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11/13/2018 - 9:36am For what it's worth, I just…

For what it's worth, I just saw something from a supposed "friend" of Patterson's dad. This individual's take was that Patterson wasn't coming back. Imhe, I want Patterson to keep on winning this year. I would much rather Michigan win the the whole shooting match, conquering even Bama. If that happens, however, I think it will raise Patterson's stock so much that he will become a first round pick, and leave this year. If Patterson leaving is the cost of winning the national championship, well that's a price worth paying.

As an aside, I think that Jim Harbaugh will be frank and forthright with Patterson. If he is ready for the NFL, I don't think Harbaugh would encourage him to stay.

11/13/2018 - 9:19am You can create whatever list…

You can create whatever list you want. Imhe, OSU will always be our main rival athletically. MSU will always be an annoying thorn in our side, but I'm hoping they become much less relevant going forward. ND is closer to Michigan academically and in terms of football history.

If you bring up a list of teams ranked by wins, Michigan is at the top. Closely behind are OU, Texas, OSU, and ND. Bama, Nebraska, and PSU follow after.


In winning percentage, it is Michigan, followed by OSU and ND, with Bama and Oklahoma in the same vicinity.

Thus, in terms of wins, winning percentage, history, academics, and geographical proximity, OSU and ND are clearly our rivals. (ignore academics for OSU, although they have improved a lot in the last 20 years.) PSU, Bama, Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska have some of the markers, but aren't in the same neighborhood as OSU and ND.

EDIT:  And whoever called Rutgers a rival is an idiot. That joke is about played out. Multiple teams hate Michigan, and we are big on their enemy list. MSU and even Illinois fall in this category. But I maintain that OSU and ND have been rivals and will continue to be rivals. Whether or not PSU replaces ND, it is too soon to tell. I am wondering if the wheels are going to fall off for Franklin and PSU. We shall see, but I think this year will be more of the norm for them.

Here is a link for PSU vs. UM:

Here is the same for ND vs. UM:

11/13/2018 - 8:51am Bando, are you a prof there?…

Bando, are you a prof there? I wonder if faculty get free tickets too.

11/13/2018 - 8:50am Indy is a long way for the…

Indy is a long way for the Pac 12. Makes sense they don't do that anymore. /s

11/12/2018 - 3:42pm I'd kind of like to get a… I'd kind of like to get a better understanding of how many players you can take in one recruiting cycle. I see Chris Hinton, David Ojabo, & Mike Morris are at SDE. Gabe Newburg is at WDE. Mazi Smith at DT. Zach Harrison & George Karlaftis are at SDE, Isaiah Foskey and Aeneus DiCosmo are at WDE. Which of these players (and positions) are somewhat interchangeable? How many can you take? I see 5 current commits, along with Harrison, Karlaftis, Foskey, and DiCosmo as remaining prospects. If Harrison and Karlaftis wanted to commit, you have to make room. And probably the same goes for Foskey. I'm not understanding fully how this works. Definitely a first world problem!
11/08/2018 - 5:53pm I just posted this in Brian… I just posted this in Brian's Offensive UFR, but it is worth noting a few things. Warinner has been at 10 schools in his career . . . Akron, Army, MSU, Air Force, Kansas, Illinois, ND, Ohio State, Minnesota, and Michigan. He spent 13 years at Army, 4 at OSU & Kansas, and 1 or 2 years at each of the rest. He has been a coach at each of our key rivals: OSU, MSU, and ND. I know things went sour at OSU with the OC position. I think he could be a great run game coordinator. He could contribute greatly and collaboratively to the offensive game plan at Michigan. But . . . he probably should not be OC. I think it really comes down to what he wants to do. Head coach? Offensive Coordinator? He would have to move on. If he is content with OL & run game and a boatload of money, well, fire that cannon up and keep him in Ann Arbor!!!
11/08/2018 - 5:36pm Warinner appears to be key… Warinner appears to be key. He has been at 10 different schools over 34 years. (Akron, MSU, Army, Air Force, Kansas, Illinois, ND, OSU, Minnesota, and Michigan.) The longest stint was Army for 13 years, after that, Kansas and OSU were both 4 years. That means he averaged less than 2 years at the remaining schools. I would really love to see Warinner finish his career at Michigan, or at least have a solid 4 - 5 year run. Please, open the checkbook, open the vault, back up the Brinks truck, and give him the money. The other thing about Warinner is that having no OC is kind of ideal. Give him responsibility for the OL and the running game. Whatever title is needed. I just don't want too see him jump ship soon, especially to a rival. As an aside, seeing that he worked for MSU, OSU, and ND, Warriner is a perfect example of the way that coaches will go to different "rivals" when the opportunity presents itself. I am just glad he is no longer at OSU, and that he is not at MSU.
11/06/2018 - 10:28pm Poole & Matthews have to… Poole & Matthews have to improve . . . 0 for 7 from 3 point land is not good.
11/06/2018 - 10:22pm I just glanced at 3 point… I just glanced at 3 point shots . . . 6 of 22 right now, for 27.3%. I just don't think that is going to do it.
11/05/2018 - 8:40am Normally, I'd want OSU to…

