OT: Snowboarding, picking it up in middle-age

Submitted by NittanyFan on February 26th, 2024 at 8:25 PM

2 topics started from me today, both OT.

Background: I'm in my early 40s, I'm in good shape for my age, 6-1 & a relatively low body-fat 180.  Despite living in northern climates most of my life, I've never snowboarded or been skiing in my life.  I skateboarded a little bit WAY back in the day (high school).  I screwed around with a friend on a surfboard a couple times back in 2022: that was a lot of paddling and a lot of "falling before standing."

Some friends are going to Mammoth Fri eve-Sun weekend after next and I'm invited to go along.  Anyway, my questions:

  • I've definitely signed up for lessons on Day 1 (Saturday) - should I sign up again for Sunday too, is multiple days beneficial?  (or just get a lift ticket and see how it goes?)
  • Are private lessons --- which of course are costlier, but I can afford it --- worth it?  Or being part of a group lesson sufficient?
  • How sore will I be after Day 1?  To the point that Day 2 could theoretically be a non-starter?  How steep is the learning curve?
  • Any other advice?

Thanks!

oriental andrew

February 27th, 2024 at 8:32 AM ^

Also try not to fall forward with your hands/arms extended. This is how wrists are broken. 

You're forearms will also be very sore afterward from pushing yourself up. So will you knees. 

Another of day of lessons will be helpful. It took my kids a few lessons to really get it. More instruction is always better than less. 

Watch "how to snowboard" videos by Malcolm Moore and Tommy Bennett on YouTube. They are great instructors and can help with some foundational things before you get on the slopes. 

M-jed

February 27th, 2024 at 11:44 AM ^

This is good advice. I would add on about lessons:

are you athletic and a quick learner? If yes, group lessons will be excruciatingly slow for you. They teach to the lowest common denominator.  If you want to get good quickly, get a private lesson.

if you have janky feet, the ski boots will kill you.  Go snowboarding.

I do both (learned to snowboard in middle age).  Snowboarding is fun but if i have to choose one, skiing is more fun overall. Flat terrain sucks as a snowboarder and strapping in and out are brutal on the hips if you’re not super flexible at our age (I’m more flexible than most and it got old quickly).

 

Hail-Storm

February 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM ^

Wear a helmet.  They are comfortable, hold your goggles in place, won't fall off when you fall backwards, and protects the ol noggin. 

I grew up skiing, but tried snowboarding a few times.  First few times without a helmet.  Remember falling backwards and my hat and goggles falling off as I hit my head and crawling up the hill to get them.

I'd also watch some youtube or tik tok videos of guys giving advice (I am your age and tried snowboarding well before both).  Some guy's random shorts come up on my youtube account where he gives people advice on the hill that are just starting out.  There is some advice in how to snowboard that you might not think of until you see it.  Then can try it out on the hill.

Group lessons may be slow. One on one, may be more expensive, but get you to up on the mountain quicker. 

Have fun. 

Blake Forum

February 27th, 2024 at 1:27 AM ^

As a veteran skier, this would also be my advice. There's this constant energy around "learning to snowboard" as if it's somehow inherently cooler or more fun or whatever. I mean, do it if you want. But there's no real question that skiing is easier for beginners and you'll be skiing under your own recognizance faster, which is what most people want

bluebyyou

February 27th, 2024 at 5:44 AM ^

I say it all depends. After I finished my education, and this goes back a bit, I took two years off and moved to Aspen where I skied almost every day from Thanksgiving to mid-April.  I had skied for six years before then and was a decent skier. I started skiing shortly after college graduation. 

I like lessons, particularly group lessons.  Obviously group lessons are a bit more generic than private lessons but I found them lots of fun and met lots of fun people.  In Aspen, they used to have inexpensive clinics in January  for local people who were advanced skiers.  I took weeks of them over the time I lived there and afterwards.  A good ski school will place you in a group consistent with your ability.  Some folks advance faster than others.

As for snowboarding and skiing, I have done both.  As an expert skier it took three days of lessons and lots of butt time on the snow to get the hang of snowboarding.  I snowboarded for a while but then went back to skiing, not that I didn't like snowboarding but it seemed like I had reached an ability peak which I never felt skiing.

Both of my kids started skiing at age three and before they were teenagers were excellent skiers.  They switched over to snowboarding for a couple of years but both went back to skiing.

Zone Left

February 27th, 2024 at 3:51 PM ^

Agree -- you can ski without falling constantly relatively quickly, but it seems harder to become "decent" whereas snowboarders really struggle to learn at first, but become "decent" faster.

I would define "decent" as very comfortable going down a blue run and challenging yourself a bit with easier black. 

