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Signgate The Eighth: Oh It's Like That Comment Count

Brian November 7th, 2023 at 3:56 PM

Every accusation is a confession. I probably don't need to inform anyone reading this blog that Larry Lage has an AP article out on Michigan opponents colluding to decipher their signs:

ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) — A former employee at a Big Ten football program said Monday it was his job to steal signs and he was given details from multiple conference schools before his team played Michigan to compile a spreadsheet of play-calling signals used by the Wolverines last year.

He spoke with The Associated Press on condition of anonymity, fearing the disclosures could impact his coaching career.

The employee said he shared with Michigan the documents, which showed the Wolverines’ signs and corresponding plays, after his school faced the Jim Harbaugh-led program in 2022.

The person also passed along screenshots of text-message exchanges with staffers from a handful of Big Ten football teams with Michigan, giving the program proof that other conference teams were colluding to steal signs from the Wolverines.

John Bacon tweeted that Rutgers and OSU gave Purdue Michigan's signs before the Big Ten title game, which is likely just the tip of the iceberg. Richard Johnson and Pat Forde had some additional details and confirmation in an article late last night:

A former Big Ten coach at a rival school in recent days forwarded to the Wolverines copies of two single-page documents listing Michigan’s deciphered signals, three sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed to SI. …

A source familiar with the contents of the documents verified their authenticity. The two Michigan signal breakdowns include sections devoted to deciphering the boards held up by staffers with images on them; lengthy lists describing hand signals for running plays; slightly shorter lists for passing plays; and separate lists describing signals for play-action passes. A Michigan source confirmed that the signals described corresponded to their 2022 play calls.

This article goes on to state that "schools sharing signal information is not uncommon in college football, multiple sources in the coaching profession told SI, nor is it against NCAA rules," but… I mean… isn't it?

Whichever programs end up getting named here are executing the exact same sin that Michigan is accused of: in-person scouting of future opponents. In Michigan's case it's randos with iPhones in the stands. In the other Big Ten schools' case, it's employees of Big Ten athletic departments handing over processed intelligence on Michigan's signals to future opponents of Michigan. Kind of sounds like the latter is worse, but drawing fine distinctions is beside the point. If a Stalions guy in the stands is illegal in-person scouting of an opponent, someone literally on the sideline of a Big Ten program forwarding information on to future Michigan opponents is the same thing. And if it's "not uncommon" it's hardly the greatest scandal in the history of the Big Ten.

Also arguing against the disproportionate response: all these teams had Michigan's signals. Even if Stalions had some advantage from his scheme, Michigan's opponents had the same. Michigan still beat these teams. Whatever competitive advantage Stalions provided was negligible. The appropriate thing to do is give Stalions a show cause, fine Michigan for the trouble, institute helmet radios as soon as possible, and move on with our lives.

[After THE JUMP: silly season]

I don't believe you. This is from a WSJ article and contradicts expectations virtually everywhere else:

A person close to the Big Ten has said the conference will defer to the NCAA, which is conducting its own investigation. Such probes often take months if not years.

FWIW.

I also don't believe you. Sometimes a journalist will look at the rules and write some stuff that is technically accurate but has no basis in reality, and, well:

The Big Ten Sportsmanship Policy spells out a wide range of potential penalties aside from a suspension of Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh, according to documents obtained by CBS Sports, as the sign-stealing scandal remains ongoing.

The penalties range from a reprimand to probation to a possible TV ban. Other potential penalties include withholding TV and bowl game revenue from the university. As part of those penalties laid out in Rule 19.5 of the sportsmanship policy, a "staff member" can be suspended.

The TV conference isn't going to suspend the TV team, and there's been no suggestion it would other than this article. Dodd is just listing out all the penalties in the document. It is a deeply funny thing to think about, though.

Why I don't believe the first I don't believe you. McMurphy:

So if Michigan has until Wednesday to respond it seems like Thursday is the earliest possible moment something could be handed down.

Containment shield intact. Per Dan Wetzel and Ross Dellenger, the NCAA has notified the Big Ten that there is nothing linking Harbaugh to Stalion's actions:

The NCAA’s findings do not connect the in-person scouting and recording of opponents’ sidelines to Harbaugh, sources say, an absence of evidence essential to a potential lawsuit from the school and coach against the league.

Over the weekend, the school was given a period of several days in which to mount a response to the conference before penalties, if any, are levied, sources with knowledge of the discussions say. A resolution around the issue is expected by the end of this week and as soon as Wednesday.

The rest of the article is mostly a rehash but we do get another confirmation that the lawsuits will flow if the Big Ten tries to suspend Harbaugh, and the authors note that the coach responsibility bylaw the NCAA recently passed is not a Big Ten policy:

Any suspension of Harbaugh is expected to be met with legal action from both the coach and school, multiple sources tell Yahoo Sports. School officials have held ongoing conversations around legal action tied to a significant fact in the case — that there is no documented evidence that Harbaugh was aware of Stalions’ NCAA rule-breaking.

