Interesting convo I had with a prominant Chicago HS basketball coach

Submitted by WindyCityBlue on

So, I had the opportunity to speak with a Chicago HS basketball luminary in a casual situation earlier today.  I won't drop his name at this point, but he coached some of Chicago's best talent over the past 30 years at a couple well known Chicago high schools.  He apparently just retired this year.  I asked some very pointed questions about basketball topics, specifically regarding college recruiting, and he (thankfully) did not hold back on giving me some very candid and real answers.  Thought I would share with the board:

1. College bball recruiting is extremely dirty (duh!)

2. While he thinks the NCAA does their best to monitor this, he seems to believe that college coaches are much smarter and can "stay ahead" of the NCAA.  He says there are very sophisticated ways to pay players and their families without suspicion.

3. Coach K - dirty as hell (I was kinda surprised by this)

4. Coach Cal - dirty as hell (duh!)

5. Coach Pitino - dirty as hell (duh!)

5. Izzo - sends his assitants to do his dirty work.  He says he was offered money from Dwayne Stephens on several recent occasions for particular recruits (although I don't know if he actually accepted the money).  He thinks that Izzo is not as bad as others though.  Izzo has a lot of respect in Chicago and is not normally known for playing dirty.  However, his people told him that Izzo's recent recruting success is no doubt from some "below the belt" tactics.

6. The Jabari Parker recruitment was surprising clean on a relative scale.

7. As for Michigan/JB - clean, very clean, but too clean.  Most promimant Chicago HS coaches stay away from Michigan because Michigan won't be part of the "recruiting machine" in Chicago.  They think JB is a good coach but teaches "white boy" basketball.  He basically says Michigan/JB has no respect in Chicago anymore.

I mentioned I was a Michigan fan and talked some more about our program.  He has tons of respect for us becasue he had lots of interaction with Michigan many years ago.  Back in the 90s, Michigan was THE school for Chicago's best talent.  He says we were not a clean program then, but he says that no one was and Michigan was no different than any other major program.  He seems to think we have little to no chance with big time recruits in any major city without getting a little dirty. 

He had some funny things to say about Amaker, but I'll save for later.

Anyway, thought I would share with the board.  What are your thoughts?  Would you be OK with getting a little dirty to get better recruits?  Are you OK with being a super clean program now that can't consistent compete on the big stage?

 

 

MGoBrewMom

December 28th, 2015 at 12:51 AM ^

But they're cheaters, and I don't care how good they feel about themselves. Shit will catch up with them someday, and legacies will be tarnished. My preference is to keep it clean and stay away from that stuff. Have a solid team every year, have a good shot at a deep run into the tourney every couple years because of coaching, team chemistry and character. I really hope we are above it and stay there.

DealerCamel

December 27th, 2015 at 9:24 PM ^

With everything you hear about how dirty every big-time program in every sport is, I'm kinda surprised that Michigan basketball is the same way.  Pleased, because I love John Belein, but surprised. 

Also, "white boy basketball" - rofl my fucking lmao.

UMxWolverines

December 27th, 2015 at 10:31 PM ^

I can't remember where I read it but somebody somewhere on the internet happened to meet Coach K in a casino bathroom in Vegas. The guy was a little buzzed and said to Coach K "I didn't expect to see you in here." Coach K replies, "Well I shit and piss like everyone else." I thought that was hilarious because I can't see Coach K saying something like that, but that would fit the foul-mouthed description.

Rabbit21

December 28th, 2015 at 11:38 AM ^

There's a great anecdote in a book about the Army Navy game set during the mid-90's.  Duke was about to play Navy and so Duke's coach at the time brought in Coach K to give a pep talk and Coach K(A West Point grad) launched into a foul-mouthed rant about how he could not even stand the thought of losing to Navy and how doing so would always stain the Duke football team.  Apprently Duke's coach was completely shocked by it.  

So for me, this wasn;t exactly a surprise.

wesq

December 27th, 2015 at 10:49 PM ^

Not even a joke. Used to get all kinds of kids out of Chicago. From Cazzie to Rickey Greene to Howard even Garnett was ticketed to here until he failed to qualify. You could argue historically Chicago was more important than Detroit to Michigan basketball. Crazy how different it is.

Saint_in_Blue

December 27th, 2015 at 9:32 PM ^

I'd rather be clean AND be good at basketball. There's a reason he likes NBA players' kids. They like that JB is a cleaner recruiter. Also, this now confirms that he will not land too many blue chip recruits and has to rely on these "diamonds in the rough".

alum96

December 27th, 2015 at 9:31 PM ^

Bacari...its time to be Dwayne Stephens...

Not surprised on Coach K.... always hear some sort of rumors all over the internet and its the "price of admission" to get those kids.  I wish you had asked about Kansas which sounds like 2nd worst next to UK.

gwkrlghl

December 27th, 2015 at 10:33 PM ^

I mean being a coach for 30 years in Chicago and coaching some of the biggest names is like being the same for hockey in Toronto or football in Dallas. Assuming he's telling the truth, I'm certain this guy forgets more about recruiting violations than the NCAA will ever know

schreibee

December 27th, 2015 at 11:46 PM ^

"Meh" implies indifference or boredom, according to The Urban Dictionary (and here I thought it was Yiddish!)

So are you indifferent to other teams' cheating? Bored by the whole topic?

What, then, do you not buy? Claims Michigan does it different? Opinions we play "white boy basketball"? The idea that we need to get a little dirty to get the top of the top hoops recruits?

I'm bored and indifferent to the new generation's boredom and indifference, but if you're goona post here be prepared to bring more than "Meh"