in re: is GRIII on a tear
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|3 years 7 weeks ago||I've read that twice now||
but do you have evidence? Not flaming, honestly asking. Do we have a chart of increased benches or squats? Decreased injuries?
|3 years 7 weeks ago||Great Points||
Barwis was good, but wasn't superman. Given another year to get guys bigger? Who knows. Gittleson may have become stale (I don't know, some seem to think he did) yet he had alot of guys strong enough at the point of attack.
|3 years 7 weeks ago||Barwis was good, but not superman.||
He has some fantastic press; but its not like the Wolverines were supermen out there, or that our freshmen were playing with the strength and speed of sophomores. I'm willing to bet that the new S&C guy will slip in and have our guys doing just fine.
I've been powerlifting for 20 years now; and one thing is sure: many techniques work just fine. Its the work and intensity you put into them. Often 'NEW!' techniques are revisions of old ones. Don't buy into all the hype, and Barwis had alot of hype with him. I'm not saying he's not competent; he clearly is very good at what he does. But when he came I remember reading people who thought that somehow Michigan was going to be putting Olympian gods on the field. Didn't happen.
|3 years 7 weeks ago||Well...||
Coming in, yes. But that enthusiasm seemed undimmed compared to the treatment Hoke got early on even after it got ugly.
We can agree to disagree about the offense (yes, it looked fantastic vs. poor teams. Against MSU (1) less so, Wisconsin and OSU, even worse, and MSU (2) UGH) or the state of the program left by Carr compared to RR.
The point is that for awhile It seemed verboten to criticise RR when he was here despite the badness that was happening that all can agree on. The attitude I read seemed to be 'We don't want to rip on the guy and hurt the program now, do we?' And if that is someone's stance, okay. But then it should follow that you don't take cheap shots at Hoke before the guy has done anything; because it will hurt the program.
Had RR stayed, I would have hoped like hell he would have put together an awesome year next year and things would have started to click fundamentals wise.
Now that he is gone, I hope the same for Hoke. It does seem that Brian has become more balanced in the recent posts; so maybe he was just pi$$ed over the search and the way it went.
Agree with 'Go Blue' entirely.
|3 years 7 weeks ago||I don't agree.||
Reading back on some of the RR stuff, he was an enthusiast. He could be critical, but it seems he was far more forgiving of RR even when things went sour than he is of Hoke when Hoke hasn't done anything bad yet.
"Brian's take on this hire and situation is spot on. It's underwhelming, especially when juxtaposed with having Harbaugh in the driver's seat right now."
Remember when there was a question of firing RR and hiring Harbaugh, I believe he said his reaction would be 'Meh'.
Which, along with the silly photos of Hoke, gives the impression that it was more enthusiastic for RR than truly balanced.
|3 years 8 weeks ago||Okay.||
But I think it goes beyond just being an analyst with a different opinion. I'm put in mind of the difference between Drew Sharp and Mark Champion in giving opinions on the Lions. Drew was (and is) almost always negative. Mark could be negative when warrented, but also pointed out the positive things when they occured.
Having picture after picture of Coach Hoke out there that makes him look bad is just silly and unreasonably negative. Ignoring or being continually underwhelmed by the good things that have happened is a bit over the top.
|3 years 8 weeks ago||Agreed.||
This is starting to bug me; and if we are working on the thesis that
A) We love this team, and
B) Negativity helped bring down RR and the team,
then it would seem to follow that even if we have a coach that isn't the one we want, you should avoid the negativity so that coach, and hence the team, can have success. I'm not saying you have to be stupid, but there have been positives to talk about.
If you don't you are either like one of those people who were irrationally against RR, or maybe you are more enamored with a scheme and an idea of college football team than this team in particular.
with the tone of some of the things Brian has said, I honestly wonder if he will keep the blog up if Michigan doesn't do well, or just went back to his horror situation of 9-3 and lose the bowl.
I don't think anyone is happy that RR didn't work out. I think everyone would have been much much happier if Michgan were 9-3 this year with a defeat of MSU or OSU. But it didn't, so lets hope things work out for Hoke. If they don't for him, then lets hope they work out for the next guy...
|3 years 8 weeks ago||I dig him.||
I hope RR does famously well wherever he ends up. But now Hoke is our Coach,
and the guy has a sort of backward charisma. I loved his presser. 'This is MICHIGAN for God's sake!' I'm in his corner. Here's hoping the team comes out with solid fundamentals and starts taking out some ranked teams next year.
|3 years 13 weeks ago||Sadly, I hope we aren't the WVU version of that in the future.||
'Michigan thought the same thing about another WVU coach. They thought if you are a success at WVU than you must be a success at Michigan. That didn't turn out the way they thought it would.'
