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|7 hours 2 min ago||Ball talk. I love it when you||
I love it when you talk dirty to me.
|7 hours 6 min ago||You're still proposing that||
You're still proposing that someone doesn't care enough or doesnt try hard enough. And you give nothing to support it. You might have a case if you said our Athletic Department and AD were incompetent. In fact, your post argues just that. But you make a jump about passion and effort that isn't sustained by your own evidence.
Lets say that Hoke is a bad coach. We still pay him like a top coach, so what more can the AD do? The coordinators make a ton of money, and we just fires one who underperformed. What more can the AD do? The answer, the only one that makes sense is "hire better ones". Well, this is a knock against the ADs ability to judge coaches, i.e. competency. Not a lack of want or effort.
But I get it. It's easier to think that if we just tried harder, if the AD just cared as much as the fans do, that we'd be better. It's somehow comforting to think that the reason for our struggles isn't aptitude but desire. But I'll never get Kate Beckinsale into bed no matter how hard I try.
|16 hours 57 min ago||Agreed. If anyone blames||
Agreed. If anyone blames Coach Rod for anything in 2015, that person will be a fool. By that point, it will all be on Brady Hoke (despite Coach Rod being responsible for a portion of that years 5th year seniors, he gets a pass in my book). This is true whether he is the head coach or not. By 2015, Coach Rod will be completely irrelevent.
|17 hours 8 min ago||I don't havean excuse for the||
I don't have an excuse for the 2012 line. It wasn't very good, but it was not historically bad. That line actually protected the passer very well. The running game was weak, but they made enough creases for Denard to be effective. You are right, though, that the RB run game was poor. I thought the biggest problem was terrible line calls, not a lack of physical ability.
Still, I think that line sort of illustrates my point. Barnum and Mealer were not great players, but neither were they totally overmatched. I think this is because both of them were seniors getting their first time. Being seniors, they weren't dreadful, but neither were they great players or else they would have started earlier in their career. They were, in short, what most OL are. And because we had them to go along with some truly good players, the line was OK.
As far as Hoke, I am entirely biased in his favor. I hope he is never fired, wins a lot, and rides off into the sunset. This doesn't mean that he is entirely to blame for the young line, just as my love for Lloyd Carr didn't stop me from calling for his head after the Horror, or as my distaste for Coach Rod didnt lead me to blame him for the lack of experienced offensive players in 2008. Sticking to this debate is probably a good idea, rather than rehashing the coaching change debate all over.
|17 hours 51 min ago||But you must realize that the||
But you must realize that the AD is comprised of real, actual people not just corporate robot monsters? Dave Brandon played football for Michigan. He wants Michigan football to win. To deny this is just being overdramatic. He might have no idea of how to make that happen, but to suggest that he doesn't care is so unrealistic and personally disrespectful that it almost defies credulity. The AD probably does not live and die by every little thing like fans do, but don't forget that Brandon wrote an open letter to a recruit in an effort to land him. This is because he thinks that player will help the team win, not because that player will lead to any economic gain.
|18 hours 2 min ago||No amount of Hoke recruiting||
No amount of Hoke recruiting would have given us a senior OL this season. This problem, therefore, is the responsibility of the previous staff. This is not a blanket excuse for our problems on the line, but it is an explanation for why we have struggled and will do so again.
As for the lack of drafted lineman, it seems pretty irrelevent. Those lines, despite having few NFL players, were pretty good. They were never a weakness on our team. More to the point, we had a number of All-Conference guys, meaning they played well for us, so who cares about their NFL careers?
My theory is that guys like Mark Bihl and Rueben Riley (the two starters from the 03 class) didn't see the field until they were juniors and seniors. So when they got the call, they were not overwhelmed, even if they were never dominant. That is the difference between those lines and the current one. Kalis will almost certainly be drafted (all 4-year starters at Michigan have been) and will probably end up as a hell of a player. The problem is that did not help us one lick last year when he wasn't a hell of a player.
|1 day 9 hours ago||Anyone who has the gumption||
Anyone who has the gumption to lie to my face about "starving" as a college athlete is a punk. There are legitimate complaints to be made. Singing the blues about your empty belly is just bullshit.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Jesus, the kid is a||
Jesus, the kid is a sophomore. WHAT IS TAKING HIM SO LONG?!
|1 day 23 hours ago||It's a total load of||
It's a total load of bullshit, and it all comes from guys who think they are pros before, you know, going pro. Athletes have it made compared to the rest of the student body.
That said, they are young and dumb. And entitled.
|1 day 23 hours ago||If no one blocks, Nuss will||
If no one blocks, Nuss will struggle. As did Borges. As would any OC. I really hope we block people, and Nuss is a genius and Borges is a simpleton and all of our notions are confirmed and we live happily ever after, amen.
|2 days 23 min ago||Space Coyote is a jerk!||
Space Coyote is a jerk!
|2 days 29 min ago||Also, Brian makes it seem||
Also, Brian makes it seem like the logical answer is to play TE next to the OG. Brilliant.
|3 days 10 hours ago||This has been a source of||
This has been a source of confusion. Consensus was that most of our problems were due to Borges. He's gone and his spot has been filled by Nussmeier of Alabama. So why are people still so down?