Hail-Storm

February 27th, 2024 at 2:33 PM ^

As a skier, spending the day in snowboarding boots was like heaven.  So much more comfortable. But agree with a lot of what people are saying about skiing.  The parabolic skis have made learning to ski and turning so much easier. Snowboarding will take a longer time to get the hang of.  I think you can do bigger harder stuff quicker when you do get a feeling for snowbaording vs skiing. Either option will be fun.  Anectodaly, my wife was a new skiier, and I was a new snowboarder (I have skied a lot), and I fell a lot that day, and my wife was able to carve down the slope. She is not very athletic compared to me. 

ingozfatherwetrust

February 26th, 2024 at 8:31 PM ^

I recommend skiing instead: it’s easier to pick up by far. 
 

also, go to small ski resort nearby to get your legs under you. Do you really want to spend your entire trip by yourself falling on your ass?

stephenrjking

February 26th, 2024 at 9:00 PM ^

Second. Assuming you don’t have knees that are incapable of rotating your feet inward (that’s me!) the basic snowplow/pizza technique is pretty easy to pick up and provides a good base for getting down a lot of hills and keeping yourself in control. Snowboarding requires a number of techniques that are just a bit more challenging to pick up.

Either way, an extra day of lessons is definitely worthwhile. 

SteveInSD

February 27th, 2024 at 12:18 AM ^

This is spot on. 

I had to switch from skiing to boarding in my early 30s due to knee trouble.  First day is rough as you are catching edges constantly, and sometimes will go down hard.  Once you master a backside turn you progress very quickly and can fake your way through stuff much easier than you can on skis.

Good luck!

oHOWiHATEohioSTATE

February 26th, 2024 at 8:37 PM ^

I haven't done snowboarding, but I did a 4 hr surfing lesson in San Diego at 42 years old.  I was sore in places I didn't know I had muscle, but had I signed up for lessons the next day I think I could of managed. 

Gooseggs

February 26th, 2024 at 8:39 PM ^

Stick with snowboarding if you plan to do it again, not worth it if it’s a one time trip.

once you get the basics of snowboarding and get your balance under you it’s straightforward but you will still catch edges and wipe out occasionally. To get really good takes consistent practice, but once you get it, it stays w you.

also both your wrists and your butt will take a beating depending on which direction you fall. Don’t be too cautious though bc that will cause you to fall even more and will prevent you from getting going. Embrace the pain.

goblue2121

February 26th, 2024 at 8:40 PM ^

Be prepared to fall a lot and don't brace yourself with your arms when you do. A lesson may help, but it's a fairly steep learning curve before you feel comfortable.  If you're athletic and have good balance, you will probably be fine. You will be sore from using muscles and ligaments that you may not work out often.  

MgoHillbilly

February 26th, 2024 at 8:44 PM ^

Best of luck to you. I tried and can't tolerate my feet being locked in place relative to one another. Gave me a severe panic attack first (and last) time I tried it.

Regular skiing for me.

GoBlueDenver

February 26th, 2024 at 8:45 PM ^

Ski instead. Take a lesson and you’ll be ok for the rest of the weekend. 
 

Snowboarding is awful for the first 3ish times out, even for the best athletes. 
 

You’ll have a really sore ass and knees, as well as being really frustrated the whole time out if you snowboard. Forget trying to take a chairlift. Skiing is manageable, and you’ll actually be able to see some of the mountain. 
 


Signed,

Mt. Holly snowboard instructor in high school

funkifyfl

February 26th, 2024 at 8:50 PM ^

  • I've definitely signed up for lessons on Day 1 (Saturday) - should I sign up again for Sunday too, is multiple days beneficial?  (or just get a lift ticket and see how it goes?)
    • I'd recommend signing up for lessons both days if you can afford it. Maybe halfday on Sunday if that's an option, so you can save yourself some money, and considering you might be wrecked. But make no mistake, you'll be on the beginner hill still.
  • Are private lessons --- which of course are costlier, but I can afford it --- worth it?  Or being part of a group lesson sufficient?
    • I think group is fine, especially for day 1. You can almost always find someone willing to give a private lesson, but getting into the groups is harder (although that's for kids--I doubt the adult groups fill up as fast).
  • How sore will I be after Day 1?  To the point that Day 2 could theoretically be a non-starter?  How steep is the learning curve?
    • Hard to say. You will certainly be sore, and do wear padding on your ass/lower back. Getting into the hot tub and icing will help a lot, like any other activity.
  • Any other advice?
    • Below!

1. Wear a helmet.

2. Wear a helmet! Seriously. Everyone on the mountain, regardless of sport and experience, should absolutely wear one. Pay to rent if you have to.

