Semi OT: Barwis' methods under fire as a result of Met injuries

Submitted by ChalmersE on

A couple of nights ago, after yet another Met injury, former Met and current Met broadcaster Ron Darling lambasted the Mets' training program, essentially a slam at Mike Barwis' methods. Barwis was hired by the Mets a couple of years ago to manage their training program. The Mets' Assistant GM is now defending Barwis, but in the NYC media circus, this could get interesting. Here's a link to an article on the controversy: http://metsmerizedonline.com/2017/06/john-ricco-weve-seen-lots-of-posit…

lhglrkwg

June 29th, 2017 at 11:46 AM ^

I'm actually trying to figure out what Barwis' claim to fame is. I remember we were all psyched for him and I don't think anything notable happened - though no S&C program in the world was going to make those 2008-2010 teams significantly better

I'm starting to think he's similar to Richrod - got a great claim to fame in watching Pat White & Steve Slaton gut the Big East and both became regarded as Elite in their fields. Since they've moved on from WVU, I don't think either has done much to indicate that they truly are elite in their fields

FauxMo

June 29th, 2017 at 11:59 AM ^

Imposing gravely voice, former MMA fighter, insane motivational speeches...

Actually, I think the UM fan base was excited to have them because RichRod had managed to produce pretty amazing teams with unheralded players, many of who went on to the NFL. The natural assumption was that while RIchRod's system played a big part in that, these kids were getting amazing training from Barwis that played a big part as well. 

Yeoman

June 29th, 2017 at 5:21 PM ^

I posted something here back at the time on this: During RR's time at WVU only South Florida, among Big East teams, had put fewer players into the NFL. I wasn't thinking about Barwis but I assume it applies to him as well.

I didn't, and still don't, know which way to think of that. On the one hand it was an amazing run of success given the lack of NFL-level talent they apparently had had. On you could say it was just as amazing that they could have enough talent to be at the top of their conference and get so little of it into the league.

JFW

June 29th, 2017 at 1:21 PM ^

He looked just like his picture and scared the $hit out of me. Lined up two kids from rival schools and had them hold a plate at chest height while staring at each other to see who would give up first. 

 

It was awesome. 

Kevin13

June 29th, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^

a potted plant probably would've had a better S&C program then Gittleson had. I coached at UM's camp the last year he was there and I was blown away by how archaic our weight room was and the type of program he was still running. 

Actually knew an NFL head S&C coach and talked with him and a couple of former Wolverine players about that same time about their program. Mentioned Gittleson to them and about all they could do was roll their eyes and try not to laugh out loud about his S&C program. Basically said the 70's called and they wanted their machines back.

Reader71

June 30th, 2017 at 10:27 AM ^

For what it's worth, I know of at least 2 NFL teams that used his program circa 2008. No idea if they still do, but high intensity training will never go away, even if it continues to be supplemented with other methods. And Kevin Tolbert, our current S&C coach, is a Gittleson guy. I will say that nutrition wasn't his strength, and that they had just brought in a dedicated nutritionist in my day. But his ability to add strength and reshape the body was excellent, no matter what the blog will tell you.

MGoMatt30

June 29th, 2017 at 12:05 PM ^

This first notable thing I recall about Barwis was helping Brock Mealer to walk again.  Having followed him on twitter since his time at Michigan, he's helped numorus other people regain their ability to walk as well.  He shouts out accomplishments for all of the pro althletes that have trained with him, for which there have been quite a few.

He's opened three gyms in Michigan and one in Florida.  He also had a show on discovery called America Muscle a few years ago.

No idea how any of that translates to training baseball players...

LSAClassOf2000

June 29th, 2017 at 2:08 PM ^

You know, this descrption also fits a couple people I know who are also huge believers in the walking meeting, which is awesome except when it goes into a second hour and some of the people in the group who - unexperienced in mildly strenuous workouts as they may be - do exactly that and puke. 

cbuswolverine

June 29th, 2017 at 3:53 PM ^

Unless you know something about S&C that we don't know, it makes no sense to question his credentials. His 'claim to fame' would be helping paralyzed people walk and apparently being very good at training athletes at a level with which 99% of us have very little familiarity. We only even know the guy's name because he was at Michigan. Name a trainer for another MLB team and tell me why they are better than Barwis or vice versa. Nobody here knows.

Kevin13

June 29th, 2017 at 4:07 PM ^

strength coach at two Power 5 Universities.He has opened his own gym and has had results with helping getting people with spinal injuries to actually walk again. He is now a strength coach for a professional team and he has had several professional athletes seek him out to prepare them to play at the highest level.

Maybe it's just me but that's a pretty good resume.

jmblue

June 29th, 2017 at 8:43 PM ^

I have no doubt that Barwis is very good at his job.  But I think the same of basically all the other strength and conditioning coaches in Division I - these guys are at the top of their field.  The mistake people made was to assume that Barwis would give us a competitive edge over everyone else.