Normally, I'd want OSU to win. However, the meltdown in Columbus would be delightful. Having their fans throw in the towel, along with a segment of the team, would be incredible. Shoot, it might even make tickets to The Game more affordable. And if it helps cement Zach Harrison to Michigan, along with 2021 5 star DE prospect Jack Sawyer from Pickerington, OH, outside of Columbus, that's even better.

Lastly, while I dislike MSU, I don't have the irrational hatred of the Spartans that some Michigan fans feel. They are indeed little brother, and I won't hate my brother, annoying as he is on occasion.

11/04/2018 - 1:47pm Yep. Looking forward to… Yep. Looking forward to going.
11/02/2018 - 3:45pm Go to your cousin's game.

Go to your cousin's game. I had something similar happen during the MSU game. We were visiting my Navy daughter in Va. Beach. My wife and I ended up going to Yorktown about a half hour before the game began, to my dismay. But you make the best of it. As it was, I learned several things about the Revolutionary and Civil War, the game was delayed, and we ended up watching the entire second half in a great restaurant. If you're fortunate, you'll be able to both see your cousin and see the PSU game.
11/01/2018 - 5:21pm I have not read through all… I have not read through all the posts, and do not plan to. All I will say is that you, sir, are a complete moron. (or moran, in these here parts.) With the huge SEC and southern/southeastern bias on the selection committee, an LSU win would almost guarantee two SEC teams, along with Clemson, along with ND, in the national championship. And frankly, I am not afraid of Bama, and feel our defense is the one defense that can match up to them. If our offense continues to improve, I welcome the opportunity to play Alabama.
10/31/2018 - 3:02pm Wonderful read. Great to… Wonderful read. Great to have this real analysis. Looking forward to PSU. I really wonder how Brown and Harbaugh (and the team, obviously) respond to last year's beat down from PSU. Part of me wants revenge, but the sane part of me wants to get up the score and then give lots of playing time to the 2nd and 3rd string. And long, demoralizing drives by the offense to try out new things, but not to try to score 50 again.
10/30/2018 - 4:40pm I really am embarrassed and… I really am embarrassed and saddened by the tone of the majority of the comments in this thread. Many of you simply believe that Meyer is a dishonest, cheating, douchebag, slimeball, terrible coach. Many of you believe that he "got what was coming to him," that this is deserved, is justice, is karma, etc. Many of you believe that it is all a convenient story, a tale concocted to give him an easy out. It is my hope that Michigan always wins. But the vitriol, the hatred, the animosity so many have does not reflect well on you or on Michigan. I don't wish ill on any player, or in this case, on any coach. I want to see Meyer treated successfully, so that he doesn't have to deal with debilitating pain the rest of his life.
10/30/2018 - 12:21pm The original piece mentioned…

The original piece mentioned baseball, where it is supposedly forbidden or illegal. Others suggested that because it is a "bad influence," he shouldn't chew or be allowed to. That is a nanny state mentality from what I can see.

It is indisputable that it is unhealthy. As you state, the vast majority accept it is his choice to make. I'm not hysterical, but completely believe it is his business. There are tons of unhealthy choices all of us make (including me.) But they are our choices.

Oh, and FTR:  I didn't vote for either candidate for president, and have no desire to bring politics into this discussion.

EDIT:  "Always one to interject politics." Who are you? That sounds like a comment from someone who has been around for a long time, not a comment from someone who joined the blog 8/31/18, with zero points to boot. Are you another one of those guys who was banned and comes back with a new user name? I'm too lazy to check, but I know that I haven't posted very much in the last two months. Let alone any posts that could vaguely be construed as political.

10/30/2018 - 11:33am LSU won't be there for long…

LSU won't be there for long. And Georgia won't beat Bama in the SEC championship game, so they're gone too. TOSU should definitely lose another game or two, including Michigan. Oklahoma is the only one I could see being rated higher. And they've got a couple games that will be tough.

But the honest truth is, Michigan needs to take care of business and not worry about what any other teams do.