3. Do your best to make sure your boots fit properly (understanding that this is all new to you). They should be pretty snug, and you don't want much extra room past your toes, or above them (a/k/a the toe box). There are a few keys to board setups, but the transfer of power from your body to the board is probably my single biggest one. With respect to boots that means not losing any power from your feet/legs to the boot. I own my own boots that have BOAs (ratchet wheels) instead of laces. A nice feature, but not necessary. But if your boots don't feel right, go back to the shop and tell them to give you another pair. It may be a size issue, or try another brand. It's sports footwear after all.

4. If your feet are hurting, loosen the laces/BOAs on your boots and ratchet down on the bindings (the binding is what connects your board to your boots). I wouldn't recommend "clicker" bindings to anyone doing serious riding, but for a beginner it's definitely an option and convenient.

5. Consider buying a pair of ski/snowboarding socks. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it makes a difference and worst case scenario, you now own a pair of technical, warm, and thin socks. Regardless, nothing goes in your boot but your socks (i.e., no snowpants, no baselayers--roll or hike 'em up).

6. Not sure what you have for ski gear, but layers and having water repellant outerwear are important. I'm a big baselayer guy, and if you can sneak away to a store or buy online you should go for it. Otherwise, some Under Armour or similar athletic wear will do. Key things are moisture wicking and warmth. If you decide to get your own, Hot Chillys are a great brand. Borrowing from friends is great to save money and have good gear.

7. Goggles--you don't need anything fancy for the beginner hill, but you'll likely want something, even if it's the $50 pair from the ski shop at the base.

8. Stay warm and dry, have fun. If you need a break, take a break. Get a bite to eat. Have a beer.

 

Happy to answer more questions. Just let me know and we can take it out of the thread, to spare the rest of MGoBlog lol!   

HenneManCrush

February 26th, 2024 at 8:54 PM ^

I have never skied, but I attempted to snowboard once at age 19. I was fairly athletic and a lean 5’9” and 140 pounds. I never even made it down the hill the first time.

After falling several times on the bunny hill, I figured, “If I’m going to fall anyway, I might as well do it on the actual hill.” I fell a LOT.

At one point, I finally got going with some speed, tried to turn, wiped, fell on my shoulder, and snapped my collarbone. Never made it past the halfway point of the slope. First and last time I tried to snowboard.

redjugador24

February 26th, 2024 at 9:06 PM ^

  • Make sure you have a board that fits you or is too big. Not too small.
  • Wear actual snowboarding boots. They are tapered at the heel and toe. - regular boots will make you catch your edge.
  • Stay away from icy runs to start out. Too powdery can be challenging too but much more forgiving if (when) you fall. 
  • It's impossible to learn without a little slope. Flat bunny hills are not ideal on a snowboard. You don't have to bomb the hill, keep your weight back and fall "uphill" as you learn.
  • This will sound dumb but If you drink, a round or 2 in the lodge beforehand may loosen you up a bit and make it easier for you. Have seen that be the case with many people. 
  • There is no shame in telling the lift operator its your first time on a chair lift. Getting off the lift can be tricky until you get the hang of it. Don't let your board catch underneath!

 

907_UM Nanook

February 27th, 2024 at 10:28 AM ^

Waded thru the other threads to see some advice on the type of terrain. Spot on redjugador24, when learning to board you need to be on a hill with some intermediate-level grade. Bunny hill is too flat, you need some speed to keep your momentum thru turns. 

I'd recommend only start learning to board on a powder day. Your butt/wrists will thank you. Might be a little harder to turn, but you'll be able to string together 2 - 3 days, which is key if you want to get better quick. 

Turning is all about shifting weight. Get a slightly bigger board for a wider stance in powder. "Stay low, be powerful" is the key on most sports, especially boarding. Have fun, ride hard.

blueheron

February 26th, 2024 at 9:37 PM ^

Better to have skateboarded a little and surfed once than to never have done anything resembling snowboarding. Hard to say if that experience would make a difference, but it can't hurt.

I learned to snowboard relatively late in life (early 30s). Others have covered the bases pretty well. I'd say:

  • Protect your hands and wrists! Look online for proper falling technique. Make fists, try to spread the load across your whole forearm.
  • Get some tips on the best positions (in terms of degrees from horizontal) for your feet. There's a mix of art and science there.
  • I agree with others that at least one lesson would make sense. Snowboarding is pretty simple conceptually (stay low, keep track of your edges), but a guide would be helpful.

I found it easier than skiing, which I'd done for several years prior. After five or six outings I could take steeper hills on the board than I could on skis. Yeah, I was probably just a shitty skier.

sbeck04

February 26th, 2024 at 9:39 PM ^

Go with skiing.  Beyond the falling and catching edges it also takes a ton of energy to get around on a snowboard, plus constantly sitting/standing to get your boot in and out for the lifts.