While under NCAA bylaws head coaches are presumed responsible for a staff member’s actions, the Big Ten sportsmanship policy does not feature such a clause.

The policy holds “institutions,” not head coaches, as “responsible for, and therefore, may be held accountable for, the actions of its employees, coaches, student-athletes, band, spirit squads, mascot(s), general student body and any other individual or group of individuals over whom or which it maintains some level of authority.”

The Lage article should further clarify that there would be no reason to believe that Stalions was exceptionally adept at sign stealing because of his off-book activities. Multiple Big Ten teams were conspiring to get all of Michigan's signals over the course of the season. Even if Stalions did have a team totally downloaded, it wouldn't seem weird to a Michigan program that is facing teams that have totally downloaded them.

OSU: better at this than we are. Dellenger also has an article stating that the NCAA says there is no evidence of a connection between Ryan Day and the sign-stealing probe.

I don't think this changes much. OSU sources were the ones who had this a month before it broke and it is 95% likely that OSU, in some nebulous capacity, is the source of this. That could be someone getting wind of the Stalions Army and shoving it over to a booster, or it could go all the way up the chain but get executed with good opsec.

As the last post noted, if random guys on the internet know what the firm's name is it will come out sooner or later, and then the world will go over it with a fine-toothed comb.

Anybody want a vacuum? This WSJ article is about Connor Stalions being weird:

Apparently the vacuum thing didn't go so well. Stalions ended up with a seller rating of 2.8 on Amazon.

This article is useful in a few ways. One: seems like the bank of mom and dad theory is at least partially correct if Stalions is buying a half-million dollar house on a 55k salary. It also further confirms that Stalions was the kind of guy who would embark on a ridiculously time-consuming plot with little regard to rules or the eventual payoff of that plot. It seems like that was his whole life.

How are we almost ten years into Harbaugh's tenure at Michigan and there is apparently no vetting being done on these hires? There is no way a proper check of who this guy is would not have turned up buckets of red flags.

Comments

mtzlblk

November 7th, 2023 at 5:38 PM ^

I would stop listening to the spittle-flecked arguments of the "Fire Ward Now!" crowd on here. 

They go off half-cocked at a moment's notice, where someone guesses at something....they all assume it is true and take it as gospel as far as knowing what goes on inside the AD's office. Really all they do is out themselves as people that have never been in a leadership position their entire lives, quite likely residing at the opposite end of the spectrum. They loutishly clamor for meaningless, loud reactions, rash decisions and ill-advised big public gesticulating and posturing, while that isn't and never has been the Michigan way. This "scandal" is the epitome of that whole dynamic, somehow trying to lay this whole thing at Warde's feet.....hardly.

As an example, the WSJ last week reported something to the effect of "Michigan pulls Harbaugh's contract extension" and that group instantly assumed it was true and that Warde was cowing to B1G/public pressure and seeking to drive Jim from Ann Arbor, yet a mere few days later it turns out that in actuality they had most certainly not done so, quite the opposite. In fact, they were trying to add clauses/portions that would better protect and support him from all the recent mess. WSJ and the trolls were 180 degrees wrong, but it didn't stop several "Fire Warde!" posts going up full of inaccuracies and imagined skullduggery against Harbaugh.

You can look at that pay cut from a lot of angles......remember there were large and vocal contingents of M fans yelling "Fire Jim!" at that time....where are they now? I suspect some of the very same people. That pay cut may have been a way to KEEP Jim despite the obviously lacking results at the time. The point being....no one is sure of anything. 

No one really knows why the contract extension has taken so long....if there was public info with regard to that, someone like JUB or his ilk would have divulged it by now, but there just isn't anything but conjecture and misinformation. 

I would currently grade Warde at about an A-/B+, with the only real ding against him being the handling of the Pearson situation and not being transparent about the process while letting it drag on for so long. That said, there were highly likely multiple factors behind the scenes that caused it that were out of his control. I just don't know.

Now....people want Harbaugh's contract extension done, I get it, but consider:

  • No one has any idea why it isn't complete, for all we know they are trying to work out a deal that keeps him here until he stops coaching. Who knows?
  • Harbaugh might be drawing it out for whatever reason. Love him or hate him, you can't deny he is an irascible SOB on a good day and I highly doubt he has forgotten the mouth-breathers calling for his head a few short years ago, nor the cut in pay he took to stay here. Every possibility he wants to put his pliers on every last tooth during the process now that he holds all the cards. That's Jim.
  • There may be any one of 10,000 other things going on...the truth is no one knows, good or bad.
  • Also, being a good AD means not rolling over for anything/everything anyway, so at any rate, he is just doing his job.

Why isn't Warde yelling and shouting back at the mob through this whole fiasco? Because it would be dumb, that's why. Scream at the B1G commissioner while urging him to follow a tempered, reasonable path and adhere to due process? Dumb. Publicly bicker with biased journalists and 10M twitterfucks, or circle with your lawyers, write letters, gather evidence, form a strategy, follow best practices/rules about not commenting on an ongoing investigation, then......when ready, start playing whatever cards you have strategically and press the leverage you have as much as possible by releasing it slowly and at the most opportune time. Do you want to win a twitter fight with 10 million tarbabies (spoiler alert, you won't), or navigate to a place where M is exonerated and not penalized? Sorry, I think he and Michigan went the better route here. 