10/30/2018 - 11:27am For crying out loud. It is…

For crying out loud. It is Harbaugh's mouth and Harbaugh's health. I don't smoke and I don't chew, but Jim is free to choose what to do. Some of this nanny state nonsense drives me crazy.

10/24/2018 - 9:45pm The fine is the voice of God…

The fine is the voice of God. Hope Dantonio is listening.

10/23/2018 - 10:21am Brian, Seth, Mods -


Brian, Seth, Mods -

The edit feature on the depth chart is still disabled. Could one of you update this, and verify that the depth chart is correct? For instance, Singleton is still on the depth chart at ILB. Thanks!

10/22/2018 - 6:04pm I would most/least like to… I would most/least like to play Iowa in the Big 10 championship. MOST, because it would give UM the opportunity to beat all the best teams convincingly. LEAST, because Iowa is one of those wierd teams that manages to win when you least expect it. They would be tougher than anyone else in the West.
10/22/2018 - 5:24pm OSU. Always OSU. That's the… OSU. Always OSU. That's the most important thing this year, and probably every year. However, this is a false choice. "(assuming only one of those things were possible and I had to pick)." If we beat OSU, I am pretty confident we will win the Big 10, and that we will go to the playoff. And I hate these false dichotomys, these "Sophie's Choice" questions.
10/22/2018 - 12:01pm Completely agree. Hope Davis… Completely agree. Hope Davis recovers well and as fully as possible, and is able to play in the NFL.
10/22/2018 - 11:59am I think you should leave… I think you should leave Nassar out of this. Don't conflate that with whether or not and to what degree Lewerke practiced this week.
10/17/2018 - 8:05pm The other thing I had… The other thing I had wondered about was how we were going to fit all the incoming recruits. Now I see the answer. The reality is that between guys graduating, potentially entering the NFL early, getting a firm handshake (no 5th year), and transferring, we are going to need every last recruit they have accepted a commitment from in 2019.
10/17/2018 - 8:01pm It's a bummer, but I kind of… It's a bummer, but I kind of get it. If you really want to play, and you're stuck behind two guys who are in all likelihood not going anywhere themselves, and who will continue to get most of the snaps, maybe you go somewhere else where you are going to see the field. The days of solid players being buried down the depth chart are probably over for the most part. It is the world we live in.
10/17/2018 - 2:10pm mGrowOld, have your friends… mGrowOld, have your friends commented on this policy? Because it is a huge loss for them and huge gain for us. Also, do you have a feel for whether or not Warinner is comfortable with staying in an OL position coach position? With as important as this position is, I really hope Michigan can fire the money cannon and keep Warinner around for a long time.
10/17/2018 - 1:59pm Every game is important. But… Double post. Nothing to add except beat MSU handily.
10/17/2018 - 1:59pm Every game is important. But… Every game is important. But I hear what you are saying. We have to get the "can't win against true rivals" monkey off our back. We have to get the "can't win on the road against a team with a pulse" monkey off our back. This game combines both rival and road game, as does TOSU. But we also have to get the "can't beat MSU and Dantonio even though they have less talent" monkey off our back. I am hard pressed to say I would accept a loss vs. TOSU. I can't do that. But right now, we need to figure out a way to win this game. I don't know what it is, but I think Michigan finally really gets how seriously they need to take this game. I am 100% positive there will be no let up. I don't remember a game that Harbaugh ran up the score. But I would want to see the team play hard and be up multiple scores if at all possible. Postscript: while I don't like it, that Fox commercial about UM and MSU is classic. And man, if I was an MSU fan or player, that smirk and snark and smile from Mike Hart would just enrage me. And personally, I'm not a big fan of Michigan fans (or MSU fans, or OSU fans,) who are complete arrogant assholes. Be a gracious winner, and a gracious loser.
10/15/2018 - 11:44am If only people cared or…

If only people cared or really knew what a POS Urban Meyer is..

I understand that this is the take of many Mgoblog partisans. But can you give some documentation? It would be appreciated. Because, I have heard many recruits and parents take an opposite position.

10/14/2018 - 12:17am Go to ESPN. Two clips of the…

Go to ESPN. Two clips of the interview are up, that's how good it was. There is no link, since it is in ESPN, but it is worth going over there.

Winovich:  "The revenge tour has officially commenced." "I can't wait for Michigan State next week."

Shea:  "I just want to know how your hair is so perfect right now . . . you just played a game."

Winovich:  "It's all the product."

You couldn't shut Winovich up, and it was wonderful.

