Spring Football Bits Defense: Thorns and Storms Comment Count

Seth
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chomp chomp chomp chomp. [Fuller]

This is the defense section: I had to split these up for length which means the offense bits are here.

So Let’s Start With More on the Offense

Yeah so the McElwain presser on Monday opened up a bunch of questions about who’s in charge of the offense. Let’s clear that up with a bit of Bo knowledge and some CK2 references, because everybody who covers Michigan football must understand those at least.

I think Harbaugh told us how he’s going to do it when he said Bo didn’t have an OC, and everybody—or at least everybody who didn’t buy HTTV 2015—missed the reference. Indeed, when Harbaugh was playing here, Bo had a defensive coordinator (Gary Moeller) and more or less allowed Mo to run his duchy. But there was no like position on offense. Instead Bo had a “quarterbacks coach,” Jerry Hanlon, Bo’s right hand man going back to their Miami days. Hanlon coordinated the offensive staff, and called the plays from the box, but never got the title. They also had two offensive-minded former head coaches on staff in Alex Agase and Elliot Uzelac, not to mention Bo was an offensive (line) coach at heart. With all of those vassals with kingship claims, hierarchy was less important than council positions.

That’s how I think it’s going to work now. Pep is your Hanlon—he’s got his job and if he cares what you call it he won’t say so publicly. McElwain is Uzelac—he’ll contribute his thoughts while getting back to position coaching and waiting for an OC job. Warinner is Agase, the guy we know all too well from a long career on opposite sidelines, here because he became available and we need him. They’re not Pep’s vassals because Harbaugh holds the Duke of O title himself, but Pep is the Marshall, and leads the armies.

There. Now the offensive staff makes sense, or if it doesn’t make sense at least now you know it’s only because you don’t know enough about Bo and CK2, and you need to rectify that.

Oh, and Sam’s apologizing to anyone he sees for not being hype enough on Joe Milton, with the why at the link($).

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Defense in General

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Really would like to know how solving your problems with aggression works in baseball [Patrick Barron]

The thing about Michigan’s defense is they return all but two starters from an excellent unit, and the coordinator has put out three top five defenses in three years—one with Boston College talent—so sunshine is to be expected. At places used to such riches they’ve learned to ask more about strategies for using the varied abilities they’ve collected. We haven’t learned to do this yet, so this is going to be mostly chatter about backup battles.

What we want to hear: Now that some of Dr. Blitz’s weapons are coming into their second and third years, how are they being incorporated into the defense?

What we’re hearing: This week new linebackers coach Al Washington met with the press. Washington played at BC and later coached (running backs and special teams) with Don Brown there. He was part of Fickell’s staff at Cincy that gave Michigan fits by going to a 3-4/4-3 under front and gap-switching a ton. He has been put in charge of Brown’s Swiss army knife position: the Vipers, SAMs, Edges, and whatnot, right when third year Brown hybrids like Josh Uche and Khaleke Hudson are coming into their own. Adam, our presser guy, has a one-week-old so he wasn’t there to ask our questions, and now I’ve got a beef with the Michigan press corps for wasting this opportunity for knife talk to instead lob questions about Mt. Rushmore. But we got one thing out of it:

He said this might be his fastest defense ever. What have you seen of the talent level out there?

“Man, I’ll tell you what, I made the comparison of somebody dropping a steak in a tank of piranhas. You see the quarterback drop back and it’s like…man, it’s overwhelming. So, speed is lightning quick, they’re physical, and they’re smart. That, to me, is probably the biggest thing.

“These guys get it. This is a lot of—I think he had two new starters last year. Ten new starters, excuse me. So, a lot of these kids are coming back and they know it. They have a mastery of it and so that just makes them even faster. They’re tough. They take pride in what they do. It’s a great group. A special group.”

Piranhas it is.

What it means: If a Minnesota Twins fan complains ask him what state Ron Gardenhire collects a check in.

[After the JUMP: The Piranhas]

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Defensive Line

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OTHER GUYS! [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: OTHER than Dwumfour hype, can you… I said other than… okay give me the Dwum… okay is “Big Dwummie” spelled with a ‘y’ or ‘ie’? Now about the new guys?

What we’re hearing: Let’s get the obligatory Dwumfour talk out of the way first. Sam on Michigan Insider this week (start at about 3:30) asked how you can trust this much hype, and postulated the more people saying it the more likely it’s true, and with Dwumfour EVERYBODY’s saying it.

