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01/11/2019 - 3:21pm This is very well done.

This is very well done.

01/11/2019 - 3:20pm Needed for completeness in…

Needed for completeness in this thread:

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01/11/2019 - 10:50am I'm going to reconstruct it…

I'm going to reconstruct it at my earliest possible moment. It needs to be said.

01/11/2019 - 10:49am Upvoted by OP.

Upvoted by OP.

01/11/2019 - 10:43am Welp, I just had a glorious…

Welp, I just had a glorious post swallowed. Neg me to Bolivia fam.

01/08/2019 - 11:45am Welp, this comment has aged…

Welp, this comment has aged well!

01/08/2019 - 11:43am The other day I almost didn…

The other day I almost didn't wear some M gear because I didn't want to catch shit for the UF game (I live in FL). Then I remembered that our BBall team is an ABSOLUTE MONSTER and I doubled up on my UM gear.

 

I'll still follow footbaw stuff because obviously, but this team is something super special. 

01/07/2019 - 12:41pm Dude was and is as nasty as…

Dude was and is as nasty as they come. Makes you cringe that he's on your team sometimes but I guess that's what it takes to be the best.

01/04/2019 - 9:30am I did not think Matthews…

I did not think Matthews shot 5/10--I thought his percentage would be much lower, he had a good game even though it didn't seem like it to me in real time. 

 

What stuck out to me last night was that this team is still figuring out the offensive pecking order--something Brian and the guys have talked about a lot already. But, while I still think this team needs to figure out that order for the big games, the fact that Charles, Poole, Teske, and Iggy can each score points in bunches when necessary will keep this team from getting too far down in the scoring dept. Very exciting season already and the best still to come.

01/03/2019 - 10:40am Not just the timing, but…

Not just the timing, but more importantly the quality! On TKA, Ira was saying how the NFL coaching carousel is still ongoing throughout the playoffs. Moreover, that carousel usually stops before the NCAA ride gets going in earnest. Considering JH's strong ties to the NFL, I expect he will wait to see how the pro hires shake out before making moves. Unless he's already doing his NCAA research and he finds someone he likes.

To that point, just looking at S&P offensive rankings and their OCs at programs for which UM would be a step up, do any of these names make sense of get the Board excited (school and Offense S&P rank in parentheses): Derek Dooley (Mizzou, 14); Tim Albin/Scott Isphording (Ohio, 9); Brian Wright (Toledo, 17); Mike Sanford Jr. (Utah St., 18); Zak Hill (Boise St., 19); Des Kitchings/George McDonald (NC St., 31).

This should probably go in the OC thread, but the board is disorganized anyway, so I'll add to the pile.

01/03/2019 - 10:16am First, to say what can and…

First, to say what can and will happen, is a fools errand.  The fact that Harbaugh reveres Bo is irrelevant, as is Bo’s record.  Bo’s era was very different than today.  Harbaugh is attempting to bring Michigan out of its modern historic low, to become  the elite.  That’s not easy considering a) where Michigan was recently; and b) where Michigan has been historically.  

Excellent point, I agree. The comparisons to Bo are more of a thought exercise and interesting because it's more accurate than most thought it would have been when JH was hired. But, nevertheless, this is a narrative I would expect to be peddled by ESPN, not the thoughtful and even-minded folks here (just to be clear, this is snark).

I think many disgruntled fans will do to remember that if you strip away all the old history, the tradition, the stadium, etc., Michigan is not and has only ever occasionally been elite.  Stop acting like we were anything but a quality team, which, every few seasons, produced a contender. Those seasons, even under Bo, Mo and Carr, were bracketed by pretty good seasons, but nothing special.

Winning an NC is hard, especially when you’ve got to go through OSU to do it.  Our biggest rival is elite, and has been for a very long time, and most importantly, was while Michigan was floundering.  Why is that so hard to accept?  It’s the reality of the task that Harbaugh took on.  How long will it take? Nobody knows, but we’re back winning at a rate that has us firmly in the top 85% of the P5.  Was Michigan — but for a few seasons — ever really better than that?

This is a great point and one that the fanbase (myself included) finds hard to accept. But, I think the age of the rational and thoughtful sports fan is slowly dissipating this. IOW, I think intelligent UM fans are starting to come to terms with the fact that reaching the Clemson, Bama, OSU level of program is incredibly hard and requires sacrifices some are not comfortable making.

