December 1st, 2017 at 1:41 PM ^
Where's the beef?
December 1st, 2017 at 1:51 PM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 1:35 PM ^
Fisher. Fan base drove him away, no doubt.
December 1st, 2017 at 1:58 PM ^
Loyalty? Ehh. The days of employer and employee having loyalty- in both directions- are long over in FBS. It's a job. They pay you, you win, you get money, fame and more money. You lose you get fired. Coaches shouldn't be expected to treat the transaction any differently than schools do.
December 1st, 2017 at 8:04 PM ^
Congress and Coaching are the two jobs that jump out where you can fuck up big time and still wake up in the penthouse, possibly ready to call your realtor and tell them to look into something larger. In congress, a perceived failure is often considered, sometimes nominated as their party's head man. At worst, they get a lobbyist gig that pays 10x their current rate(on paper). Coaching you can get a 5 million dollar contract, work a couple years, get bought out for anywhere from a mil to 5 mil, take a couple years off and come back and repeat the process with inflation considered. There are, of course, your Charlie Weis's that are completely off the charts, but both jobs have become ridiculous as to pay for those that don't do so good.
December 1st, 2017 at 2:10 PM ^
He apparently has no loyalty to his players either.
According to reports, he just bailed and never told his players of his decision.
December 1st, 2017 at 2:18 PM ^
according to reports, players have threatened to transfer if he didn't leave...
https://www.tomahawknation.com/2017/12/1/16723758/jimbo-fisher-florida-…
December 1st, 2017 at 2:11 PM ^
If you want to attack coaches for a lack of loyalty, there are many better targets.
December 1st, 2017 at 1:35 PM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 1:37 PM ^
Well, he put out his Christmas tree for tomorrow's garbage pick up.
If that don't tell you everything, I don't know what does.
December 1st, 2017 at 1:38 PM ^
Coaching carousel so entertaining from the sideline.
The domino effect could be substantial...
December 1st, 2017 at 1:38 PM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 1:39 PM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 4:54 PM ^
Not likely.
December 1st, 2017 at 2:54 PM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 1:40 PM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 1:43 PM ^
There's a very real chance this happens. Reports are that FSU started vetting Willie earlier this week.
December 1st, 2017 at 1:41 PM ^
Hoke to Florida State?
December 1st, 2017 at 2:54 PM ^
I laughed.
December 1st, 2017 at 1:42 PM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 1:50 PM ^
With Texas being ripe for the taking (with no dominant program there right now) and his ties to Florida, he should be able to recruit very well. Plus the SEC is so soft right now that doing a pretty good job still gets you to 7-2 or 8-1 in conference. No reason he can't be on average a 9-10 win guy there
December 1st, 2017 at 1:58 PM ^
The SEC is "soft" right now? I mean, I know they aren't as deep this season as most years in the past decade, but soft?! They still have 3 teams in the top 10 and 5 teams in the top 25. If that's "soft," I guess the B1G is soft too, since we have similar optics.
December 1st, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 3:45 PM ^
I agree that this year the SEC is down. And, I know we all take a certain amount of pleasure seeing the goliath league of college football come back down to earth for a bit. But the league has dominated college football since the creation of BCS, and - although some teams are "down" right now - they are still operating at the level of the B1G.
The B1G West is absolute trash. Wisconsin has played nobody all season, and they have far and away the worst SOS of any team sniffing the playoff. On the east, guh, OSU has dominated and seem poised to continue to dominate. MSU has also made some waves - on occasion - but for the most part OSU has been in command and control.
There has at least been more parity in the SEC over the past decade than the B1G.
Also - Auburn is "normally mediocre with a good year once every 3-4..." Damn, I'd hate to know how you judge UM football because Auburn's recent success is way better than ours. They won an NC in 2010; they finished runner-up in 2013; and, they are poised to make the playoffs this year with a win against Georgia. Yes, this is success every 3-4 years, but I guess that means you find UM mediocre every year.
December 1st, 2017 at 5:33 PM ^
Just curious?
December 1st, 2017 at 5:59 PM ^
Serious?
Maybe "nobody" was harsh of me to say, but - honestly - we are Wisconsin's best win of the season and that's saying something.
We were / are unranked and started our 3rd string QB in Madison. Yes, we hung in there with them until Peters was injured, but let's not act like we are a "somebody" simply because we suited up and took the field.
Hopefully that narrative changes next year, and I fully expect it will. This year was always going to be a major rebuild for Harbaugh & Co. and that's what it turned out to be. That doesn't really make us a "somebody" though, and the metrics / perception of Wisconsin's bear that out.
December 1st, 2017 at 5:46 PM ^
Under Harbaugh Michigan has been better than mediocre. We're just good-ish. I mean lately Auburn literally always mediocre or somehow a national title contender
2009 - 8-5
2010 - 14-0
2011 - 8-5
2012 - 3-9
2013 - 12-2
2014 - 8-5
2015 - 7-6
2016 - 8-5
2017 - 10-2
so they'll probably be 8-5ish the next 2 years and will be in the CFP again in 2020
and yes, I don't think it's some secret that Michigan was mediocre for much of the last decade, but 2015 and 2016 were obviously extremely good teams with this year being a mediocre rebuilding outfit
December 1st, 2017 at 6:55 PM ^
I hadn't actually checked their records. That's inconsistently consistent! Ha!
Agreed on Michigan. I'm already excited for next year. Our machine is still being built, and next year will be a fun measuring stick to see the progress we are making.
