A note on Shea Patterson vs 3 Michigan QBs last year
Do these numbers (along with Ed Warinner coaching the offensive line) make you even a little excited about this years team?
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:54 PM ^
That sounds good, I'll take that please!
No one really knows what he's going to do, but for the most part overall it should be a positive. He came into camp and took the job. The fact that Harbaugh named him the starter over a player who's now been here three years, and a guy who's been here two years is a big deal. Harbaugh has said in the past he'll say the qb battle is over when someone comes in a wins it.
Since he did this with two weeks to go in camp that's a big deal. I imagine we will see more production out of him then we saw last year.
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:39 PM ^
Yeah honestly if anything that graphic lowers my expectations. The qbr is better than what we did last year but it's still pretty bad, like 5 losses this year bad.
Still have high hopes for shea and a big step forward for the offense as a whole, but that graphic is not the reason.
August 24th, 2018 at 7:55 AM ^
That’s a bad take. Michigan has one loss under Harbaugh where the QBR was above 50.
Look at the QB performances against MSU, Wisconsin and OSU. Those games all become VERY winnable with competent QB play.
August 23rd, 2018 at 8:01 PM ^
I agree with tempering expectations but Brian (Or maybe Sam W.) has quoted a figure that M has not lost a game under Harbaugh with a QB rating above X. I cannot remember what X is exactly but it is significantly lower than 59.
August 24th, 2018 at 7:55 AM ^
It was 50. Not significantly lower, but lower nonetheless.
August 23rd, 2018 at 6:13 PM ^
If he can do that this year I'm fairly confident we will win a bunch of games. Unfortunately, IMO the 3rd best team in the country is also in our division and we need to beat them to win the conference, but that will put us at least in the game, then anything can happen. It won't guarantee a win, but will give us a good chance.
August 23rd, 2018 at 6:15 PM ^
Nope still not excited... Spring and summer hype has not translated to great falls...So this does nothing
August 23rd, 2018 at 6:17 PM ^
Great googly moogly!
August 23rd, 2018 at 6:39 PM ^
Shea is going to have a run game this year and a D that’s going to give him field position. This is gonna be a good year.
August 23rd, 2018 at 6:46 PM ^
The OT spot dampens my excitement.
August 23rd, 2018 at 6:52 PM ^
Honestly, John O’Korn seems like a good dude, but he murdered us against MSU and OSU. Those two games are probably wins with even average QB play. Might as well throw South Carolina into that mix too.
The OL was bad, but O’Korn missed easy throws or threw bad picks.
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^
Agreed. I think in many cases last year it would have been better to just go Wildcat or even immediately Punt than let O'Korn play QB.
August 23rd, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^
I just remember sitting there watching open receivers watch as balls sailed over their head in the OSU game after the first quarter ... we HAD that game with an average MAC QB ... he was tragically bad. Shea not that.
August 23rd, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^
I just remember sitting there watching open receivers watch as balls sailed over their head in the OSU game after the first quarter ... we HAD that game with an average MAC QB ... he was tragically bad. Shea not that.
August 23rd, 2018 at 9:56 PM ^
The WRs were pretty trash too. Young and inexperienced is a lethal combo for a WR corp. Especially when paired with a mediocre QB.
August 23rd, 2018 at 6:58 PM ^
34 QBR is horrible, but 59 QBR isn't all that great either.
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:07 PM ^
I feel like I heard somewhere that under harbaugh, he’s only lost once when his qb has had a qbr over 50 or something to that effect. Like 15-1 or something
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:31 PM ^
Google didn't easily find that anecdote. Can you please confirm/chase it?
August 23rd, 2018 at 9:40 PM ^
Jordan Ta'amu replaced the injured Shea at Mississippi and while not as good as Shea delivered some high powered offensive moments. It is clear that Mississippi ran a prolific passing attack that delivered impressive offensive statistics.
I believe Harbaugh named Shea Patterson the #1 QB earlier than expected because Harbaugh recognized both that Shea is the best option and it would be beneficial to run as many plays with the first string as possible to develop timing with the young receivers and allow the coaching staff a greater opportunity to determine how best to call plays with Shea.
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:20 PM ^
We don't need elite on the O side of the ball right now. All we need is a good QB and a solid O-line. Do that along with our D, and you've got the wins.
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:25 PM ^
What would our record have been with Shea last year? 12-1?
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:49 PM ^
15-1?
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:40 PM ^
I'd be excited if the oline weren't an issue.
