Victim's Dad lunges at Nassar in Court
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^
I may be wrong, but I thought even in protective custody there are times when prisoners sometimes mix. I dont remember if it's at meal time or in the yard. I don't think he will be completely isolated 24x7 but I may be wrong.
There have also been cases where people are supposed to be isolated and guards "accidentally" let another inmate past.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:40 AM ^
It's hard to take in cognitive dissoance required to say "Sexual assualt is bad" and "I hope that someone gets sexually assualted".
I'm not saying that's what you are saying but its a common attittude. Having never been the victim of a violent crime I could never tell a survivor what they should feel. Hell I would never tell anyone that they shouldn't feel rage or a desire for reciprocal justice when confronted with evil like this. But I think it speaks poorly of our society that the reaction to crimes like these is often barely disguised vigilantism.
February 2nd, 2018 at 12:22 PM ^
I understand what you're saying and assure you the irony isn't lost on me. I intentionally avoided any reference to Nassar potentially getting sexually assaulted in his upcoming prison sentence for this exact reason. Looking at it from the perspective of the prison guard (as I mentioned previously, I know one personally), if you know that a group of inmates are going to gang up on another inmate, how much risk are you willing to take on to protect that other inmate when you know the incomprehensibly bad things that inmate has done? Would you risk your physical well being to prevent a known child molestor from suffering an assault from his fellow inmates, even if you disagreed with their vigilante justice? These questions are rhetorical, but I don't think anything I mentioned speaks poorly of our society, but I'll acknowledge that that's just like, my opinion, man.
February 2nd, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^
I understand what you are saying. I was trying to speak generally because I didn't want to put words in your mouth.
Regarding your question of whether or not I would risk my safety or my life to protect Nassar or someone simliar the answer is almost certainly not. But that's one of the many reasons I would never be a CO.
I guess my overall point is that I can't judge the desire to see justice meted out but I think a civilized society of laws ought to recognize those baser instincts and move on from them.
February 2nd, 2018 at 2:38 PM ^
That's a pretty simplistic view. Shooting a random person is bad, shooting someone trying to murder a baby is good. Most importantly Nassar needs to be prevented from every doing this again, after that I personally don't see anything wrong with making this monster suffer as much as possible before he dies, I find it preferable.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:42 AM ^
Even in a solitary confinement situation, prisoners still have access to each other here and there. People like Nasser are usually in protective custody which is just a unit with other folks scared for their safety. Solitary is usually a punishment.
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:58 AM ^
What do you mean by handled?
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:49 AM ^
Welp, that made me tear-up. I can't say I would do anything different.
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:53 AM ^
No shit man. I have a five year old daughter and absolutely cannot comprehend the guilt, anger/rage, and desire for "justice" (whatever that may be) these parents are experiencing. Not to be cynical, but I don't want my daughter alone with any male other than myself and her grandpas.
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:55 AM ^
How sad is this...? I have a 14 year old daughter and actually thought to myself the other day, "well, I am glad she made it past the age where she is likely to be molested by some monster. Now we just need to worry about violent sexual assault the next, oh, 50-60 years or so..."
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:00 AM ^
Extraordinarily sad! My daughter recently started taking French lessons from a fantastic instructor who is a friend of a friend and is wonderful with her. But there is no damn way that I am not essentially standing outside the door listening to the lessons. And it isn't going to get easier as she gets older. I try to make sure she has a strong, caring male influence, but that isn't going to stop perverted/deranged fuckers.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:01 AM ^
mine is 16...
The even scarier part for my family is, my niece was a gymnast, and saw Nassar for injuries several times. Thankfully, my sister-in-law never left her alone with him, so she wasn't a victim, but the "what if's" have been running through my mind ever since this whole thing broke.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:17 AM ^
Your wife would not have even needed to leave them alone in this case. Nassar assaulted several girls while their parents were in the room.
I have two family members who were victims.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:15 AM ^
Mine is 10. She was talking with my wife and I last night about how she knows it's not ok to talk to strangers, etc and we ended up having a talk about how even the people you know who are "good people" may sometimes be bad (wife and I had Nassar in mind). We had a serious talk about how NOBODY has the right to touch your body, no matter if you know them or not, or how "good" you think they are.
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:50 AM ^
If those deputys had any kind of honor they would have let him get one shot in before they took him down.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:51 AM ^
February 2nd, 2018 at 11:27 AM ^
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:51 AM ^
This guy deserves the worst treatment imaginable. What scum. There is no messing around here. For some reason seeing this just drove it home even more for me. This has made me pause many times throughout these court proceedings to reexamine my role as a company leader and how this can never occur in any organization that I belong to
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:51 AM ^
2. I have to wonder how much of this was motivated by the idea of becoming a talk show sensation. He had to know that the judge would never grant him his request and that he wouldn’t get close enough to touch Nassar there. So why go through with the attempt anyway?
