LOLSparty: Algebra no longer required at MSU

Submitted by Mark McBoneski on

In a move that should shock none of us, MSU has done away with requiring algebra to graduate. They claim that algebra is just too hard for their students, so they are implementing new "quantitative literacy" classes. And it's not like MSU's algebra course is rocket science. From one class's syllabus:

 

The topics of MTH 103 include linear & quadratic equations & inequalities, complex numbers, equations with radicals, absolute value, graphing linear and quadratic equations, transformations of graphs, polynomials, functions, polynomial and rational functions, exponentials, logarithms, and, most importantly, applications of these topics to solving problems outside of mathematics.

 I do realize that math isn't for everyone (UM's calculus courses were the WORST), but come on. If you have a college degree, you're expected to able to perform simple algebra calculations. Luckily, one of MSU's leaders agrees with me:

 

But students aren’t likely to succeed in the new classes or in post-college life without some algebra fundamentals, said William Schmidt, director of the MSU College of Education's Center for the Study of Curriculum. “Students who come to college with real weaknesses on the formal math side may not benefit fully from the quantitative lessons,” he said. While every job doesn’t require a well-honed knowledge of advanced math, Schmidt said, learning the fundamentals is essential to problem-solving. “The logic of thinking algebraically builds ways of thinking about problems, allowing us to engage in the practical aspects of mathematics,” he said. “It’s pretty tough (to do so) without it.”

 

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So maybe there is a small chance that eventually those quantitative literacy classes will end up resembling actual algebra. But until then, we just have to be content with "Go to school at MSU, learn to count to te-en!" being all too real.

 

blueblue

June 30th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^

You plant four rows of corn and three rows of soy beans. If corn needs a gallon of pesticide per row and soy beans need two, how much pesticide will you need to spray on your land?

Ivan Karamazov

June 30th, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^

From reading the description of the course they are doing away with I believe I learned all that in 10th and 11th grade. So on the optimistic side MSU is changing their course requirements to reflect a trend towards knowledge already learned in high school. On the other hand, LOL Sparty.

Franch Dressing

June 30th, 2016 at 10:57 AM ^

that I'd never have a calculator on me; well f them, as I not only have a calculator, but an encyclopedia, computer, game system, etc. etc. math is overrated (coming from somebody who does have multiple degrees).

Lakeyale13

June 30th, 2016 at 11:00 AM ^

Not surprised. Unless your field requires such a class, this should have been accomplished in High School. I just pray my high school son doesn't ask the same questions I did, such as, "When will I ever you use this!?". The answer= NEVER

uncle leo

June 30th, 2016 at 11:01 AM ^

Can't downvote this enough. Who gives a damn? 

Had to take a zillion math and finance courses in college. I use 0 of that knowledge to date. 

uncle leo

June 30th, 2016 at 11:23 AM ^

I bought one of those algebra refresher books, and it just went right over my head. I'm so far removed from the nitty of the gritty when it comes to math. 

That's why the "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?" show works. It's stuff we learn when we are younger, and really don't apply in adulthood. The things I learned from those classes were not the actual content, but how I worked with my classmates.

ghostofhoke

June 30th, 2016 at 11:03 AM ^

Ugh, this might go poorly for you OP and your stretch to get a dig in at Sparty. UM doesn't require algebra either. LSA has a quantitative reasoning requirement. I took intro to statistics to fulfill it instead of Calc. It was pretty easy and didn't have to deal with Algebra.



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Perkis-Size Me

June 30th, 2016 at 11:02 AM ^

Unless you didn't take it in HS, and you weren't going into a science/math related field that required it, why would you need it in college?

A good majority of careers out there will never require you to know anything more about math other than adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing.



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laxmangl29

June 30th, 2016 at 11:06 AM ^

Is Algebra really that important for much of the student population? Trig is more useful in daily life anyway, and unless your major requires math, what is the point of putting someone who is going for a non STEM major through a class with few real world applications.

I'm sure their engineers still need to take the requisite classes, its just the general population that doesn't.

Funny headline nonetheless!

MGoBender

June 30th, 2016 at 12:03 PM ^

You can provide that argument for every subject area taught in school. Yet, for some reason, it's always applied to math like math is the only subject whose specific skills taught aren't usued in everyone's everyday life, regardless of career path.

BlueinOK

June 30th, 2016 at 11:07 AM ^

I think the more math the better. I know there's tons of people who say they don't use the math they learned in high school or college, but I feel like I use some of the skills I learned without thinking about it. But I'm the type were math came really easy so maybe that's just me. 

theytookourjobs

June 30th, 2016 at 11:11 AM ^

It's because Algebra is out dated.  Same reason you don't have to learn Latin anymore, or cursive hand writing, or English, History, Art, Spelling, Phonics, and Reading.  All out dated

Michology 101

June 30th, 2016 at 11:22 AM ^

Many colleges are becoming more lenient with their math requirements. I think I heard that Wayne State is doing something similar. So let's not act like this is just some MSU thing and it somehow shows what kind of poor students they have. Everyone isn't planning a career where heavy math skills will be needed. High School Algebra 1 thru 3 is actually enough Algebra learning for many people to do just fine in that subject.

Everyone Murders

June 30th, 2016 at 11:19 AM ^

Sorry, OP, but I'm not getting the hilarity here.  I'm a big fan of STEM studies, and wish more people took math more seriously, but I saw many innumerate folks get through Michigan.  Unless one of my kids is going there (unlikely), I don't care much about their core requirements.

MSU is a good school, with some great programs.  What makes MSU fun to mock isn't the academics.  It's their incurable inferiority complex, their "bro" fans, their penchant for Axe, their intense hatred of sofas, their be-chipped shoulders, etc. 

I don't need to dig through their core curriculum to find things to laugh at them about.

AZBlue

June 30th, 2016 at 11:18 AM ^

Random question - semi on-topic

Does anyone have suggestions of a decent book or online resource to relearn/refresh ones' Calculus? Haven't used it since M (went sales instead of engineering) but am just enough of a geek to want to relearn it a bit. (as long as it doesn't cut into my MGo time...)

Absolutely LOVED math until I had to take Dif EQ...

Doc Brown

June 30th, 2016 at 11:19 AM ^

Speaking as a math and physics teacher, I completely convinced in the rise of populist leaders and pundits that rely upon emotional arguments and the fall of mathematical training in our populace are correlated. I couldn't care less if my students remember the trig identities (you can look them up on wolfram), but I care that they can look at a problem and design algorithm to solve it. Learning math is more about stretching your ability to use logic and reasoning when you see a new problem.