sarto1g

March 28th, 2018 at 10:48 AM ^

Izzo had two years with a sure-fire first round pick and did absolutely nothing with him.  Bridges is built like a linebacker and would be a great stretch 4 but spent his time at MSU playing on the wing.  Wasted talent.  Tom Izzo is garbage

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PopeLando

March 28th, 2018 at 12:05 PM ^

Lol correct. Neither does Izzo have healthy or productive reactions to losing. I wouldn't be surprised if Sparty set an NCAA record for flagrant fouls next year

bacon1431

March 28th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^

I'm sure Ward knows he's pretty much a 3-4 year college player. But he's a very good one when he's on the floor. He's just upset that Izzo doesn't realize he's a good player. 

If Jackson and Ward leave, MSU will go from having the best depth at frontcourt that I can remember in recent CBB history, to incredibly thin. I know people made fun of Carter, but he and Goins were serviceable players. Izzo's problem was that he didn't realize that the players in front of them were far superior. 

ST3

March 28th, 2018 at 3:41 PM ^

He didn't even play in 13 games, I think. Izzo regularly plays two of these guys (Carter, Goins, Schilling, and Tillman) at the same time. It's like if Beilein played Davis and Teske together. It makes no sense, but MSU gets a lot of ORebs they can't do anything with. Tillman had 12 Rebs against Cuse, most of them offensive, and he scored 5 points. Tom coaches like the team with the most rebounds wins. That's often true, but he goes overboard to his team's detriment.

TrueBlue2003

March 28th, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^

and he probably will never be an NBA player.

He's a throwback post player type which the NBA doesn't have much use for (will clog the lane). He doesn't protect the rim well enough for the NBA, doesn't defend the perimeter/pick and roll (see anklebreak.gif) and doesn't have an outside shot.

His only hope of getting to the NBA is developing an outside shot, because he's stuck with his subpar length and athleticism (maybe that's the motivation for Europe - to play for a team that'll let him develop on outside game?).  And even then, he'd be a bench/role player at best.

He's not an NBA prospect right now and I don't think he's close.

 

LSAClassOf2000

March 28th, 2018 at 12:04 PM ^

You know, watching those two interact courtside, I honestly wondered about that - there always seemed to be some tension when those two were talking. If Ward leaves, I wonder if it is simply because of that, which wouldn't necessarily be the best reason to declare for the draft. It probably is a good reason to seek a transfer, if you were so inclined. 

umbig11

March 28th, 2018 at 5:23 PM ^

They stay under the radar. Speight and Pep do NOT like each other. Part of the reason Speight is gone and part of the reason Drevno is gone. I have a laundry list of details that I will not share on the open forum.

mgobrooklyn

March 29th, 2018 at 11:09 PM ^

Interesting that Pep was the last man standing when the dust settled, considering Harbaugh’s history with Drevno and how horribly all of the QBs regressed last year. It seems like all of this dysfunction started as soon as Fisch left and Pep came in. Hopefully he meshes better with the current staff and QB room.

BlueChip27

March 28th, 2018 at 10:53 AM ^

But at the same time I am skeptical.....he seems to play soft for a kid with his skills. Would love to see him banging inside instead of floating aorund the 3 point line.

I think Jackson will be back.....he seems to need more meat on his bones. But gaain I've heard that his parents were unhappy with his PT at the end of the year. Gotta beleive they could have beaten Syracuse with him on the floor in place of carter.

Mike Damone

March 28th, 2018 at 11:19 AM ^

and everything that went down there this year - not to mention the $ that come with being a top 5-7 lottery pick - I would be absolutely stunned if he stays.

I was surprised Miles stayed last year - but probably thought 70% chance he goes, 30% he stays for another year w Sparty.  At that time, in addition to potential development to move up his potential stock to a top 5 lottery pick, also felt like he had a chance to lead Sparty to a national championship.  JJJ is probably already a top 5-7 lottery pick, don't think he envisions the team being a national champion next year, and they are in the middle of the Nasser thing, with Izzo aging a year as each week goes on.

Whether he values education/likes college or not - will be completed shocked if he stays, given the overall situation.

bacon1431

March 28th, 2018 at 11:04 AM ^

JJJ will be more likely to put meat on his bones as a full time professional than in college. He won't turn 19 until the NBA season is about ready to start. He's younger than most one and dones. He's got so much potential. He's not going to develop under Izzo though. He doesn't utilize his best strengths and is horrible at his time management. 

Perkis-Size Me

March 28th, 2018 at 12:12 PM ^

If Jackson is smart he'll leave. I think he is actually graded higher on most draft boards than Bridges, and if there was going to be a year to come back because the following year was when MSU would have enough pieces to win it all, this past year was it. 

That being said, as much as I think Izzo is over the hill at this point in his career, he has an uncanny ability to convince players to come back who should by all rights high tail it off to the NBA and never look back. 

bklein09

March 28th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^

Is SpartanDawg an official term the university uses?

I know the term Michigan Man often rubs people the wrong way, and at times, it’s been downright misused, overused, etc.

But SpartanDawg? Really? With the “awg” spelling? I have so many questions. Where the hell did that come from, what does it mean, and who honestly thinks it’s a good idea?

If I was an alum of that school, I’d want that term to die in a fire immediately. But I’m guessing they love it over at RCMB.

ZooWolverine

March 28th, 2018 at 11:23 AM ^

I was intrigued since I hadn’t heard it before and did some google searches. I have answers for all your questions! Apparently it is a thing and specifically refers to defenders, especially in football. Connotes toughness. Gained prominence a few years ago, but Andre Risen claims he coined it 25 years ago. They just thought that was how you spell dog.

Perkis-Size Me

March 28th, 2018 at 11:11 AM ^

Hope coming back was worth it to you, Bridges. All you really got out of it was getting swept by Michigan and a whimpering first-round tourney exit by losing to literally the last team to make it in. 

 

ijohnb

March 28th, 2018 at 11:35 AM ^

can't blame you, but I don't really think those kids were getting coached by the end of the season.  At all.  If you could pick one player to put at the free throw line of that zone in all of college basketball, it could very likely be Miles Bridges.  The fact that Izzo did not do that tells me that he simply was not paying attention by the end of the season.

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ST3

March 28th, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^

It would be JJJ (or Bagley.) Izzo had the personnel to beat Syracuse by double digits. He blamed the shooting. He should have blamed himself for putting his players in the wrong positions to be effective.

Qmatic

March 28th, 2018 at 11:16 AM ^

He could find his way to be a Tobias Harris-type player or he could be a Josh Smith or Marvin Williams.

He'll have a couple contracts, probably finish with a career average of around 13 points per game, and he will always live with the fact that Michigan beat him 3 straight times at 3 different venues.