However, with the amount of resources poured into the program, I think people rightfully want a perennial contender. The program (through its relatively ethical approach) and the school (due to weather, recruiting territory, and academic rigor), make it hard to accomplish this, but not impossible. UM and JH specifically talk about being the best while having the highest standards. It's the challenge the program and more generally, the school try to espouse. This may be a bit to rah-rah homerist, but I digress.  

To me, everything (on every team) comes down to the Offensive Line.  I know many in here refused to look back for answers to what’s going on now and discount any explanation that deals with RR or Hoke.  But, it’s yet been 2 full recruiting and developmental cycles since RR recruited ZERO OLineman.  Two cycles is 10 years, especially for OL, during that time Michigan’s pipeline TOTALLY BROKE DOWN.  At the same time, MSU, OSU, Wisconsin, Alabama, Clemson etc. went cruising on like OL machines.

This is one point I disagree with. I think we are past talking about RR from a recruiting standpoint, unless you want to contextualize the program's level--i.e. the program was in rough shape from 2008-2014 with one lucky blip in 2011. There's a post somewhere on this site that goes through the specifics of OL recruiting, but I think going back farther than the 2015 class (Newsome, Runyan, Ulizio) is a mistake. Newsome's loss was brutal, but one injury should not have such a dramatic effect. Nevertheless, in JH's first bona fide class (2016), he snagged Onwenu and Bredeson and those guys are obviously starters performing reasonably well. Same can be said for Ruiz the following year. Any shortcomings on the OL at this point fall at the feet of recruiting, coaching, and really a combination of both. We will likely feel some pain due to the weak 2018 class at some point, but if we are going to be consistent with our assessment, that shouldn't happen until the 2020 season at the earliest, and more importantly, should be able to recover with stronger 2019 and subsequent classes.

01/02/2019 - 9:17pm You're absolutely correct.

You're absolutely correct.

 

We also need to have these things in our toolkit so that when our initial plan doesn't work, we have alternatives. Moreover, people are clamoring for this because next year's offense has a lot of pieces in place and that is what looks like the best way to use them. 

01/02/2019 - 9:15pm Continue drinking and stay…

Continue drinking and stay up!!

01/02/2019 - 9:12pm I agree with the premise…

I agree with the premise that the coaches generally know what they're doing and they're doing things (particularly things than aggravate us couch coaches) for reasons.

 

But to address your argument specifically, this is what the term 'pass to setup the run' means. If your team's strengths lie on the outside and at QB, you make that your primary offense and then the defense adjusts by taking guys out of the box. UM could then trot out 11 personnel and only have to win fewer matchups to run effectively. 

 

One thing that stands out to me was the narrative during the winning streak that many of our slow starts eventually paid dividends once the defense wore down later in the game. If this is true (I'm far too lazy at this time of night to dig up data but assume for the moment), I think that speaks to the exact frustration we're talking about in this thread--that a lot of our schemes (both O and D) are predicated on having the more talented 'Joes'. It works well enough for 3/4 of our matchups, but this team needs to rep some alternative schemes throughout the season to be ready for more difficult matchups.

01/02/2019 - 9:00pm I agree with what you're…

I agree with what you're saying, but that's not much of an opinion. You just stated facts for the most part, which is good because this board has been completely off the rails lately. And I don't just mean the last 2 weeks or even the last 2 months, more like the last 2 years. It's become too hard to find the good user-generated content. But, that's a post for another day/thread.

 

The only subjective things you said are 1) this is a top 10 program and 2) you'd give Harbaugh a "B". I'd agree with both of those statements as well, except I'd probably give JH a B+. I'd give an A- for beating OSU and/or winning the B1G, and an A for making the NCG. A+++++ and [insert stan marsh splooge img] for winning the damn thing.

 

Where this gets slightly dicier IMO is when you consider the ceiling of this program and what should the expectations be. Personally, I don't think the ceiling for this program is much higher than it currently is. In other words, I don't think a coach better than JH is walking through that door ATM. Recruiting in Michigan is too hard and the standards for academics and ethics (relatively speaking, we're not the squeaky clean program some think we are but we are still playing by more rules than most) are too high. Furthermore, some would argue that with JH being a HC with a top 5 salary and a large budget for assistants that the expectation is to be on the level with Bama, Clemson, OSU, OU, etc. but for the same aforementioned reasons, I don't think that's happening without a drastic change to the college football (N.B. not necessarily NCAA) system. 

01/02/2019 - 8:47pm "Good hit Jedd!!"

"Good hit Jedd!!"

