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May have been how this whole…

May have been how this whole thing unraveled.  Stallions shares his intel on Ohio State with Penn State's guy....Penn State shares with Indiana and says 'yeah we got all of this great intel from Stallions at Michigan, he's got a whole network of people devoted to this'...and then that gets back to Ohio State or whoever decided they had an axe to grind with Michigan and they hired a PI to look into it.

Because Stallions seems like the kind of idiot that would say verbatim "I have a whole network of people devoted to this"

This is the most likely…

This is the most likely option.  As a staffer, it's not hard to get someone a credential with no paper trail for it.  You just ask your asst AD or comms person, hey I need a sideline pass, and then they just give it to you.

Right. In all likelihood,…

Right. In all likelihood, Stallions had something like a Dropbox folder that his scouts could upload to.  One of the questions is did others on the staff have access to that folder.  If they did, then it becomes real hard to explain that they didn't know that Stallions was having others shoot cell phone videos from opposing stadiums because you'd be able to clearly see hundreds of cell phone video clips in there.

These are the two things…

These are the two things Michigan appears in violation of:

"The first NCAA rule in question is scouting in opposing stadiums, which has been in place since 1994. The second potential rule being broken, evidence of which had not been reported prior, could mean that Michigan violated Article 11 subsection H of the NCAA football rulebook: "Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited."

It's not that they were stealing signs, it's that they were going about it in a really dumb and traceable way.

Yeah....this is likely the…

Yeah....this is likely the end of Harbaugh at Michigan.  Or at the very least the chatter of Harbaugh to the NFL is gonna get EXTRA loud this offseason.

Something is wrong with the…

Something is wrong with the rushing offense as a whole.  They are a long, long way away from where they were last season.  5th in the nation in yards per game, and 3rd in the nation in yards per carry last season, and 71st and 40th respectively entering this game.

This was the EXACT same…

This was the EXACT same thing people were saying about McCarthy over Cade last season for Michigan.  JJ had plenty of very freshman moments (MSU game anyone?) same way Allar did.

I second all of this.  Also…

I second all of this.  Also a frequent traveler.  Kayak is a great tool for figuring out which options are out there, and Priceline and others are also great for hotels, but you should almost never book through those sites.  If you ever run into trouble with your flight or hotel and you've booked through kayak, expedia, etc...you're not going to get little to no help from the airline or hotel because even though your reservation is with them, you didn't book through them.  You booked through a third party.

Another thing to pay attention to with airlines is hidden fees.  Baggage fees vary quite a bit from airline to airline, so figure out how many bags you're going to check, look up the baggage fees for that airline, and then find out the real price of your flight.  There's times buying an upgraded ticket is worth it because it comes with free checked bags.

It really is impressive how…

It really is impressive how Michigan has absolutely squandered two of the best seasons in recent program history.  Reach CFB's final four and it has the same recruiting impact as going 7-5.

It doesn't bother me as much…

It doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother others.  Bowl games by definition are meaningless exhibitions.  The only real point to them is building momentum towards the next season -- you get in extra practices, and another game of reps.  No one cares if Purdue beats LSU or vice versa.

But if you're not planning on being on the team next season and have aspirations of going pro, what's the point?

They used super secret…

They used super secret poison that masks itself and manifests as an aortic aneurysm in an autopsy!!!

He’s a threat to run for…

He’s a threat to run for sure, but not THAT big of a threat. We’re only talking about 195 yds rushing on the season. Cade had 38 last year. That’s only around 16-17 yds of rushing gained by having JJ vs Cade.

I think his success IS why…

I think his success IS why people are complaining about the offense.  If your QB is leading the country by completing 78% of his passes, and is 6th in the nation at 9.6 yds/att...but is not even close to the top 100 for attempts a game at 20 att/G (Tanner Morgan from Minn is No. 100 at 23.5 att/G)....

People might have a point.

Yeah, but looked down and…

Yeah, but looked down and was definitely down are two different things.  He wasn't called down on the play, and there was nothing conclusive on replay that he showed he was down.

Right. Except the ball hit a…

Right. Except the ball hit a Texas lineman 2 feet away from where it was thrown. So no one has any idea where the pass was headed.  You can't assume it was headed to an eligible receiver, nor can you assume it was headed to a place with no eligible receivers.  It's an incomplete pass, same as any other pass that's knocked down at the line of scrimmage or in the pocket.

That’s not just A&M’s rules,… That’s not just A&M’s rules, it’s all of CFB right now. And if he doesn’t want recruits coming on campus with deals, then he’s committing himself to a lower tier of talent.
Last Arch Manning rumor I…

Last Arch Manning rumor I heard was you have to be prepared to go north of 8 figures on an NIL deal to even get a recruiting meeting with him.  Not willing to give him $10M+, then don't even bother.