If you stick with snowboarding you definitely want to find some padded shorts.

Hail-Storm

February 27th, 2024 at 2:47 PM ^

You will also be at a higher elevation than you may be used to.  Running out of breath on some of the long runs is common as you are both using a lot of new muscles to control the board, and also at a high elevation.  

Runs in Michigan are only 500 ft, with most much shorter. Out west or east, a run can be 3000 ft. Even in shape, it may take you a little off gaurd. 

BlueInGreenville

February 26th, 2024 at 9:41 PM ^

I'm 47, learned how to snowboard in my 20's, and went for the first time in 7 years in December.  I wasn't falling much, but was still almost paralyzed by day three (not joking).  Snowboarding is a young man's thing because you have to sit down to get the snowboard on, and standing up from that fully sitting position is really hard past a point in mid-life.  And if you're only an intermediate snowboarder, at least a few falls are inevitable, and it hurts.  I can't imagine learning in my 40's - I would have almost certainly broke something.

Yooper

February 26th, 2024 at 9:42 PM ^

I can’t imagine why someone your age would take up snow boarding. I admire your spirit but question your judgment. 
That said, get private lessons right away until you know what you are doing. Most importantly don’t try to keep up with your kids. 

reshp1

February 26th, 2024 at 9:46 PM ^

Are you set on snowboarding vs skiing? Snowboarding is extremely hard on the body, especially starting out. Skiing is generally easier to pick up within a day or two, and falls are usually less painful (slipping onto your side vs slamming forward or backwards). 

Blue Balls Afire

February 26th, 2024 at 9:54 PM ^

I too tried snowboarding for the first time in my 40's--in my case, late 40's.  I paid for an all-day beginner group lesson.  I was with about 5 other newbies and one instructor.  Due to the small size of our group, there were plenty of opportunities for one-on-one instruction.  The first couple hours were on the pre-bunny hill with the little kiddos (who'll soon by zipping by you while you're still trying to stand up).  After that we went to the actual bunny slope.  I fell down A LOT.  I was so sore by the end of the morning session that I (and the rest of the group) cut short the afternoon session.  I think if we hadn't stopped for lunch I wouldn't have gotten so stiff and sore, and falling down again wouldn't have hurt so much.  But that first tumble after having let my body cool down and tighten up felt like getting hit by a truck.  Being in your 40's is a lot different than being in your 20's.  It's harder to bounce back.  

A year later, I tried the same thing.  I paid for one all-day beginner group lesson.  I knew I hadn't retained much if anything from my one prior lesson.  This second instructor was a little better than the first and showed us some tips and tricks in addition to the basics.  He was more insightful than the first.  I still fell a lot, and again, my body could not take a second session on the slopes after lunch.  I was exhausted.

What I came away with though is that I should have gone out for the afternoon sessions and even tried to snowboard on my own the very next day.  I think I would have gained more ability by stacking my snowboarding efforts and, of course, having more of them.  The more time off between sessions, either for lunch or by waiting a year, means you're more likely to be starting over from scratch and not building on gains.  You lose a lot of hard-won progress.  I think by snowboarding as often as you can as soon as you can you'll see your skills develop exponentially. 

Fight through the pain and keep at it.  Hot soak afterward is a must.

 

Durham Blue

February 26th, 2024 at 9:54 PM ^

I never understood the draw to snowboarding.  I am a lifelong skier and I find it easier and more enjoyable, especially when falling down.

I love Mammoth Mtn.  Been there several times.  If you can catch a snow storm during your visit you will be knee or sometimes hip deep in powder.  That area is a snow magnet.

Mattinboots

February 26th, 2024 at 9:56 PM ^

Your knees can take a thrashing skiing, your butt and wrists can take a thrashing snowboarding. Either way you’re going to be sore.  But I would recommend skiing. You’ll be able to move on to blues by day two most likely.
 

There is nothing more painful than catching an edge unexpectedly on a snowboard. You’ll either catch the front edge and at best face plant hard or catch your back edge and at best give yourself a good whack of the noggin. At worst much worse things can happen. Wear a helmet!!!!

pdxblue

February 26th, 2024 at 10:06 PM ^

I started snowboarding at age 42 and loved it!    I was having the same debate.  It had been a long time since I skied (Mt Brighton!) and had moved to the Pacific NW.  Went for family lessons and had the same questions.   The instructor looked at me and said “If you wanna snowboard, then you should snowboard!”  Best advice!  Definitely be prepared to fall a lot on the first days and definitely do private lessons.  Look - if it’s absolutely terrible on day 1, you could switch to skiing on day 2. 
 

I actually find snowboarding easier on my knees than skiing.