01/02/2019 - 4:44pm TBF, I said mostly. I think…

TBF, I said mostly. I think he could reasonably win 1-3 B1G Championships, not win a semifinal, and I think I'd consider that a success, but if that comes to pass, it probably won't feel like it.

01/02/2019 - 4:42pm I agree with that. I think…

I agree with that. I think mid 3rd is most likely.

01/02/2019 - 4:32pm 2)  JH and staff are great…

2)  JH and staff are great teachers of fundamentals.  Marginal players often become Solid players.  Huge gaffes are much less common than they were under Brady Hoke.  What disturbs me is that Good or Very Good players do not become Great players.  Great players do not become Superstars (although I appreciate him, I consider Rashan Gary a disappointment).  We desperately need people to make big plays.  I wonder if the emphasis on "doing your job" is taken to such an extent that people in this system are just not free enough to make big plays?

 

Good point, with the data points of Gary, Jabrill, and Peters as top 100 guys who didn't perform up to expectations sticking out. Guys like Chase also show that the program can develop not top 100 guys into premier performers. I'd say David Long performed as well as I expected though as one counter example. 

 

Going forward, it will be interesting to see if this holds for Bredeson, DPJ, Ruiz, Onwenu, and Ambry because those guys look like they're ready to perform at an all conference level or better (all top 100 recruits). There's still time for Luigi, but it's getting late early for him. Unfortunately, lots of top 100 transfers here like Solomon, Singleton, Asiasi, Cole, etc. (can't say if this is more or less than other programs though).

 

3)  The weakness of Wisconsin and MSU this year makes our season look even worse.

 

I don't agree. 10-2/10-3 is a very good season and while I agree that MSU was down this year, you can only play the teams in front of you. Wisconsin was still a pretty good team (top 25 on S&P) and PSU was good this year too. This also may be a new normal for MSU.

 

4)  We have a good QB and good receivers.  Our O Line has improved.  At this point, our offensive issues look increasingly schematic.  I like how the offense is simpler this year, but we still have too many plays that require multiple things to go right vs a quick hitting offense that uses misdirection to quickly get people the ball in space.

 

This is the single biggest issue/story going into the offseason. JH and Co. have to figure out a way to get more out of an offense that has 1) good and experienced QBs (plural), 2) experience everywhere but especially at OL and WR, and 3) should have relatively good depth everywhere. RB is a question mark, but a good RB should be enough to get this unit into GREAT territory, which is where they need to be in order to compete with OSU.

01/02/2019 - 4:05pm Congrats to the young man…

Congrats to the young man and I look forward to seeing him on Sundays. Any idea on expected draft position?

12/29/2018 - 3:48pm I agree with you. I could…

I agree with you. I could call my buddies and get the whatever. I want Brian to dissect the problems--personnel or coaching, both? What's the fix? Are those on the fixes on the horizon? Are they possible? That's why I'm here. Well, that and posting Ace Ventura gifs.

12/29/2018 - 3:44pm This may be true, but when…

This may be true, but when JH came to town, this was still a huge improvement. If JH stays another 5 years and mostly replicates the first 5, it will still be a positive period in the program's history. Yes, it will be underachieving considering the expectations coming in, but still a big improvement and stabilizing time.

12/19/2018 - 9:26am Hill and Johnson merit the …

Hill and Johnson merit the 'Ace (NTA) Footbaw Dance'

 

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12/19/2018 - 9:07am Very happy for Devin! Total…

Very happy for Devin! Total rock on the field and is a legend for his actions at MSU this year. I hope and expect he goes in the first round and makes himself some money.

12/18/2018 - 4:33pm We were looking for:

 

We were looking for:

 

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12/18/2018 - 1:00pm It was a real pleasure to…

It was a real pleasure to watch Karan step up this year and put up gaudy numbers. I hope he has a great career and think he will make a solid pro. That he went over 1,000 yards on the year averaging over 100 yards per game is icing on the cake.

12/12/2018 - 3:21pm Littering and, littering and…

Littering and, littering and, littering and...

12/04/2018 - 6:57pm We've been waiting how many…

We've been waiting how many years to say this? 7-8?

12/04/2018 - 6:46pm Is there any chance of…

Is there any chance of flipping Dobbs? In state OT prospect in the top 50 and going to MSU over UM stinks.

12/02/2018 - 4:38pm I'm here for the tire fire,…

I'm here for the tire fire, and the flaming.

