Per Sam: Battle for Dax Hill may not be over
Per Sam Webb last night on TMI and again today on the recruiting roundup, the race for Dax Hill MAY not be over. Sam cautions fans to stop with the accusations of extra benefits, one because it’s indecent, and two because of self-interest (so you’re saying there’s a chance?). So while we are all collectively upset about what went down, all hope is not lost. Sam also mentioned Aubrey Solomon as a precedent. It’s not necessarily the exact same situation, but there are definitely parallels. Take it FWIW.
December 11th, 2018 at 4:23 PM ^
Your avatar looks particularly vested in this thread.
(/show myself out)
December 11th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^
Just wait until you hear about offers that aren't actual offers!
December 11th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^
+1 underrated
seriously recruiting is such a horrible thing to follow. I really don’t know why I do. I need to get a life.
December 11th, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^
Until they show up on campus with a student ID, no commit is a commit, for better or worse.
Following recruit announcements is absurd (though I admit it's a guilty pleasure).
December 11th, 2018 at 1:54 PM ^
What. Ever. To be honest, I’d been getting pretty annoyed with Sam for the last month or so when he was telling all of us why we should want, and even need, OSU to be 10-1 coming into the game and we need them as highly ranked as possible. The guy got his wish, and we got an uber-motivated OSU team with everything to play for, intent on putting on a bloodbath for all the world to see.
The guy is fishing for a story that isn’t there. Hill is gone, and he’s not coming back. Accept it and move on.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:03 PM ^
Your mad at Sam for wanting a 10-1 Buckeye team? Probably best to step away from the keyboard for a while. Sam had zero effect on the outcome of the OSU game.
He didn't say he was coming back. He's reporting that Michigan is still in pursuit. If you don't want that news then don't listen.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:11 PM ^
"I’d been getting pretty annoyed with Sam for the last month or so when he was telling all of us why we should want, and even need, OSU to be 10-1 coming into the game and we need them as highly ranked as possible."
JFC, don't listen to him then.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:35 PM ^
I've found that most people who say this sort of thing don't actually listen to or read Sam Webb's reporting. They hear about it 3rd or 4th hand, mostly from users on mgoblog who read something he says and say "SAM WEBB SAYS WE COULD GET ..." and that's all they know.
I've found that reading mgouser interpretations of his reports and actually reading his reports are two completely separate experiences. "Alternative facts" if you will.
December 11th, 2018 at 8:36 PM ^
Way ahead of you. Already stopped.
December 11th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^
If he wants to come back, we could probably squeeze him in.
December 11th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^
I just finished up posting about this... Did not hit "post" fortunately. His direct words. "Pump the brakes. Take a pause. It is not over"
Check out the links below for the segments.
I think it is imperative that we following this advice...
DO NOT TWEET AT RECRUITS.
Segment 1 where he first gets into it
December 11th, 2018 at 1:59 PM ^
Dear Dax,
My bad... we was all joking.
P.S. If you end up at OSU, we were not.
TTYL,
-Michigan Fanbase
December 11th, 2018 at 6:37 PM ^
P.S. You're a Baller!
December 11th, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^
If it's a question of money, we should just offer more.
December 11th, 2018 at 3:58 PM ^
Yeah I’m on board with this. Clinging to a prehistoric notion that we are playing by the rules and that will somehow pay dividends down the road hasn’t worked for a couple/few decades. Fuck it, fire up the money cannon and show people the fully operational version of the Wolverine Death Star.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^
It’s over
December 11th, 2018 at 2:03 PM ^
Why, why do you have to tease me like this!!!
December 11th, 2018 at 2:04 PM ^
The blog will implode once Harrison signs with OSU. I just hope he decides during the early period. Maizen's burner accounts will troll and pretend they aren't Maizen/Shawn L Martin accounts while the fans who fall back on wins from the 1800s will defend the program's honor. The ultimate internet fight will ensue.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:05 PM ^
I MIGHT think we have a chance if he had just decommitted, without committing immediately to Alabama.
Can anyone think of any 4* or 5*over the last 20 years, who decommitted from a school, committed to another, and then decommitted again to return to the school they originally committed to? Guess their has to be a first for anything - but seems like less than .005% chance...
December 11th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^
Can you think of anyone that said Fuck Michigan then committed 2 weeks later? That has to be .00001.
I think that kid from Texas Elliott decommittted then recommited to Texas.
Basically Najee Harris did the same thing in reverse but his committment to Michigan was silent.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:48 PM ^
I like the way you rationalize.
As I want Dax Hill to don the maize n blue, willing to subscribe to your newsletter for a free trial...
December 11th, 2018 at 6:18 PM ^
Big Will Campbell did something like this.
December 11th, 2018 at 6:40 PM ^
His “commitment” doesn’t mean much obviously. So he could change his mind tomorrow when Hugh Frieze shows up with hookers and cash and end up at Liberty.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:05 PM ^
Next thing you know somebody who knows somebody sat next to daxton hills dad on a plane....
December 11th, 2018 at 2:06 PM ^
Bowl game showing could possibly change his mind.
