it didn't happen that way. Meyer spoke, and misspoke, and what happened, happened. All that I am saying is that the way that Meyer's Media Days comments were subsequently explained, was consistent with what we saw in that text page.
|08/31/2018 - 12:38pm||I must say; looking at the…||
I must say; looking at the revealed text messages behind that aspect of the investigation, I have a much greater appreciation for Meyer's version of those events.
Have all of you read that part of the document disclosure? Specifically the redacted group text at p. 475?
I actually agree with the Meyer defenders who say that that particular document supports the notion that Meyer knew nothing about any "felony" (which was a reporting error).
|08/31/2018 - 12:31pm||Nothing about his phone.
Nothing about his phone.
I heard something yesterday about Meyer's attorney making a statement to the effect that Meyer did not delete anything from his phone in connection with this investigation, but I am not seeing any real reporting on it. Anybody else see that? Unfortunately, I think it is the same lawyer who offered up the rotten statement that Meyer and Smith were "two great men who fell on the sword for a University they dearly love."
|08/31/2018 - 11:46am||To hell with Notre Dame.
To hell with Notre Dame.
Why send the Michigan Marching Band, to those kinds of conditions? Seriously; I regard it as a favor to the fans of important and historical rivals, that Michigan pays (a considerable amount) to arrange for the MMB to travel to away games and entertain the attendees in rival stadiums. Why bother, if the treatment is like this?
(btw; I am all in favor of more band road trips. I like it when other teams bring their bands; I think it should be almost-automatic that both teams' bands play at every Conference game.)
Those guys down in South Bend aren't even in our Conference.
|08/30/2018 - 5:08pm||Wait; what is the quote from…||
Wait; what is the quote from the Report, and what is the quote from Wadsworth to that effect?
|08/30/2018 - 4:01pm||I really think that the…||
I really think that the handling of the phone is the big unanswered question, and Wadsworth mentioned the phone on a very short list of things that he found intolerable (the others being more vague like Meyers' memory issues).