Me too!  I want nothing to…

Me too!  I want nothing to do with Chet.  Give me Paolo or Jabari and I'd be pretty happy.

No it isn’t. Even keeps… No it isn’t. Even keeps saying the appreciation thing was about the head coaching gig because that’s what they want to think. Appreciation makes much more sense when it’s money related. Gattis was in the final year of his deal, just won the Broyles and was making significantly less than someone like that should make.
He didn't say anything about…

He didn't say anything about HC consideration in that statement to players.  All of that is coming from fans.  For all we know he was looking for a new contract and sizeable raise, and Michigan wasn't giving it to him.

People keep pointing to the…

People keep pointing to the HC thing for Gattis, and I don't think its that at all.  He only had 1 year left on his contract, just lead Michigan to it's best offense in years, won the Broyles award....and still had the same contract.  Negotiations for a sizeable raise should have happened as soon as the season was over, and been quickly resolved.  If the admin and Harbaugh didn't do any of that, that's a pretty solid diss and lack of appreciation.  And they can't use Harbaugh being in limbo as an excuse, because they hired Elston during this time too.

Right. Appreciation can mean…

Right. Appreciation can mean a lot of different things to different people.  His contract was only good through the end of this upcoming season, and he was due to make $1M.  With just one year left on his deal, the Broyles in hand, and the best Michigan offense in a long time behind him he was due for a pretty decent sized raise and extension.

If Michigan never properly recognized him winning the Broyles, and never approached him about an extension with a salary in the $1.5M and up range, then yeah...that's a pretty solid lack of appreciation and I don't blame him at all for looking elsewhere to find validation.

If you were making $50k at…

If you were making $50k at Ferrari, and then left to go to Chrysler and got paid $100k to do so, did you take a step up or down?

What is all of the hype…

What is all of the hype around Hart?  I don't get it.  Maybe I've missed his contributions, but what exactly has he done that people want to promote him to OC or HC?  He's not anywhere on 247 recruiter rankings, the RBs were good before and after he got here, and the OL success is Sherrone Moore's.

Yeah who needs the Broyles…

Yeah who needs the Broyles Award winner on staff. Fuck that guy. Harbaugh clearly did all the work to earn that award, which is why Michigan is on to their 5th OC in 8 seasons.

Sometimes peace of mind and…

Sometimes peace of mind and change of scenery is worth a step back or sideways. And if the money is equivalent…not really much of a step back.

Right? What exactly did Hart…

Right? What exactly did Hart do last season as a coach that warrants moving up to OC or head coach?

That’s my sense. There’s no…

That’s my sense. There’s no way the leader of the team can flirt like that with an NFL team and leave everyone guessing for two months without some people deciding to move on regardless if he comes back or not.

Because Harbaugh left his…

Because Harbaugh left his entire staff and program hanging in the wind for two months?? If you’re gonna flirt with someone else, don’t be surprised if the people back home decide to move on when you decide to come back.

Michigan has dabbled in the…

Michigan has dabbled in the Fuck Around waters with this Harbaugh situation. Gonna find out quick if they are now in the And Find Out phase of things.

 

EDIT: Hey! Welcome to the Find Out Phase everyone!! Let’s see what else is in store this round. Keep an eye on the ol transfer portal.

I kinda think that's why…

I kinda think that's why this can't work long term anymore.  While Harbaugh may come back, and may say he's not going to be looking at the NFL, that's not going to stop the rumor mill.  If he posts another 10+ win season next year, it's only going to intensify the NFL rumors.

It's the off-season, but the…

It's the off-season, but the backend of the coaching carousel.  A lot of moves have been made already, and a lot of coaches have already changed jobs. That limits who you can hire both head coach wise, and assistant coach wise. 

I would. Coordinators were…

I would. Coordinators were the biggest key to last seasons success along with great leadership from the players. It’s tough to see a lot of buy in from the team to commitment and everything else Harbaugh would try and sell knowing he’s one foot out the door.

Gattis or another head coach at least gives you a fresh start and forward momentum to build off of. Harbaugh gives you none of that. Whatever momentum there was after last season is dead now.

The "what the hay?" is why…

The "what the hay?" is why it's untenable.  He's been a college coach long enough to know what the NFL rumors to do recruiting and building a staff.  Opposing coaches will hammer him leaving for the NFL to any and all recruits and they will absolutely lose some as a result of that.

And if you're a top flight DC candidate, would you really want to come to team where it might be one year only and they just lost their top 3 defenders? That's not exactly a great scenario.  Same as recruiting, not a deal breaker for everyone, but there's definitely going to be people that say no given all of that.

