Do something isn't an answer. Michigan is gonna lose some recruits whether they fire Harbaugh or not. And they're not going to hire Campbell tomorrow. Things were so much worse transitioning from Rich Rod to Hoke and that's not what cratered the program (cratered for other reasons). Michigan waited a long time for Harbaugh too. No one's season is done yet, but people want this all wrapped up yesterday.

So you're saying that Gattis is now beginning on year 3 of his apprenticeship, and will be Michigan's HC in 2022?

I do not like you're thoughts on this matter.

Yup. 'IT'S BEEN 3 YEARS!' (X coach at another school) DID Y IN 2 YEARS! UNACCEPTABLE!

No

He's the head coach at Morgan State, not a respected NFL coordinator (which would be the equivalent of what Juwan was in the NBA). 

No, he's not the same. 

That's where NIL might help level the playing field for us. 

Not even on 3*. You need a better hit rate on 4*. Which is easier to do, theoretically. But Michigan has constantly been missing on some of the higher-rated recruits they've gotten. (And it's not just that they all suck. Some are starters. But very very few if any ever seem to take the next step towards consistently great to elite. Example: Charbonnet was a high-end 4* and he didn't even see the field this year! He wasn't a bad back last year so wtf happened man?)

Hoke pulled in back to back top 10 classes before the demise began in the early 2014 season. Harbaugh pulled in top 10 and 15 classes. We didn't get consistent top 10 results on the field either time. 

Michigan can mostly recruit itself. Unless the AD allows us to go full bag men (which I doubt they would), any coach we bring in probably recruits around that same level Hoke and Harbaugh did. NIL should help to improve upon that though

We need a guy who can instill the culture and Xs and Os to actually capitalize on the talent

Which may be why Franklin is really hiring them...

If we just needed a great recruiter we could have just kept Hoke.

I agree with everything you said. People need to ask themselves why last year we had a 5 star QB, a stable of highly recruited WR’s and 5 offensive linemen that either have or will be drafted into the NFL and yet we scored 14 regulation points against Army, 14 against Wisconsin, 10 against Iowa, 21 against Penn State and only 19 against OSU for 3 quarters. Compared to recruiting Starz, our talent level and how other teams light up the scoreboard that’s a joke. 

In fact, I believe there was a 9 play stretch in the 3rd quarter of the OSU game that consisted of 7 incomplete passes, a negative or zero run play and a sack. Sorry, that’s not a recruiting problem. 

I find this constant lamenting about "bagmen" to be frustrating and tiring.  If you have evidence that a program is paying players, present that evidence to the NCAA and get them punished.  If you don't have evidence, it's unbecoming to blame your failures on someone else's cheating.

FWIW, even Michigan recruitniks, who have heard plenty of scuttlebut about various players being paid over the years, say that they hear nothing or very little about OSU being involved.  OSU lost out on a chance for a national championship due to a bowl ban because several players traded memorabilia for tattoos.  They were star players; if they were getting paid, why were they reduced to swapping their future memories for ink?  If Chase Young got paid, why did he serve a suspension for borrowing (or being gifted, if you insist he lied and there was a coverup) a measly couple of grand?

It's deeply insulting to the players.  If you think you've got what it takes to play in the NFL, what kind of a dumb ass do you need to be to take money from a booster or an agent to go to a certain school?  If you get caught, that's it, you're done; good luck having a career in the NFL with no college coaching, no college experience, and no college tape.

Bagmen were a big part of Southern Football culture for a long time, and probably still are to some extent.  But there has never been a book or an article or a credible allegation that Ohio State had some regular, institutionalized culture of bribing players to go play there, at any point in their history.  There is fame and money to be made publishing a story, supported by evidence, about a major college football team paying recruits; do you really think that multiple journalists haven't looked over the years?  

Ewers is one of the handful of athletes in the history of 247 Sports to earn a 1.000 rating.  He was committed to Texas.  If he took money for that commitment, what do you think happened when he changed his mind?  Had he carefully held onto it, not spending a penny for months, and just politely returned it?  The booster that paid him was just like, "Good luck, have fun?" When he switched to Ohio State, I assume you believe that a QB, who is currently considered a can't miss NFL draft pick, decided to pocket  ten or a hundred grand to go to OSU-- it's not possible that he just saw what Day has done with Haskins and Fields, and the historically great WR room that Hartline has assembled, and decided that he'd make tens or hundreds of millions of dollars more in the long run by maximizing his development in college?  

I have no doubt that once they're playing, some OSU players get a thousand dollar handshake now and then, or a sweet deal on a loaner car, or whatever.  If they're caught, they should be punished; but that doesn't give them a recruiting advantage.  No one's going to a college because they heard rumors that every now and then an alumni will give them a few bucks.  You're talking about paying players large, life-changing amounts of money to get them to commit, which apparently not a single player has ever wanted to talk about afterwards?  That no other teams have ferreted out and ratted on them for?

If Urban Meyer was at Michigan, he'd be recruiting top 5 classes most years.  He'd have a Florida pipeline, and a Texas pipeline, and an Ohio pipeline, and he'd get four of the top five players in Michigan every year.  And none of that would be because he's paying players; it would be because young men want to win, they want to improve, and they want to get drafted, and Meyer has an impeccable record of doing all of that.

It's not academics either.  That argument has been debunked with facts too many times to count, yet it still gets trotted out.  Michigan doesn't have higher admission standards than Ohio State; Wisconsin and Northwestern are the only two teams in the conference that have admission policies that are meaningfully above the minimum required by the Big10.  Michigan's players aren't there to "play school" any more than they are at Ohio State-- Michigan has the same B.S. general studies-ish major that they strongly encourage players to take, the same required study halls, the same academic counseling.  In fact, Ohio State had a higher APR than Michigan did last year.  (And the whole "play school" idiocy is really unfortunate; Cardale Jones was an A student in high school, he graduated from OSU with good grades, and on the day he made that infamous tweet, he was frustrated that he got a bad grade-- a 'B'.)

Michigan hired two horrible coaches in a row.  They then hired a great coach, who (I strongly believe) went on psychiatric medication and became a different person, someone who is not at all a good program builder or head coach.  Don't blame the results on other schools being sordid and cheating.  Hire a better head coach and start kicking their ass.