I don’t just mean insiders; they’re going on the record. Isaiah Hole talked to Cesar Ruiz, Khaleke Hudson, and Rashan Gary, and discovered the secret to getting something out of them about the RS freshmen:

“We've got this guy, Jersey kid, Michael Dwumfour,” third-year defensive end Rashan Gary said. “Fast off the ball with a get-off just like Mo. It's ridiculous. But you're going to see it when time comes. Having him, having Lawrence, having young guys like Deron, stepping in able to play. Having a couple other people trying at three-tech. So it's cool. Everything's rolling around, everybody's looking smooth.”

Did you catch that? “Deron.” That’s our first mention this spring of Deron Irving-Bey! Dude, I’m emailing umbig11 right now and trying the same thing:

Seth: How real is the Dwumfour stuff? Is he really almost as good as Mo or is this some sort of cover for concern over the young guys?

umbig11: They have so much more depth that names are all over the place. The usual suspects are with the ones, but the younger guys are getting a ton of reps. Jeter seems to be holding his own and they are not able to push him around this year. his weight is way up over 300.

Jeter too! Dude! Yo Steve Lorenz, can you try this with your people?($)

3. Lightly-talked about DL are impressing too

One source I recently spoke to said that while the usual suspects are getting the pub up front (Dwumfour, Solomon, Gary, Winovich, etc.), some of the other guys up front on the defensive side are having solid springs as well. Phillip Paea was mentioned twice. Donovan Jeter twice as well. Reuben Jones was brought up too as having some good practices.

Orion Sang of the Free Press, try asking Mattison who’s having the best spring:

“Carlo is doing really well,” Mattison said. “Another guy that is really starting to show signs is Phillip Paea. Phillip is really starting to come on. And Aubrey is Aubrey. Aubrey’s going to be a very talented player, I already consider him one of the guys.”

Paye has made significant strides in the weight room. According to Mattison, the sophomore is now “250-some” pounds, up from 230, his weight when he arrived in Ann Arbor.

“He’s a lot stronger, and he hasn’t lost any quickness at all,” Mattison said. “He’s playing like a guy that’s been here before, not like a freshman. And I’m really looking for good things out of him. He has a summer in that weight room with these guys, watch out. I think we’re going to find someone that you’re really going to be excited about.”

Okay we found the secret. Reverse Dwumcology FTW!

Also Kemp, Paye, and Uche met with the media on Monday and gave us a bunch of things about the guys behind the Dudes. Kemp confirmed he’s playing some DT as well as Anchor. Kwity says they coaches this year trust him to go out there more—he had to be situational last year and that led to Winovich playing a lot of ironman. They got asked about the offensive line a lot because of course.

What it means: Dwumfour is going to start so unless everybody is trying to set us up for a rough awakening in September, we’re going to have plenty of proof. Sam did back off from 2017 Hurst to 2016 Hurst, which lol.

It’s great to hear about the three freshmen finally without asking about them specifically. The lack of anything before this, the Marshall talk, and having Kemp play 3-tech some still makes me think the kids are not quite ready yet and the starters are going to have to take the lion’s share of snaps. But with Mone, Solomon, and Dwumfour plus the option of going 3-3-5 they don’t really have to dip into the second string (Marshall and Kemp) that often.

Oh and in case you’re worried the excitement over Dwumfour has cooled:

“Dwumfour, he’s so quick off the football,” Mattison said. “He has a lot of Mo Hurst in him. There’s times when you see him come off the ball and you just go, ‘Whoa, that’s really good.’ And he’s a little bit thicker and a little bit bigger.”

It hasn’t.

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Linebackers

What we want to hear: Depth chart?

What we’re hearing:

What it means: Nothing new to report. At last check Singleton was backing up Bush, and Ross and Gil will take the WLB battle into fall. They all look good. 

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Viper and SAM

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We had to put the safeties and murderblood safeties in different pens [Eric Upchurch]

What we want to hear: Uuuuu-che! Uuuuuuu-che! Uuuuuuuuuuu-che!

What we’re hearing: Josh Uche is a triple beneficiary of the staff changes this offseason: he looks more linebacker-sized after a winter of Herbert, and Al Washington and grad assistant Allen Gant are helping him refine his pass rush. After moving between DE and SAM he asked and was granted an offseason to focus on becoming a three-down lineman at the latter.