I do not at all get the impression Warde hates Harbaugh, though highly likely there has been friction. As an employee, Harbaugh can be a real pain in the ass, and that is true nearly everywhere he has coached. I would not relish having the role of being his boss. It is a tough position to be in, but Warde is more than just Jim's boss.

He has done lots of good in supporting some of the basketball team travails, brought in a pretty decent baseball coach, lots of good things for non-revenue sports (just retained the women's basketball coach), etc. 

Look around a bit for yourself and don't just take inflamed, uninformed, mob-oriented posts from people with a strange axe to grind with Warde. Until they can actually substantiate anything, they are just blowing feces and guessing at what is going on.

UMinSF

November 7th, 2023 at 6:58 PM ^

I agree with this. AFAIK Stalions had a military background,, no criminal record and not much other work history. You can't vet "weird"  or "too obsessed with job ambition."

OTOH, JH should probably either take better care in hiring, or let someone else have input in hiring decisions for low-level staffers.

 

 

08mms

November 8th, 2023 at 9:25 AM ^

Has anyone who actually knew him chimed in on what he was like in person?  I’ve got a mental image of him based upon the manifesto and hindsight review and all of that, but it’s also possible in person he didn’t come off quite as intense and unbalanced.

robpollard

November 7th, 2023 at 4:14 PM ^

Why are they researching & publishing about his property purchases and his vacuum sales business? The guy broke some football rules and thus had to resign from his football job. He has been properly shamed (and then some) for his over the top football actions. Why is it good reporting or useful to know how much his house is or about the non-football business he runs?

There have been politicians elected to public office who I haven't known a 10th about. It's gross and is starting to make me worried for his safety.

Jim HarBo

November 7th, 2023 at 6:47 PM ^

Whlie I'm 100% on board with that this was not a team sponsored event, to question how a $55k employee owns a home seemingly beyond his means is not like the absolute most horrid thing ever to dive into.  

As far as his safety, it is actually public record, so it would have to be the addition of a *really lazy* nutcase that wants to harm him that has caused your concern to go up for his well being.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 7th, 2023 at 4:15 PM ^

Purdue was within rules in accepting that help from OSU and Rutgers.  And gosh darn it, I will argue that all day long.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore the context and history of 11.6.1.  And a cursory skimming of that rule should not be the foundation upon which punishing Purdue or trying them in the court of public opinion is built.  Anything else would be sloppy and unjust!  

EDIT: my first version of this was too cute.  My point is that Michigan didn't break a rule either (possibly save Stalion's trip to the CMU sideline).  

J. Redux

November 7th, 2023 at 4:19 PM ^

It's probably legal under NCAA rules.  What Stalions did may be also.

It's definitely unsportsmanlike, so if other teams are going to try to use the sportsmanship penalty to punish Harbaugh for something he appears to have had nothing to do with and which created no substantive advantage, well, turnabout is fair play.

Tex_Ind_Blue

November 7th, 2023 at 5:14 PM ^

The problem is NOT them having the signals, the problem is them pearl-clutching about the safety and security of the players, and the integrity of the game. 

I hope this incident puts the spotlight on how idiotic it is to dissect the difference between iPhone-captured footage from the stands by someone vis-a-vis coaches deciphering and then sharing that information with other coaches. 

MBloGlue

November 8th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^

Erik_in_Dayton, I'd be curious to hear your feedback my comment further down looking about whether Purdue may have inadvertently violated the "Countable Coach" limits under the NCAA rules. It may be a bit of a stretch, but it seems more on point to me than trying to shoehorn sign stealing into an advance scouting rule designed for an entirely different purpose. 

ontblue1

November 7th, 2023 at 4:15 PM ^

Your last point is the one that sticks out to me as UM's biggest shortcoming. There have been more than enough questionable hires that a check could have caught. Shemy comes immediately to mind.

oriental andrew

November 7th, 2023 at 5:04 PM ^

How are we almost ten years into Harbaugh's tenure at Michigan and there is apparently no vetting being done on these hires? There is no way a proper check of who this guy is would not have turned up buckets of red flags.

Point: A deep search into anyone's background can turn up this stuff.

Counterpoint: literally no HR function is going to be spending the time and effort to do so on a low-level $55k/year hire. They contract out to third parties like HireRight and Sterling to run standard checks, depending on the role and level (e.g., criminal, education, job history, credit, driving record, etc.). You can also pay for social media checks, but that typically covers the "standard" platforms (fb, LinkedIn, insta, tiktok, twitter, etc.). 

Completely agree that Shemy was an utter failure and it's likely that they knew, but ignored it. The Stalions stuff is more opaque and doesn't seem like you're going to find most, if not all, of this stuff with standard checks. 

Source: work in HR