10/14/2018 - 12:06am Ok, that makes a ton of…

Ok, that makes a ton of sense with Winovich. They both play DE, albeit different positions. Henry is ranked much more highly, a 4 star SDE around top 50 nationally. Also crystal balled 100% to OSU. Would love to pull the number 2 kid in Ohio to Michigan away from the Buckeyes.

10/13/2018 - 11:59pm Thanks! Just looked up…

Thanks! Just looked up Jameim. . . from Cincinnati, 4 star kid. Not bad. See 100% crystal balls to OSU, and no offer from the Buckeyes yet. Michigan's LB crew is a lot better than OSU right now. Would love for him to come here and spurn OSU.

10/13/2018 - 11:54pm Loved that interview. Would…

Loved that interview. Would have loved to see the dancing referred to just before the interview. She couldn't shut him up, he was more energetic than the pink bunny. My wife cracked up, "who is this guy?" Also loved the interview interaction between Winovich and Shea. And loved to see him recruiting at the end.

10/12/2018 - 8:32am ??? Warde has nothing to say…

??? Warde has nothing to say . . . all dictated by TV networks. Fox (and ABC, and Big10,) get to choose which games are night games, as long as chosen just shy of 2 weeks in advance. They don't want tomato can games at 7:30pm. iirc, up to 3 conference night games in a 2 year window? And it is all about eyeballs and the resultant money. Should we win vs. Wisconsin and MSU, I wouldn't be surprised if PSU is a night game (or at least a 3:30pm start.) I can't remember the rule, but I believe the school (Warde) can veto night games in November. However, I could see Warde allowing PSU game to be at night, if the request was made.

10/12/2018 - 8:25am I'll watch it in whatever…

I'll watch it in whatever resolution it is broadcast in. However, because I'm watching over the air, there is no cable TV data compression or restriction. I don't know all the details, but generally broadcast resolution is higher than what comes through any cable provider. Not that my eye will be able to tell the difference.

10/11/2018 - 10:25pm I'm not going to get in the…

I'm not going to get in the night vs. day game debate, but it makes it much more difficult for those of us living more than 3 hours away. And with 4KUHD, plus starting the game an hour late and being able to skip a ton of commercials, and just hop into bed after the game, it becomes very attractive vs. going to the game.

With a day game, you can leave Friday, hit a hotel on the road at 11pm, drive the rest of the way, go to the game, hit the road, and be home. With a night game, you really are forced to find lodging in Ann Arbor or the near vicinity. Not an easy or inexpensive thing to do. Us old farts like day games. Even 3:30pm is easier than 7:30pm.

09/24/2018 - 7:17am Wow. So many thoughts!


Wow. So many thoughts!

  • In general, perspective is good. Michigan isn't as bad as people thought after ND. And they're probably not as good as some people think after Nebraska.
  • There have been an awful lot of negative nancies in the fan base. For those of us who lived through the good years, things have sucked since late Lloyd. The positivity after Nebraska isn't all bad.
  • There still are segments of the fan base who display irrational exuberance. I can live with that. But I'm not a fan of smug arrogance. Wish that was stamped out forever. Winning against an 0-3 team doesn't prove a whole lot.
  • Until Michigan actually beats MSU, PSU, and OSU at least 50 percent of the time, the BPONE (Black Pit of Negative Expectations) is going to sway everything.
  • I do think that Warinner is making a difference, and that the OL is heading in the right direction. This for me is the biggest thing in the game. Getting actual PT in real games is huge. They still have a long way to do with playing against stunts and top level DLs. I still have huge doubts about playing TOSU.
  • I for one am happy with largely vanilla playcalling, and with holding back trick plays and wrinkles for the games where they are really needed. If the OL and RB can establish a dominant run game, that will help everything. And with Shea at QB, that helps keep opposing defenses from cheating against the run (packing the box) or adding an extra defender in the secondary.
  • For me, I try to remember "it's just a game" and not to have my mental happiness based on whether or not a bunch of kids 40 years younger than me win or lose.

I have adjusted my expectations for the season somewhat. At this point, 9-3 would be good and 10-2 would be wonderful. Most games should be winnable. A key goal is to obliterate MSU. And if Michigan could win vs. either PSU or OSU I would be delighted. Win against both? I would be ecstatic.

09/17/2018 - 1:51pm Que sera, sera.


Que sera, sera.

Either Wisconsin or PSU. Assuming PSU continues to do well, and the possibility of a no loss Wisconsin vs. one loss Michigan is gone, it has to be PSU. Imhe. But sadly, it is all driven by money. TV money, more specifically.