Feels like it's too late for…

Feels like it's too late for that.  Would anyone really take him at his word if he said that?  This is the equivalent of getting cheated on by someone that's been rumored to be interested in cheating for years.

Have another good season next fall, and more NFL teams come flirting you really gonna trust him that's he's not going to be receptive to the flirting?

The revisionist history is…

The revisionist history is always nice, but JJ just wasn't ready.  He has the happiest of happy feet in the pocket and bails out on the play far too often.  Definitely capable of more top end plays, but also far more likely to have a catastrophic play.

(After Alabama lost their…

(After Alabama lost their top two WRs)

But none of those positions…

But none of those positions are really where championships are won.  Michigan gets worse on both lines, and that was where the most striking difference was between Michigan and Georgia.  I was down on the field for the Orange Bowl pregame, and the size difference between the two teams was just jarring.  That game was over at the coin toss.

Hopefully the combo of the…

Hopefully the combo of the Orange Bowl and seeing A&M land the No. 1 recruiting class with NIL money did the trick.

Correct. And I wished him…

Correct. And I wished him luck on that journey. People just conflate wishing someone luck on the reality of their situation with being a dick.

He lost playing time here as the season went on, likely wasn't going to see more time next season, wants to take a shot at the pros, so best bet is probably leaving now and latching on as a UFA somewhere. Works for some, doesn't for most.  Best of luck.

I wish him the best of luck…

I wish him the best of luck with his undrafted free agency.

Dax Hill has ascended. He is…

Dax Hill has ascended. He is everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

Agreed on the time off. …

Agreed on the time off.  Need to be full healthy, and also need the time to scout Georgia and prepare for them.  We saw how a season full of scouting and practicing for Ohio State paid off.  Need the same for Georgia..

Both sides lost the game.

Both sides lost the game.

Defense got burned by substitution issues — which has been an issue throughout the season.

Offense got burned by being inept in the red zone — which has been an issue throughout the season. They are 84th in the country at converting red zone trips to TDs.

MSU identified the defensive issue and exploited it in big moments, and the coaches never figured out answers to the red zone issues and settled for field goals. And that was the game.

I mean….sure it’s 10-10 over…

I mean….sure it’s 10-10 over the last 20 years but 10-4 over the last fourteen years. So sure…technically over the last 20 it’s been even, but also the series has been dominated for much of the last two decades by MSU.

Agreed. Headed for 9-3/10-2…

Agreed. Headed for 9-3/10-2 this season and a likely bowl loss because that's just what they do under Harbaugh.  Next season should be better, but better is 10-2/11-1 and a likely bowl loss because that's just what they do under Harbaugh.

Is that good? I don't know.  Being better than most, but never being able to be better than the same 2-3 teams every season is a weird place to be.

Finishing every season by losing 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 4 games is always a tough pill to swallow too.  Never feels like you're building momentum.

I doubt they will be at Penn…

I doubt they will be at Penn State for the Michigan game. They went there once already this year for the Auburn game, and have already double dipped with Athen, GA twice. I could see them going to Ole Miss or Wake that weekend instead. Maybe Baylor for the Oklahoma game.

They passed on the previous…

They passed on the previous game of the season No.4 Penn State at No. 3 Iowa just a few weeks ago. There’s always another option.

My guess is that Michigan is…

My guess is that Michigan is and has been able to be good at 1-2 things offensively.  When other defenses can identify those things and stop them, Michigan doesn't have the talent and/or scheme to adjust.

The Rutgers game was a good example of that.  Ran the ball down their throats on the opening drive. Rutgers adjusted, and then Michigan didn't have a counter and struggled to run the rest of the game.

Michigan either expected to be able to run on them like that all game, and that's all they schemed for.  Or, once Rutgers adjusted they just don't have the talent to be able to attack downfield to open the run game back up and were limited by what they could do offensively.

That, and there's a sizeable amount of Lloydball in Harbaugh's DNA where he gets a lead and then just turtles and refuses to attack out of fear of turning the ball over.

1. He's easily producing…

1. He's easily producing more good than bad, because he's produced little to no bad at all.

2. Hasn't thrown a pick, hasn't fumbled, and hasn't been sacked. You qualifying this as "barely doing it" makes me think you're insane.

3. Oh...just be one of the greatest QBs in all of football history. Easy bar to reach there.  An in lieu of that...what weapons does Michigan have that can shine?  They lost their No. 1 WR, and everyone else is inexperienced.  This almost decades long infatuation with the notion that Michigan has all of these offensive weapons on their roster that just aren't being utilized due to coaching, bad QB play, bad OL, etc just isn't true at all.  We've seen players transfer, seen them go to the pros, and none of them have shown that they weren't being used correctly here.