On Khaleke, Lorenz says he’s “probably the most hype-y player I continue to hear about.”

What it means: Ignore the fluff; I find it more meaningful that Uche was one of the guys they made available to the press—a thing I’ve started to notice happening with players they think are going to play a bigger role this year.

If you were wondering what Al Washington (who has coached RBs, DL, and some LBs)’s role was going to be on a staff that already has Mattison and Brown, it’s this hybridized group. There seem to be two real depth charts in there: the hybrid DE/LBs (Furbush, Uche) and Viper (Hudson, Glasgow). Jordan Anthony is with this group too, though I’m not sure which sub group.

When Brown talks about this being the fastest defense he’s ever coached, I bet you it’s Devin Bush, for one, he’s thinking about, but second is Hudson.

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Safety

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Keep that up and you’ll be a consul one day, Roman. [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear: Who’s the third guy?

What we’re hearing: The starters from last year have won their jobs back; Kinnel right away and Metellus after a challenge. It certainly seems that way from the Zordich presser:

“I would say that Tyree [Kinnel] and Josh [Metellus] have taken a step forward. They’re making many more plays out of the post. They’re doing a much better job in the run game. That was some of our weaknesses last year, pass plays in the post with the post safety. Now these guys are able—they’re figuring it out. They’re making plays on the ball in the post and they’re helping, like I said, in the run game.”

And I got some confirmation from a parent who said I can share anything positive:

First, anybody thinking Metellus was in trouble can forget about it. He was the best safety--and it was not close. In fact, his coverage ability really improved and actually played CB on Sat---(mainly due to so many injuries at CB)

…and then wrote nothing negative at all. Parents.

Jaylen Kelly-Powell has apparently passed Woods as well, though that might be an effect of the recent practices focusing more on coverage—JKP’s strong suit—rather than laying the proverbial Ol’ J’Marick on people. Also Zorich confirmed Casey Hughes (the Utah transfer), is coming in at safety. So your distribution of long and lanky thus far:

  • · Safety/Nickel: Sammy Faustin, Casey Hughes (the Utah transfer)
  • · Cornerback: Myles Sims, Gemon Green
  • · Unknown: German Green, Vincent Gray

I bet you Gray (6’2/180) is a cornerback and Green (6’2/168) they try at safety.

What it means: It’s not a surprise that the starters retained their jobs because they were pretty good last year except for inch-perfect throws by Giovanni Rescigno (and sigh, Penn State) and the Unforgiveable Drop.

The third guy is Jaylen Kelly-Powell. Yay that they have one.

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Cornerback

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Big one [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear: Just be honest, okay?

What we’re hearing: Honesty, from the guy who spent all last spring telling us Hill and Long were not getting it done. Zordich gave a presser last Friday in which he praised the work of Long and Ambry Thomas, and was kind of hard on Lavert Hill (hip) and Benjamin St-Juste (pulled hamstring) for being out with injuries.

But that is something you touched on last year about—I don’t want to generalize and say it was a toughness issue but is that a little bit?

“Well…if you want to go back to that, yes, in my opinion, yes it is. You’ve got an opportunity to get better or even just to find out what is wrong, because you’re not going to find out by not participating. So, it’s frustrating for us as coaches, but at the same time, those other guys, you’re getting to see them blossom, which is really good for us. We’re creating depth.”

Is St. Juste in that mix there too?

“No, Benjamin is not. He’s been sidelined as well. It’s very unfortunate for him. He’s a very gifted athlete, but he has missed all of the bowl prep, now he’s missed all of spring. He’s got to find a way to get out there if he wants to compete for his job.”

Zordich probably gets upset with root beers for being out of stock when he goes to Blimpy’s. IBC was a good root beer for us last year, but Boylan’s is in that fridge competing and let me tell you, when my mouth is burning because those fries are too hot, Boylan’s is earning my trust now.

What it means: Zordich mentioned a walk-on (Hunter Reynolds) after Long, Watson, Thomas and Sims, which means we’re at the end of the current depth chart. Hill’s absence has given Ambry Thomas the chance to pass Watson, who wasn’t so bad last year. If St-Juste isn’t ready to go, Michigan can probably get by with that four-man rotation while working in snaps for whichever freshman (Sims, most likely) doesn’t redshirt.