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:55 AM ^
I'm sure when he was looking at this demon that hurt his children, he was thinking, "How do I get on a talk show?"
Come on man. Point 1 is fine, stop right there.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:03 AM ^
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February 2nd, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:39 AM ^
WAY too much from his one sentence.
He was just saying his kids saw their dad standing up for them.
He didn't at all talk about some break down in society or the judicial system.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:45 AM ^
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:52 AM ^
We've just said we have a hard time blaming him for his reaction.
February 2nd, 2018 at 6:03 PM ^
February 2nd, 2018 at 2:41 PM ^
They looked pretty scared and horrified to me, not proud.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^
Those girls saw their dad step up for them and wanted to knock out this monster.
They'll recover from the 30-60 seconds he was getting cuffed.
If anything, this rage will help them realize even more how horrible this person is.
February 2nd, 2018 at 1:30 PM ^
Watch the video again and listen for the daughters voices. They were horrified Adding that on top of what already happened did not help.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:20 AM ^
Your first point touches on something I think everyone here who is a parent understands - the rage and guilt this man feels has to be incredible, and although the rational us knows you can't do it, the part of you that is a father totally gets it (or at least gets thinking about it).
Your second point is a really warped interpretation of this man's motivations, IMHO.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:37 AM ^
A fathers rage, man.
It's your job to protect your children at all costs. And when you see a man standing in front of you who has abused and sexually violated your own daughter, I know I'd want to beat him to death too. I doubt it was a publicity stunt. I think it was just a man who loved his daughter, lost control of reason (who could blame him?) and wanted Nassar to get what he deserved.
The cops were in the right to take him out of there in handcuffs. Law and order is in place for a reason, and while I'm sure there was a sliver of thought in those cop's minds where they wanted to just let him go, they've got a job to do. No matter how hard it may be.
February 2nd, 2018 at 11:28 AM ^
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:56 AM ^
It's a shame that no one was as protactive in protecting the victims as the deputies were in protecting Nassar from physical harm from that parent
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:57 AM ^
Those cops must hate their jobs now.
February 2nd, 2018 at 2:42 PM ^
I doubt it, they know they're stopping that Dad for his own sake to stop him from doing something that gets him sent to jail and away from his family.
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:57 AM ^
No one I know has been impacted by this scumbag's actions, yet I feel a sense of rage towards Nassar. I can only imagine what parents and relatives of those impacted feel.
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:58 AM ^
February 2nd, 2018 at 9:58 AM ^
Obviously, they won't let him get to Nassar, but he should have done this at a MSU Board meeting, where he might have gotten a couple licks in before the cops showed up.
February 2nd, 2018 at 11:17 AM ^
February 2nd, 2018 at 6:05 PM ^
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:00 AM ^
...has a full grasp of what her client has done and the impact that he has had on his victims and their families. Not after reading her comments yesterday:
--- "There were girls who had perfectly normal lives that never questioned the medical treatment done by Larry Nassar — and there is a legitimate medical treatment that involves touching sensitive areas and even penetrations," she said.
"Some of those girls, to be quite frank, they didn’t even know what to think because they never felt victimized. He was never inappropriate to them. And because of everything they’ve seen, they just feel like they must have been victimized. And I think that’s really unfortunate."
"I have a very hard time believing that my client could have even possibly assaulted that many people day in and day out in front of their parents, and that every single one of those things was a crime, but he was such a manipulator he got away with it," she added. "I just can’t imagine that’s true." ---
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:04 AM ^
I think the lawyer knows exactly what her client has done and the impact on the victims.
She's simply doing her job, to the best of her ability, which is what she's paid to do.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:06 AM ^
Weren't given in a sentencing hearing, it was an interview outside of any court proceedings. I don't think that victim shaming is part of the job description. If it is, let's hope that this father is that understanding.
February 2nd, 2018 at 10:08 AM ^
Exactly. And the interview was given well after he's been sentenced to die in prison, so it's not like her statement is going to sway any judge or jury to spare him anything of substance. It was a repulsive, ignorant statement.
February 2nd, 2018 at 11:34 AM ^
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February 2nd, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
these comments were made in an interview on a radio show, sentencing is done. There is no gain in blaming these victims and these comments certainly won't be entered as part of any defense to mitigate further punishment.
Maybe she wants to believe these comments, because it makes her feel better personally, seeing Nassar as only having sexually abused 30-40 young girls, instead of 150-200.
Having said that...if that truly is her motivation, defending her client...she might want to consider another approach, a more tactful approach, because I don't think this argument would have been anymore effective in the court room, than it was on this radio show.