December 1st, 2017 at 6:06 PM ^
To me when you openly pay Cam Newton, the NC means absolutely nothing because you bought it. Have no respect for the sec as a whole so who gives a fuck who coaches or plays there. They are one big recruiting violation. Some are just better at it than others.....Bama. Georgia is learning.
December 1st, 2017 at 4:53 PM ^
Their typical non-con schedule is 3 body bag games and 1 Power 5 foe, sometimes a tough one. A&M follows that formula.
December 1st, 2017 at 1:55 PM ^
December 2nd, 2017 at 3:02 AM ^
in '82 with a boat load of money. Bo turned them down!
December 1st, 2017 at 2:05 PM ^
For those too young to remember, some renegade regents from TAMU almost hired Bo away in 1982. Offered $3 million which was way more than anyone else was making in college football at that time. They wound up hiring Jackie Sherrill from Pitt instead. I mean, if you throw enough money at people, sometimes it winds up working. But not always.
December 1st, 2017 at 2:35 PM ^
Bo thought hard, but was concerned about where all the money was coming from. The booster connection - clearly in play - spooked him...
Thank God!!!
December 1st, 2017 at 3:28 PM ^
Yeah, and Sherrill who got the job got both TAMU and Mississippi State put on probation later on. Not exactly a secret that Marino era Pitt was utilizing bagmen too.
December 1st, 2017 at 2:59 PM ^
or $300,000 per.
December 1st, 2017 at 3:13 PM ^
football coaches were paid like normal people. 50-80K a year. So 300K a year was a HUGE offer.
December 1st, 2017 at 3:26 PM ^
And per an inflation calculator, $300K in 1981 is about $850K now.
December 1st, 2017 at 3:30 PM ^
after that offer though. I was more surprised that Mo was only making 130k per year (250ish in today's money). We have position coaches making that much now.
December 1st, 2017 at 3:36 PM ^
Right. I want to say Bo was making like $100k in salary back then so $300k in 1982 dollars sounds meh but it was a pretty big increase. But not sure about that, long long time since I read up on this.
Believe that Monahan also gave him a Domino's franchise in Columbus when he stayed as a bonus so he could make some bank slinging pies to Buckeyes. But might be an urban legend, I dunno.
December 1st, 2017 at 4:08 PM ^
Bo was given the profits from a Domino's corporate-owned store in Columbus, he never actually owned it. He DID own several Domino's franchises in Massachusettes, though, which are still run by his son Geoff. Source: http://www.espn.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/14656/buckeyes-were-…
December 1st, 2017 at 4:04 PM ^
$80k in 1980 dollars is like $250k currently. Not exactly normal people money, but still.
December 2nd, 2017 at 7:37 AM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 1:45 PM ^
I assume they are backing up a dump truck full of money, but don't these guys get a dump truck full of money wherever they go? How many dump trucks do they need?
Did he not like his AD at FSU? Was the "pressure" of ACC football too much? Is he looking forward to playing at Auburn and at Alabama (not to mention home against Clemson) next year?
FSU has been, over the last 30 years, an absolute top-tier program. And except for this past year (which was, frankly, a pathetic collapse -- I know they lost their QB but we lost two and we didn't go 5-6), he's kept them there.
It might come to pass that the only people top programs will hire in the future are alums, as these shmoes ain't loyal.
December 1st, 2017 at 5:01 PM ^
Fisher a shmoe? HAHAHAHA. Sometimes people need a change. He obviously wasn't happy there anymore. It's been well-reported about his divorce scandal. And he and the AD aren't exactly buddies.
TAMU is a good place to be now, especially if Saban retires before long. It's a shitload of money. It actually seems like a pretty good choice for him if that's what he wanted. Someone else will luck into a kickass job in FSU too now.
December 1st, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^
FSU should swoop in on Scott Frost before he has a chance to sign anything with Nebraska.
December 1st, 2017 at 1:54 PM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 2:13 PM ^
I dunno. FSU is a vastly better job, yet Nebraska comes with expectations that are just as high as FSU. They threw two coaches (and Pelini's cat) overboard pre-Riley for repeatedly going 9-4. Maybe Riley has softened up the fanbase, but even if you're a loyal alumni, do you have enough support and slack and patience to build up that program to those expectations? Not sure.
December 1st, 2017 at 3:11 PM ^
I don't know about this...
I'm not saying you are suggesting this at all, but Frost going to Nebraska is not the same as Harbaugh coming to Michigan. Yes, it is "the prodigal son returning home," but that's where the similarities end.
By most accounts, Frost had - at best - a "frosty" (har har har!) relationship with the Nebrasksa fan base and alums while he was there. He was openly hated by many alums for spurning Nebraska in favor of Stanford before returning home for his final two years. At best, his legacy is good-not-great among the Cornhusker powers-that-be.
Harbaugh - in comparison - grew up inside the UM football program. He lived, breathed, and ate UM football 24/7 his entire childhood and most of his adolescence. Yes, there was some frostiness when Harbaugh made the comments about UM's academic standards and the whole "Mike Hart situation," but those things pale in comparison to the issues between Frost and Nebraska.
So - I'm not sure Frost would have as much trouble saying "no" to Osbourne if Uncle Phil at Oregon gave him the keys to the castle.
Although - I do agree - Frost is being respectful to his players right now. No doubt, there's a lot of behind the scenes activity!