I think Harbaugh is a better fit. But so far RR hasn't been a great fit at Michigan; and with our lousy D and special teams, i'm betting we'll still have problems next year.
|3 years 14 weeks ago||Well said.||
That sums it up for me. To me, the best thing that he could have done was stand up there, stuck his chest out and act confidently, and pretend there was no heat while he gave all the attention to the seniors and the class of '85. Not pressworthy, but giving the focus of the evening to those guys, and just being a class act.
|3 years 14 weeks ago||Agree in part.||
Sorry you got negged.
I actually actively pity RR. The pressure seems to be getting to him. This was just wierd, and not the right place or the right time.
As I've said before, I think Harbaugh is a better fit, and the right direction for the program. That said, if RR gets another year, I'll be pulling for the guy to win 11 right down the line. If he does get fired, i hope he finds another job that is a better fit.
But holy cow! He just seemed a bit unhinged with this! And Josh Groban? Really? C'mon! Its football! How about some Metallica at least! Ouch!
|3 years 15 weeks ago||I'd take Carr 2.0||
Decent guy. Good Coach. won.
The best thing would be for us to blow OSU up and go on to a 10 win season next year, and following years. But Carr was a good guy; and if Harbaugh came in and was like him, I'd be good.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||Agree.||
The ad doesn't bother me in the least.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||Could we please...||
stop insinuating that if you don't think RR is the best choice for the long term future of the program, you aren't really supporting the team? Its silly.
I don't think he is. I'll support him while he's here (I'd love to win at OSU, and I think he'll be here next year and I'd love to see wins over OSU, MSU, and Wisconsin while cruising to a Rose Bowl). But my feeling of the program and of him as a coach is that he isn't the best direction for us. Stating that doesn't make me less of a supporter of Michigan football.
Those who ripped LC for the last few years of his job, some of whom are ardent RR supporters, certainly didn't see themselves as bad fans at the time.
So, in short. Go Blue. Beat OSU. I'll be cheering for you and will take crap from my OSU friends if you lose. But I think Harbaugh is a better, more versatile coach who can adjust his style to what he has. Harbaugh isn't magic, and his being an alum is just a plus. So I'm not hidebound to the past, I simply think he would be the best coach available.
RR has a great offense, but he doesn't seem to have a great balance. Too much is sacrificed to the offense in way of scholarships and coaching attention. So I think it will lead to an unbalanced program that goes through peaks and valleys in the future.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||*grin*. I'm very chill||
It still my opinion the offense isn't rounded out; and its too QB dependant. That said, you make a good point about it being run by sophs. And, its what's there now. I'll be cheering for UM this weekend. I hope to God they win. I'd be on cloud nine if the D rises above itself and slows itself down, and Robinson shreds OSU.
I'm not expecting it, mind you, but that's what I'm cheering for and the hope is in the back of my mind. Nothing would make me happier than to have my concerns shown to be unfounded. But its okay to have questions and concerns about this Michigan team. That doesn't make one a bad fan.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||Yes.||
One one of the places where I give RR alot of credit is that the offense doesn't even seem to hickup with Tate coming in; when his game is so much different from Denards.
But I don't think Tate will put up the same numbers over the course of a season. Even over the course of a game you'd see D's starting to adjust to him, and he is easier to adjust to than Denard.
One more thing; If the offense needs to kill the clock, can it? What if it just needs a long drive to give the D a breather? Can it do that? Honest question.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||agree.||
Obviously it can score; but how good would this offense be without Denard? And how often does a talent like that come along? Why did we get blanked by Wisconsin? And why did we only put up 17 vs. State? The offense is good, but its not magic. And it has put a ton of gaudy statistics up against really bad teams that I see people leaning on really hard.
Its true. I'm not a huge fan of Rodriguez; but frankly, I'd rather just win. He'll get another year and I hope it all works out really well. My fear is that we spend another year going down this road, and maybe Denard gets hurt early; so our offense goes from vaunted to pretty good. And our defense is just a little better. So then next year we go 6-6 or 7-5 with alot of people saying 'Just wait till next year! Just wait till he gets more of his recruits!'
I think our team is like a top fuel dragster. It may go like hell down the track, but there is a damn good chance the thing will just blow up too.
So DB's choice, in my eyes, is hope that the thing stays together for everything to fall in place just right. If it does, he looks brilliant. If it doesn't, its time to change and we've blown one more year.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||GO BLUE||
|3 years 15 weeks ago||No quit...||
unfortunately, the games last more like three hours. And the No quit? Ugh. That's pure Wayne Fontes. 'This team has no quit...'
I hope Michigan turns around; but we can't keep getting trounced by good teams, going waaaay behind (which is partly on the offense not being able to score in the first half) and then losing despite a 'comeback'.