09/17/2018 - 12:30pm Whatever. Right now, they…

Whatever. Right now, they are knocking OSU more than they're knocking Michigan. For vastly different reasons, obviously.

09/16/2018 - 4:49pm The mods and proprietors can…

The mods and proprietors can do whatever they please.

But I will say, I don't go through the snowflake threads very often either. I'd personally much rather have more threads, and I can decide for myself whether I want to go to a particular thread.

I thought snowflakes started because in the old mgoblog version, you couldn't page down the thread titles easily. So it became very important to limit the number of threads. That no longer is the case, so I would much prefer that there be a plethora of threads. Snowflake threads? Not a fan.

09/13/2018 - 9:37am I no longer read enough or…

I no longer read enough or post enough to pick up on the trolls, and study their syntax, and their replies to each other. If and when they can be removed, great. However, generally, they seem to self-destruct / self-immolate.

09/11/2018 - 11:52am Where is Penn State?

Where is Penn State?

09/11/2018 - 11:23am While I disagree with the OP…

While I disagree with the OP, I'm not going to have a hissy fit about whether it is a terrible post or not. I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

However, I will address the content of the post itself.

  1. I'm thrilled to have multiple QB's on the roster, and be able to even have this conversation!
  2. Do we believe that the coaching staff knows what they're doing? In particular, does the OP think that JH (with feedback from Hamilton, and maybe McElwain,) made the wrong decision in starting Patterson over McCaffrey? Perhaps the OP has the coaching insight and acumen to do this. I certainly don't.
  3. Imhe, a good QB doesn't necessarily throw the ball the furthest or the hardest. A good QB leads the team to wins. I want the QB that gives Michigan the best chance of winning. If JH thinks that is Patterson, that's good enough for me.
  4. Regarding McCaffrey and PT, I'd love to see Michigan get way ahead in the next 4 games. Should we be able to do that, pull Patterson and put McCaffrey in the game, in the 3rd quarter even, definitely the 4th Q. You protect your starter from injury, you keep your starter fresh, and you give your 2nd string guy more experience, which could be needed. (As an aside, do the same thing at every position. More experience for the 2nd string is critical in building a team where it is "next man up" rather than "deer in the headlights." This is especially important at QB, and also on the OL.
09/10/2018 - 12:52am I hated being a Bears fan…

I hated being a Bears fan tonight. Just had that sinking feeling, especially when Fuller dropped the pic. Smh. Just like the game vs. OSU last year. Argh.

09/09/2018 - 1:33am You missed the sarcasm, from…

You missed the sarcasm, from what I can tell.

08/20/2018 - 1:48pm And that's with losing a…

And that's with losing a pounds worth of dreads.

08/20/2018 - 11:18am Recruiting is an interesting…

Recruiting is an interesting business. I completely agree with space coyote's observation that some kids leave other areas to come to Michigan, and some kids leave Michigan to go somewhere else. You can't pine for Zach Harrison in the Columbus area to come to Michigan, and then be salty that some kids from the Detroit area want to go to Columbus or points south.

I am interested, however, if there is a climate or vibe or type of player more attracted to one school than another. If you were hanging around the OSU or MSU or PSU or Wisconsin or Michigan locker room and the team, would they largely be the same? You could expand this to Stanford and ND and Bama and Georgia and Florida and Miami and Oklahoma and FSU. Part of the climate shifts over time with the changes in the coaching staff and the boosters/bag men and the academic climate and team success. Still, you routinely hear kids say about a team, "it felt like home." What makes Michigan feel like "home" to a kid?

Of course, I am a Michigan fan, and inclined to be charitable. But I have the sense that Greg Harden and Gwen Bush are invaluable as support staff for the team and for the climate. I would be incredibly naive to think that Michigan players are uniformly interested in academics. But having said that, I don't get the sense that Michigan is as much of a lawless party school as some settings. And if there are Michigan bag men, they maintain a pretty deep cover.

08/17/2018 - 2:04pm That's extremely generous… That's extremely generous and thoughtful! I actually had highlighted this game as one to possibly attend with my son. (He had asked about going to a game.) 12noon starts are the best possible games for us, because they allow us to get back to the Chicago area for work the next morning. I actually am very aware of NAMI. As a pastor, part of my job involves counseling, and referring individuals with significant counseling needs to counseling professionals. They are an excellent organization, and serve a wonderful purpose.
08/17/2018 - 12:03am I've got my copies. If you…

I've got my copies. If you want, I'll sell you one for what I paid, plus shipping. I'm in Chicago.