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Program in General

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less Derek and more Donovan if you know what I mean [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear: Whatever was wrong last year it’s fixed now. And by wrong we mean other than the whole team was really young and Hoke left you no offensive line and you failed at recruiting one your first few years.

What we’re hearing: This is coming second-hand from a former player and I’m sharing it because it’s echoing a sentiment that a lot of people have shared this year:

Overall—and I know posters will go nuts on this—but this was the best spring sessions I have ever witnessed. I really think the influx of the new coaches, and most importantly Jim being Jim was the key to a huge successful spring campaign. What I mean about JH is that he seemed super focused on just coaching football—no extra stuff—just coaching. And I think that spread to both both Warinner and McElwain.

What it means: There’s a sign on Harbaugh’s desk this year that reads “Just coach football” and there’s a strong narrative emanating from Schembechler that his focus has shifted back to the program instead of positioning it (and himself) nationally/globally. I believe that’s being framed so positively by those around the program because that’s their perspective, but that both are worthwhile pursuits. For this year I think it’s a good thing, since the headlines did their jobs and there were some important things being overlooked on the home front.

He’s brought in a lot of young former players—all guys we’ve covered extensively in the latest iteration of MGoBlog—as grad assistants. They think they recruited the best in the business for strength conditioning in Ben Herbert plus his assistants Sean Lockwood, Kiero Small, Tank Wright, and Justin Tress (yes the Plockis are still around). And everyone from football ops to the players’ moms are raving about Abigail O’Connor, the nutritionist. In CK2 terms, he’s going into “See the realm prosper” mode and the realm is happy about this.

Comments

stephenrjking

April 18th, 2018 at 5:42 PM ^

The "big picture" is a lot more than just what the defense is doing. There is the state of the players, the refs, the score, the game situation, clock management. He has to know the entire state of the team. Andy Reid, for example, has had a notoriously hard time with clock management. Why? He's been busy calling the plays. '

One of the guys on the coach's film room this past post season (Gundy, maybe?) discussed why he eventually had to give up playcalling. And how it helped him. Because there is a lot going on that is outside of who is calling plays. 

The head coach doesn't have to be involved in the defensive playcalls to need to be attentive to what's going on while the defense is on the field. 

JeepinBen

April 18th, 2018 at 4:47 PM ^

It showed to me (watched 6/8 so far, life's been busy) that the playcalling collaboration was a bigger deal than emphasized. Basically, all the offensive coaches are on the radio, talking about what they want to do. There was a long post TD that Pep said "I like play X" (I don't remember). Harbaugh interjected "aren't we too close to the goal line?" Pep said "We're on what the 33?" Harbaugh said OK, they called Play X, scored a TD, Harbaugh kept saying "great call Pep".

It was the same with running plays except Drevno called the actual play. So they'll say "How about a heavy run right", "sounds good" "Call play Y"

If anything it sounds like this year Pep may dial up the actual plays for both running and passing, but in general it's a collaboration.

1VaBlue1

April 19th, 2018 at 8:47 AM ^

That was the Gentry TD up the seam against MD - and it was a great play call!  I loved that Harbaugh was tuned in enough to question it, but had enough trust to go with it.  Also overheard in an earlier episode, against Air Force, Harbaugh said "Drev, we need to crack them open with the run game".  Editing happened, but the next scene was Higdon going for a 30-some yd TD trot down the left sideline.  He's involved, if nothing else.

MGoStrength

April 20th, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^

I also recall Higdon and Evans I think after some successful play against OSU that it was a season in the making. While I'm glad they're game planning for OSU all year, it would have been nice to have some of those plays against MSU and Wiscy.

mgobleu

April 18th, 2018 at 5:11 PM ^

I don't have a whole lot of reasons why; just from what I've read and maybe even a little because of the All Or Nothing thing, but Pep's stock has raised for me a bit. I was ready to see the guy fired pretty early on last year, so he's got a lot to prove yet, but what happened on offense last year is very little fault of the guys calling the plays. The OL was downright bad, certain people around here who I won't name were probably ahead of the curve being alarmed about it before the season, and it got two of our QBs hurt at a time when the young WRs needed consistency. Anyway, I think this is the year the receivers really start to fly and consistently contribute, that is IF we have average-to-good quarterback play from a guy that gets protected well enough to play a full season.