11/27/2018 - 12:05pm I disagree strongly. I want…

I disagree strongly. I want to play a hard schedule EVERY year. I understand every week can't be a difficult game and that those wins make the big games have higher stakes. But, the most memorable games are those against worthy opponents.

11/26/2018 - 4:43pm I also care about the bowl…

I also care about the bowl game. I'd love to see us take on anyone but UCF. If it's an SEC team, let's see how both UM and that conference stack up. If it's Washington or Texas (?), then it's a cool and unique matchup. 

11/26/2018 - 9:49am Thank you for posting this…

Thank you for posting this. Pushing back against some of the overzealous reaction stuff is important and necessary.

11/26/2018 - 9:46am We need a way to vote on OPs…

We need a way to vote on OPs on the Board. There is just too much shit and it would cut down on repeat OPs - generally speaking the worst problem.

11/25/2018 - 4:53pm Uh, what bigger name…

Uh, what bigger name programs did we beat? Oh you mean, big name programs (PSU, Wisconsin, MSU (?)). There's only one program in the conference that's a bigger name program than UM and that's OSU.

 

Also, Brian (maybe with the help of the Board if he so chooses) needs to figure out a way to get the short and stupid responses off the board. Some decent OPs are getting one word answers just trying to be first. Maybe voting or something. I probably shouldn't be posting anyway. 

 

Also, I'm still very sad.

11/20/2018 - 4:19pm I'll gladly take the layup…

I'll gladly take the layup. Things that happened in 1992:

  • Mall of America opens.
  • Cost of gas nationwide is $1.05/gallon.
  • Average home price is $122,500.
  • Gotti sentenced to life in prison.
  • First McDonald's opens in China (Beijing).
  • TWA declares bankruptcy.
  • Blue Jays beat the Braves in the WS.
  • Jordan beats the Blazers to win his second title in a row.
  • CDs pass cassettes as preferred medium for recorded music.
  • Carson hosts his last show.
  • Windows 3.1 released.
  • Natalie Cole's album Urforgettable wins best album Grammy.
  • Van Halen's Right Now video wins MTV best music video.
  • Silence of the Lambs won best picture, in a huge upset over Hot Shots!, Ski School, Drop Dead Fred, What About Bob, Naked Gun 2 1/2, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, and Hook .
11/20/2018 - 2:00pm For perspective, is this…

For perspective, is this what Clemson's current DL looked like as recruits? Better? Worse?

11/20/2018 - 1:58pm r/murderedbywords

r/murderedbywords

11/20/2018 - 11:53am "You zigged when you should…

"You zigged when you should've zagged on that play."

 

-Bobby Boucher

 

If UM goes against pattern and STARTS the game by throwing the ball all over the field, I will certainly be surprised and I bet OSU would be surprised too.

11/18/2018 - 5:55pm Maybe UM should contact the…

Maybe UM should contact the Colts about a corresponding banner.

11/18/2018 - 5:55pm Isn't that just called…

Isn't that just called entitlement fandom?

11/18/2018 - 5:54pm Ridiculous nature of the OP…

Ridiculous nature of the OP aside, I'm a huge advocate for home v. home unis in The Game. It would make it even more special from an aesthetic standpoint.

11/15/2018 - 1:19pm (No subject)

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11/14/2018 - 10:21am Can't be said enough. It…

Can't be said enough. It would look GREAT on TV.

11/14/2018 - 10:19am Both teams should wear home…

Both teams should wear home unis for The Game. Would look great on the tube.

11/13/2018 - 5:17pm I've been diving into this…

I've been diving into this stuff a bit more and I think you should consider adding home/away/neutral site data into your rankings (however you see fit). In my review, no teams in the top 10-12 teams had home losses, with the one exception being LSU vs. Bama. OU has the neutral site loss to Texas and that may be it IIRC. Teams should be heavily awarded for beating top 10 and top 25 on the road and heavily penalized for losing at home.

11/12/2018 - 9:21pm Was an out of state Frosh in…

Was an out of state Frosh in '04...

 

Not great [timing] Bob.

11/12/2018 - 9:19pm Game to watch this week is…

Game to watch this week is WVU @OK ST at 3:30pm. O/U is 87.5*!

 

*Made up number is made up.

11/12/2018 - 9:15pm I mean, handing off has been…

I mean, handing off has been working pretty well for Shea, Dylan, and Brandon. Hard to argue with that strategy.

11/12/2018 - 9:25am I'm gonna take this as a…

I'm gonna take this as a Gattaca reference. Go Jerome [Vincent], go!