I want the team to win. I want a discipined team, winning a disciplined game with toughness and grit. Not a 'We almost won and did a great job the second half and we only coughed up the ball 2 times' effort against every ranked team.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||Can't agree||
Might disagree with Spielman; but the guy is a straight up dude. Stumps for his teams, puts his body on the line for his teams, went to the line for his wife; now a widower with a couple kids. I had season tix to the Leo's in the 90's and despite his OSU affiliations, Spielman has my loyalty.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||DC||
"If this team makes the necessary steps forward people kind of expect from maturation and a new DC, I fully expect UM's reputation to return. If they do get a new DC";
who knows if he'll be better. Will RR allow him to run whatever scheme he wants, and hire his own assistants?
|3 years 15 weeks ago||That said...||
I don't think RR is gone. I'd be stunned. Michigan is very conservative about such things, and he does have alot of reasons for his problems.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||Great post.||
'Rodriguez's tenure at UM is a joke to 95% of the world, and that is a huge problem."
I have MSU friends of mine taking up a collection to make sure RR stays.
I miss smash mouth football and good defense at UM. I want to believe that this O will magically transform against major teams next year, and that the D will be good enough to allow us to hang with them. But i don't see it. The O may get better... but not enough, I fear. And I don't see the D as getting much better at all.
Here's hoping we magically pull out a win vs. OSU.
|3 years 16 weeks ago||Not quite what I meant.||
But perhaps I wasn't clear. I meant I don't see much room for improvement in the coming years. We will be older, and have some more skill positions, but I don't see us being significantly better. The defense is still going to be bad. I hope I am wrong.
As to our progress from 3 wins to 7, yes. It exists. But...
Look at who we have won them against. i guess that is my point, Winning 7 games against very very weak opponents is progress, of a sort, but its pretty empty progress.
|3 years 16 weeks ago||Or...||
"Rodriguez continues to have a target on him because the team failed to cover the spready by 1 point in lousy weather!"
because we played poorly against a bad Big 10 team.
Again, I'd love a win vs. Wisconsin or OSU. LOVE IT. But our record doesn't indicate that our team will do anything against a good team. We are poorly disciplined and have an atrocious defense. What was the statistic, 14 turnovers in 4 games? Even if you win any advocate of the program has to be very worried about that!
|3 years 16 weeks ago||Probably.||
But by beating lousy teams. My worry is that Michigan is a big draw, with lots of pent up demand. So we might get a bowl against a good team and get our arses handed to us. In that situation, it doesn't help recruiting one bit.
|3 years 16 weeks ago||Your lips...||
To God's ears... but isn't NW more of a conventional pass spread?
|3 years 16 weeks ago||Umm... no.||
We have seven wins on the backs of lousy opponents. We have 3 losses to good teams. The offense was held to 17 points, at home, by State. Worrying about this doesn't make one an idiot.
I want Michigan to win. I want them to win against good opponents with solid play. I want them not to pad their record with a weak pre-season and bad Big 10 teams. I am very very worried for the next five years. RR is a nice guy. Denard seems to be a great kid. But we went from a Big 10 leader to a mediocre team that beats bad teams and is happy to go to a bowl. I don't see it improving much in the future. Sure, we might do well by padding our record again in the future, but I bet when we face a real opponent, we fail.
I hope I am proven wrong. But I don't see it.
|3 years 18 weeks ago||6-6||
I see us going 6-6. I don't see us winning vs. Illinois, Wisconsin, or OSU, but beating Purdue.
Of course, stranger things have happened, and who knows, 6-6 with a win vs. OSU and losses to everyone else could change how everyone looks at the program.
Personally, I think we're digging a bigger and bigger hole. Our recruiting went from #12 in '07, to #10 in '08, up to #8 in '09, but then plummeted to #20 in '10 and were currently at #27 this year. And I don't see any big future in sight for that defense; so even a 6-6 team this year and a 7-5 team next year still mean a team that is likely struggling and beating poor quality teams. That will hurt us looking for HS talent.
A switch may be more painful in the short term, but could give a boost to recruiting that can help us get a rebound that would be very hard with continued struggles.
|3 years 18 weeks ago||Of course I'll cheer for the team.||
These guys are kids; and I want to see them do well.
But its also okay to not like going from saying 'Wow, I was tired of going from losing to OSU regularly' to 'Wow, I'm tired of losing to OSU, PSU, MSU, Iowa, and Wisconsin' regularly.'
I want a disciplined team that is physical and can pound on offense, and crush on defense. I don't wish ill to RR or these players, but I do want a return to solid Michigan football and program stability.
We'll see what happens at the end of the year. FWIW, I don't see RR going anywhere; so I think this is kind of a moot argument.