Home uni's would help for a sharp look IMO. Or the Maize ones if we are the away team.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:22 PM ^
Lol so all it’s going to take is for Michigan to wear their home uniforms? Wow.
December 11th, 2018 at 6:37 PM ^
Somebody should alert the coaching staff to this.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
What? Quit playing with my emotions...
December 11th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
Sam is just tying to save face. Respect the guy for what he does, but he was misled big time and it's not his fault. But he doesn't need to make it seem like we have hope and he may end up being "right"...
December 11th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
The dude told the whole world he has de-committed. It’s over. Next.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
It's over move on to the next
December 11th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^
It's BS. Sam's good but he plays games to string out these situations for clicks. That's all it is. Don't fall for it.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
December 11th, 2018 at 2:10 PM ^
Hell no!
December 11th, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^
The Germans?
December 11th, 2018 at 2:53 PM ^
Leave him alone - he's on a roll...
December 11th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^
December 11th, 2018 at 2:21 PM ^
I don't think any extra benefits offered at Michigan even come close to what's dangled at some other places. Yes, Bama tops the list. They may not pay top dollar anymore, because on field wins do a lot of talking, but they sure as hell led the game early into Saban's tenure. I've no doubt Clemson offer's nearly as much as your basic SEC team, also. I mean, we know Bama, Miss St and LSU lost out on the bidding war for Cam Newton to Auburn. I'm sure there were others.
How did Auburn not get punished for that, again?
Yeah, spare me the take that Michigan offers the same things. Some things, yes. But not nearly on the same scale or precedence...
December 11th, 2018 at 2:33 PM ^
Dude.
Getting a free meal or some free gear or something isn't the same thing as someone giving you mid/high four figure or five figure payments.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^
So if Michigan fans stop badgering an 18 year old kid about his commitment elsewhere then we are sure to get him back!
So...looks like he's going to be Bama then.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^
Per me: LOL
I enjoy Sam and he's got a job to do. Sure there is a chance until the ink is on paper, but it sure seems like the longest of long shots.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^
Sam's points this morning were:
A. Don't tweet shit to Hill, or any other recruit—it doesn't help Michigan's case.
B. It's not over till it's over with Hill (he played a clip from one of the Rocky movies)
Point A is something every sane Michigan should agree with.
Point B is Sam's natural optimistic, never-say-die attitude at work. He did NOT say Hill was re-committing to us, just that it isn't officially over yet.
Personally I think it's over, but that's what I thought about Solomon, too.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:17 PM ^
Bama just shows this and it's over
December 11th, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^
This seems a bit misleading. I'm sure there's been schools with 2...and if 1 gets drafted they have a higher percentage than Alabama. I'm sure if you show this for a lot of other schools it'll be better than the CFB average, too. Where's the smart mathy types at?
December 11th, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^
That stat is for the rest of CFB combined, not individual schools.
December 11th, 2018 at 4:12 PM ^
I am aware of that. I was saying there may be schools within that combined CFB average that are way above average and schools that are way below average. The way above average schools may have a better percentage than Alabama. Taking the 2017 NFL Draft class vs the 2013 recruiting class:
2017 NFL Draft
Five-star: 23
Four-star: 76
Three-star: 90
Two-star: 25
NR: 38
2013 Class - 247Sports Composite
Five-star: 35 (65.7%)
Four-star: 330 (23%)
Three-star: 1,790 (5%)
Two-star: 1,720 (1.4%)
65.7% of the 5 stars in the 2013 recruiting class were drafted in the 2017 draft. I'm sure there were more drafted in the 2016 class as underclassmen and perhaps more in 2018 as 5th year guys. I'm not sure how exactly these numbers were calculated so these numbers could be a bit misleading.
When you get a ton more 5 stars than any other school, and the percentages of those players making it to the NFL are higher, it's no surprise your numbers may be propped up by the sheer volume of 5 stars they have.
I guess I'm interested to see what Clemson's or FSU's or Michigan's percentage is against the rest of the CFB average (throwing Alabama back into that).
December 11th, 2018 at 5:21 PM ^
Less than 50% of the 5 stars that go to Bama get drafted? 52% don’t get drafted. Wow, poor player development.
December 11th, 2018 at 6:22 PM ^
Yeah, I kinda thought it would be higher.
I thought that everybody that goes to Alabama gets drafted.
That's why 4-stars with no chance of playing time still choose to sit on the bench at Alabama instead of coming to schools like Michigan.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:17 PM ^
This is all so very stupid.
To Sam: tell us what you know or let us keep thinking he is gone. To provide us false hope like this and tell us basically nothing other than "don't complain, guys" is a lot to ask and really it does much more harm than good. Had you said nothing about whatever it is that you might know, it would have been much easier on everyone. Doing what you're doing is a lose-lose for everyone involved. I truly believe you are better than this. Please act like it.
December 11th, 2018 at 2:26 PM ^
He talked to Dax's dad. If Dax's dad told him don't say anything then is he supposed to break the man's trust to appease you and ruin his credibility in recruiting circles?