Yeoman

June 29th, 2017 at 5:27 PM ^

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The documents — which include correspondence, symposium programs and annual reports — show that the Sugar Research Foundation (as it was named at the time) paid professors who wrote a two-part review in 1967 in the New England Journal of Medicine. That report was highly skeptical of the evidence linking sugar to cardiovascular problems but accepting of the role of fat. The now-deceased professors’ overall conclusion left “no doubt” that reducing the risk of heart disease was a matter of reducing saturated fat and cholesterol, according to researchers from the University of California, San Francisco, who published their report online September 12 in JAMA Internal Medicine.
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Following the publication of the Harvard report, fat and cholesterol went on to hijack the scientific agenda for decades, and even led to a craze of low-fat foods that often added sugar.

 

drjaws

June 29th, 2017 at 2:36 PM ^

is not bad for you.  It is one of those "vaccines give you autism" things.

One lab doing shoddy work (at best) comes up with wonky results (that no other labs can recreate) who then goes on health food websites and gets people to freak out for no reason.  People have been eating Carrageenan for over a hundred years.  It's fine for you.  Actually, current, well designed research suggests it helps lower bad cholesterol and triglyceride levels while upping good cholesterol.

My source?  I have run most of her (Tobacman's) work exactly as she specified in materials and methods and have been able to recrete zero of her results.  Also, we used characterized (i.e. food grade) carageenan and had it analyzed for contaminants by a GLP lab.  She didn't.  Double also, I have ghost written many of the claims that are contradictory claims.  Her lab does shit work and people should know that.  Triple also, all our work that showed hers was a crock was done under full GLP.  Her's wasn't.

chrisbar1104

June 29th, 2017 at 11:54 AM ^

From an outsiders perspective reading a few Mets' forums, it seems like 

1)  Mets' fans recognize Barwis isn't the man for the job (especially when most of his resume consists of football players), but:

2)  Wilpon is the target of all the hatred and refuses to let go of Barwis.  Basically, fuck anything Wilpon.

 

Whether any of this is true is interesting to say the least.

Prince_of_Nachos

June 29th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^

If Barwis is responsible for Noah Syndergaard's off-season training regiment, then he should get fired.

Syndergaard, who was already throwing 99 mph last year, added 17 lbs of muscle in the offseason. There is a great FanGraphs article about why this was almost certainly a bad idea from the start (here), and it landed him on the DL less than a month into the season.

This situation sounds like a football trainer out of his depth in a baseball environment, where flexibility and efficient motion are far more important than just adding muscle.

uncle leo

June 29th, 2017 at 1:24 PM ^

Any trainer who "causes" the pitchers they work for to deal with big time shoulder surgeries. 

I would like to think that Barwis sure knows what he's doing sport by sport, because he has trained plenty of baseball players. He doesn't just have people get randomly jacked for no reason.

WestSider

June 29th, 2017 at 12:07 PM ^

trainer should have, or have access to, education and techniques for a variety of athletes and their specific sports. I just don't know if Barwis flunked on that or not.

uncle leo

June 29th, 2017 at 12:18 PM ^

But the Mets fans/media being angry about Barwis for injuries is crap. They are no more injured than every other MLB team out there currently.

He's coming under fire because it happened to Syndergaard and Cespedes. If these injuries happened to the no namers, Mets' people would not say a word.

His Dudeness

June 29th, 2017 at 12:37 PM ^

Mike is a hell of a guy and a great trainer. People in Michigan should be happy he set up roots there. I know I am.

He trains athletes for  multiple sports and at different levels.

This is just bad luck for the Mets. The injury bug is random and in baseball it happens more often than not due to the 100% on or 100% off for long periods of time nature of the game.

This is just a bullshit hot take from an idiot who has no idea what he is talking about.

Brimley

June 29th, 2017 at 4:24 PM ^

I tried a hundred times to post a video of nasty baseball injuries without any success.  I guess it's not to be.  Anyway, there's nothing as fun as getting hit in the face with a baseball (my nose and a ball had an intimate experience and it wasn't something I care to repeat).

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stmccoy

June 29th, 2017 at 1:07 PM ^

Yeah Barwis is the biggest issue with the Mets.  They are still paying Bobby Bonilla and just hired a front office guy with zero background in baseball because he's a friend of the owner's son.  

MGoStrength

June 29th, 2017 at 1:13 PM ^

Baseball is a very challenging group to train and to keep healthy.  In general, baseball culture does not have the same sort of training enthusiasm as say football or hockey who both like to train.  Basketball players also seem to not have a culture of loving training either.  However, baseball has the added difficulty of being an incredibly long season, especially at the MLB level and it involvles a ton of travel, eating out, sleeping in hotel beds, etc.  And, games are typically played at night.  It's not an ideal dynamic for overall health.  

 

Add to that a culture of principles that are counterproductive to improve athletic performance and/or maintain health like pitchers pitching really high pitch counts, playing year round in multiple leagues, not taking time off throwing, early specialization, overuse injuries, a poor understanding of the biomechanics used in baseball by youth coaches, etc.

lilpenny1316

June 29th, 2017 at 1:39 PM ^

Syndegaard was filming a cameo for GoT, so why not blame that?  And Cespedes had injury issues with the Tigers and Red Sox also. 

Barwis wasn't around when Matt Harvey had to have Tommy John surgery.  Every team deals with injuries.