August 23rd, 2018 at 7:50 PM ^
But that's why I had Ed Warinner's name in the post. :-) Be happy.
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:29 PM ^
A name does not fix a line in a year.
We can do regressions until Ed Feng climaxes. This will not disprove the point.
August 23rd, 2018 at 8:40 PM ^
QB will be adequate, at least.
Only concern: OL. And really just OTs. Hard to be a champion without all positions solid. We are in the “maybe zone”. Champion teams need to be 2 deep everywhere. Or be lucky. We are neither.
Sorry. Truly I am. But Runyan and who? And #3 OT is a freshman?!!?
I’m totally excited for the season but I don’t know. It’s a big hole, the OT, and a lot of what ifs. Top teams don’t have any holes in their OL. We do have a top D everywhere. We do have very good rbs and receivers. Probably good to very good qb. Having all that is required, but not sufficient (without OL quality and depth), for being elite.
But I could be wrong. (Hope so.)
but I love this team and can’t hardly wait to watch them.
August 23rd, 2018 at 9:21 PM ^
Im so ready for this season to start!! We have the opportunity to shut up so many opposing fanbases in their home field. Cant wait!!
August 23rd, 2018 at 9:36 PM ^
Let’s goooooooo
Handle everyone in front of you men. Cause you know you can
hail, hail to Michigan
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:01 PM ^
Now to be the stick in the mud, but he threw for a ton of yards and several TDs against the 2-3 tomato cans on their schedule and then came back to Earth (relatively) against the better competition.
Now one could argue that it doesn’t matter because all of our QBs looked bad last year regardless of who they played. For the most part, you’re not wrong. I’m just trying to temper my own expectations.
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:02 PM ^
I think MI crushes ND in week 1 and from there the train starts rolling. MI gets better on offense in key positions of QB and O line this year. I don't see anyone beating you guys until OSU and I think that's a crap shoot call right now. MI is really the only team in the BIG that's going to get noticeably better this year. MSU offense is terrible and they did nothing to get better. PSU loses huge production and a critical position coach. Wisconsin they have an O line but I don't see their qb beating you. They won't run on you. This could be the year for you guys. Not sure I like saying that, but with the mess at OSU might as well cheer for Harbaugh this year.
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:18 PM ^
Assuming you're a buckeye fan, very kind of you to say that on a rival board. Hope you're right but osu will always be tough. Should be a good season for both teams.
August 23rd, 2018 at 11:55 PM ^
Yeah Buckeye fan. But love the big picture of cfb. I was intrigued by all the people picking notre dame to beat you guys, and when I looked into it I just couldn't see that happening. They lose so much on offense and their qb is borderline terrible. Then I started looking at MSU and PSU and it's the same story. They're declining and you guys are rising. I'm not confident that Meyer will be coaching by the time OSU plays MI so that leaves some room for MI to have a huge game at the shoe. My big concern for MI is that they don't melt down if they do lose to ND. Even if you guys lose to ND you can still make play offs if you keep the wheels from falling off the bus.
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:20 PM ^
I'm optimistic, since the passing game can not be any worse than last season. If Shea can complete 60 percent of his passes and throw 2 TDs per game, and ony have one INT every other game, it would be huge improvement over last season.
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:52 PM ^
Only if all 8 TDs come against OSU this year.
August 23rd, 2018 at 11:34 PM ^
I’m going to go ahead and get excited.
Forget the stats. Shea has “it.” That is what this team needs. Somebody with some leadership and toughness to push it forward during critical game moments.
There will be some rough moments pass blocking but Warinner will clean up the basic stunt whiffs and Shea will erase some other issues with his ability to move the pocket.
The D will dominate and take pressure off of the offense.
The rest will be history. I believe we have finally turned the corner.
August 24th, 2018 at 12:51 AM ^
These stats dont account for his legs either, which could be a really big deal. Moving the chains on the run will help us sustain drives and at the very least give our D a break. With our playmakers this year though, hopefully sustaining a drive by tucking and running on 3rd and 7 will lead to touchdowns instead of punts on 4th and 4. A running QB does make me nervous of health issues, but with our OL that might not matter.
August 24th, 2018 at 3:21 AM ^
To be fair, you need to remove O’Korn’s bias in numbers from the other two. O’Korn is responsible for 4 of our 5 losses, most of the INTs, and more.
August 24th, 2018 at 8:46 AM ^
I know this is supposed to make me feel better but a 59 QBR doesn't strike me as very good.....and he threw a lot of INT's. Hopefully he can tone that down ... we need the OL to finally step up here or we are through.