SkyPanther

April 18th, 2018 at 8:03 PM ^

I had doubts about Pep Hamilton last year too, maybe I still do. But the caliber of offensive football minds now coaching should expose Pep Hamilton's abilities, for the good or the bad. The support Jim Harbaugh now has all around him should compensate for any weak link in the chain, whichever coach the weakness orginates from. The weak links, if any, will stand out pretty clearly.

EGD

April 19th, 2018 at 12:55 AM ^

I thought the Amazon series showed Hamilton to be an outstanding coach. He was assertive but not argumentative. Always seemed to pick the right spots to teach and communicate. Had the respect of the players and other coaches. Fiery, but cerebral and methodical. Level-headed and calm during stressful situations. I realize those kinds of shows can give a distorted impression of reality sometimes, but the treatment of Pep seemed genuine. I’d be surprised if he’s not a HC somewhere within the next couple years.

Rose Bowl

April 19th, 2018 at 1:35 AM ^

I wouldn't go that far.  We need real results like a top 10 offense, beat OSU and MSU (of course) this year.  Pep was rough at Indy, Cleveland and Mich so far.  He's got a great opportunity this year with Shea.

TrueBlue2003

April 19th, 2018 at 2:04 AM ^

for a head coach to have and while they're good for a coordinator too, I would think it matters a lot for a coordinator to put the right plays in the playbook and call the right plays.  Jury's out on that from this staff.

garde

April 19th, 2018 at 9:23 AM ^

I have little to no doubt that Pep is an extraoridnary person who is genuine, campassionate, and intelligent. While its a TV show, and as a TV producer I know how easy it is to take footage and craft a persona and storyline for a character, but the one thing that jumped out to me in the Amazon series was that Pep, Harbaugh, and Drevno all seemed too nice. Maybe that was done in post-production, maybe they knew the cameras were on them, etc..who knows. But I wanted to see more fire from them (see Don Brown). These are kids afterall, and while they might be talented as hell, they still need some tough parenting on the field and in practice. Again, its just a TV series, but if the coaches are that chill around their players, then I expect their players to adopt those same personality traits on the field. 

It doesn't mean they have to be a Bobby Knight, but Don Brown is just a stellar coach and a perfect example. He is intense and demanding, but its quite clear that when he gets amped up he is either trying to motivate them or get them to wake up. He never seems to dress down a player or pull a power trip on his players...its just about doing your best each and every play. And most importantly, the players KNOW that. I never got that sense from the offense and its staff while watching the series. 

EGD

April 19th, 2018 at 10:44 AM ^

I thought Drevno came across as the guy who might have been too nice. He was very reserved and deferential at points and almost seemed like he was maybe not going at the same speed as some of the other coaches. But Hamilton and Harbaugh I thought were both very impressive. Don Brown and Mattison too, but I almost feel like comparing the defensive coaches to the offensive staff is apples & oranges.

It's Always Marcia

April 21st, 2018 at 7:54 AM ^

Jim Harbaugh cheesy? You can bet that was him putting his best tv foot forward. No more tv cameras following him around please.

This is the Jim Harbaugh that got a crap 49er team to 3 straight NFC Championships, and 1 play away from winning a Super Bowl. See any cheese there?

 

Carcajou

April 19th, 2018 at 10:51 AM ^

The coaches were/are fine. The defense was/will be excellent (for the most part).  One would assume the RBs should be good, the WRs better.

We're mostly where we were last year: question marks at QB and the OL. Won't know if that has really improved until September. It's going to be a long four and a half months.

It's Always Marcia

April 21st, 2018 at 7:41 AM ^

It's not clear from watching the real games that all the coaches were fine. Greg Frey's move of having Ulizio start was strange. Ulizio is not even mentioned anymore, even in the 2 deep. And the passing game was dysfunctional all year. But oh yeah, we will be told once more that Pep Hamilton had nothing to do with it. 

 

I just have a question: If Jedd Fisch had still been coaching the passing game last year, would it have looked so dysfunctional?  Yes? Really?

Hail-Storm

April 18th, 2018 at 4:38 PM ^

I was going in as a pessimist. Snake bitten with offensive line issues, and sometimes questionable QB play and just dropping games we need to find a way to win.  Every other year I some how convince myself that Michigan is ready to 15-0, only to fall short.  I told myself :not this year, not this time."  Then I go and read these previews. I am weak for that koolaide. 

funkywolve

April 18th, 2018 at 7:15 PM ^

I get what you're saying but I was pretty impressed with Evans against OSU last year. He had some really nice moves and I thought he ran with a lot of toughness. Thought there were a number of plays where he picked up extra yards when it appeared the play was over.

funkifyfl

April 18th, 2018 at 4:39 PM ^

I loved all the national publicity Harbaugh garnered for himself and the program last year. But, now it's time to get down to business and do the work. You know, like surfing MGoBlog...

RedRum

April 18th, 2018 at 4:48 PM ^

Mo Hurst behind him? Chase.... I cannot wait to play ND!!!!!! 

 

It's only April.... I need to get ready this offseason for football spectating. This was a great read... I don't understand the CK2 stuff

Seth

April 18th, 2018 at 5:01 PM ^

Dang it I forgot special teams and I had some things about that Al Washington is helping them with coverage. Partridge is de facto special teams coordinator and really doing as much of that as safety work. Last year they had to be very vanilla because they had so many young players learning their basic roles. In 2016 they had a more experienced team and a few older players who weren't going to see the field otherwise and could focus on doing some cute things. The punt blocking in 2016 was by design and they were close to breaking a lot of returns for touchdowns. Last year they weren't as close because they had so many first-time starters and freshmen behind them and the focus was getting everybody ready to play if they had to. Woods and Glasgow are going to be standouts. The kick returners right now are Ambry Thomas and O'Maury Samuels. DPJ returns punts. Thomas is doing a better job of getting upfield. I got nothing on field goal kicking, but Brad Robbins looks really good and looked really good in practice last year. The only time he's ever shanked a punt was in front of a live audience. Maybe that's nerves maybe that was a true freshman and maybe that's a thing.

m1jjb00

April 18th, 2018 at 5:24 PM ^

The RETURNING safeties on the 10th ranked S&P D?

Back up defensive ends?

Nickel?  Actually, this is a question I have.  Why not hill on the slot and then Watson or Thomas at CB?

Seth

April 18th, 2018 at 6:28 PM ^

Ambry Thomas is the nickel, but when JKP comes in as a dimeback it's also called nickel. The difference is too schematic to break down but I'll try anyway:

Nickel corner

In 2016 when sometimes they would move Peppers to WLB and have Jourdan Lewis fold inside with Jeremy Clark/Brandon Watson and Channing Stribling outside. Or 2017 when Brandon Watson came in.

Nickel safety

In 2016 when Tyree Kinnel came on the field as essentially a dimeback in place of a defensive lineman.

m1jjb00

April 19th, 2018 at 10:50 AM ^

Thomas, Lewis, fine, no opinion.

You other post below though gives me hope that now with more experience, along with giving our own QBs a different look in practice, that we can run some more complicated things in the secondary.  I love the mano-a-mano defense gerenally, but we're/it is not good at generating interceptions, so change ups and fear-of-God is a good thing.

I get more optimistic everyday, and with the sports trudge that's the next 4 months, it's what I need.

Thanks

Seth

April 18th, 2018 at 9:09 PM ^

Mesh concept. OSU's OC loves them. They're the basis of Air Raid offenses because it's so hard to stop with man or zone once you've practiced enough against both. Michigan used them to good effect against Purdue last year too. MSU makes them the centerpiece of their passing games when they have young QBs. Wisconsin uses it a ton. Part of the reason the mesh is so effective is they don't call offensive PI very often at any level, and with mesh the whole idea is you're interfering with a trail defender's path to the ball. Part of the reason it was so effective for Ohio State against us despite their receivers not being very well-coached is there's not a lot to learn if you're going to run it against mostly man coverage: it's really just a footrace then and they have really fast athletes. When you run a mesh concept against man-to-man it's all about creating separation so that your defender gets caught in the wash. I really remember OSU getting two good ones on it, and one was a pick that ought to have been called. They were scared of running it in the first half until they got a sense of what Brown was going to do against them. In 2016 he was activating the safeties into flat zones like a bubble 3 zone, but having the corners plat trap, which looks like m2m off the snap. Throwing mesh into that is asking for interceptions and in fact OSU was lucky in 2016 when Barrett threw at Dymonte Thomas and Wormley batted it. You can't run it against zone if you don't know what you're doing however because you have to be able to identify where the zones are and sit between them. I thought Ohio State tried but their receivers don't know their craft and didn't stop and that led to at least one Pick 6.