I think the line will be improved. The scheme might help. But the fact that we could have 0-1 new starters is a huge factor that no one seems to consider. Losing Lewan and Schofield could be mitigated by having 5 guys that have all started. Fewer missed assignments. Fewer disasters. If we had cleaned some of that up last season, we win 2-3 more games.
|3 days 15 hours ago||Anyone who argues that game||
Anyone who argues that game attendance is meaningless is an idiot.
Ticket sales lead to money for the AD, which leads to money for the program, which leads to shiny new things, which leads to recruits, which lead to winning. And winning is the point.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Yes, yes, yes. It like what||
Yes, yes, yes. It like what I've tried to say about Glasgow. If Glasgow made his way into the lineup as the vast majority of Sophomore OL did, by being the one underclassman amongst a line full of upperclassmen, we would be frothing at the mouth about his potential. But because of the makeup of the roster, he was our oldest interior OL, and so many of his weaknesses (pass protection and deciding how and when to come off a combination block) were exposed rather than hidden.
The players on the list have all improved. But because the team was and is so young, we see a lot of their weaknesses. Ross might never be a thumper up the middle, and when Washington and Black were playing well inside, he didn't have to be.
|3 days 16 hours ago||The jury is not out. Every||
The jury is not out. Every one of those guys has developed. They haven't become Molk or Martin, and may never. That doesn't mean that they have not improved or have gotten worse
Look at Frank Clark. We are almost all down on him. Why? Because his production didn't reach the crazy arbitrary levels of hype that we set? Clark was a much better player in 2012 than he was in 2011. And if he makes a similar jump this season, he will be a first team All-B1G player.
The team has not developed as fast as we'd have liked. There is a lot of room to improve. But the jury isn't out on Frank Clark, he is a decent B1G DE who has yet to play his senior season. If you're familiar with college football, you probably know that the vast majority of players are best as seniors. The jury is out on someone like Tom Strobel.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Graham Glasgow is no Steve||
Graham Glasgow is no Steve Hutchinson, but he is a walk on who will have developed into a multi-year starter at Michigan.
I didn't think he was that good last year, as his pass protection was weak, but he did a nice job in the run game. HE WAS ALSO A SOPHOMORE MAKING HIS FIRST STARTS.
Glasgow will probably not ever be on any All-America lists, and he might not make any All-B1G. But he was our best interior lineman last year, and I promise you that was not the case when he showed up as a freshman; this is development.
If Glasgow played at his exact same level but was surrounded by the 2011 line, we would be talking about how great of a season he had and how Funk and Hoke are geniuses. This has been the case for almost all young OL at Michigan. They have always looked really good because they have been the one youngster amidst a line of upperclassmen. In 2016, some freshman or sophomore will play at exactly Glasgow's level, and we will marvel at how good he is because the guys next to him will make him look better than he is. This is the nature of line play.
This is becoming a fucking joke.
|4 days 12 hours ago||A tell-all book.||
A tell-all book.
|4 days 12 hours ago||Lets say he overcomes bad||
Lets say he overcomes bad line play via a great defense and miraculous QB play (something we expected of Borges last year). Does that make him good coach who should stay?
|4 days 13 hours ago||Yep. This is why its hard to||
Yep. This is why its hard to say we must win the B1G. This is why I hate, hate, hate, hate conference championship games. Michigan can be undefeated, going through State and Ohio and be nipped by a plucky 2 loss Iowa, and we're fucked.
Get to the championship is what we should demand. Stupid money.
|4 days 17 hours ago||Wins. If you win, no one||
If you win, no one cares about headsets or sideline demeanor. Or recruiting. Or development. Or conservative play calling
|4 days 17 hours ago||A lot of fans want him fired.||
A lot of fans want him fired. I don't see any reason to give those people more rope to hang you with. OSU fans have fun at a 40 contest because their team is winning. If we do a 40 contest, people will tell him to stop fucking around and use that time on important things. And God forbid someone blows a hamstring.
Full disclosure: I am a huge proponent of the fort mentality. Fans know very little and will turn out anyways, just as they did in 2008. The important thing is the team, and the fort keeps them protected from distractions.
|4 days 17 hours ago||I think Manning is better. I||
I think Manning is better. I also think that Brady is closer to him than to third place. Those are the best QB ever.
Anyways, Hoke has to win more games.
|4 days 17 hours ago||For Pasadena!||
|4 days 17 hours ago||The B1G now comes down to one||
The B1G now comes down to one game. So if he goes 12-1, we fire him?
I think getting to the championship game saves him, regardless of the outcome. That will have meant he had a good season.
|4 days 17 hours ago||When his team was winning in||
When his team was winning in 2011, that look was "stoic". Wins solve everything. Win, win, win.
|4 days 17 hours ago||Yes but QBs are measured by||
Yes but QBs are measured by how many wins their teams has.
People are so stupid. The kid never started before Hoke, so how could he have regressed? If you ever watched him practice as an underclassman, you know he was as green as they come. Or did he regress during his record-breaking season.
But Peyton Manning only has one Super Bowl ring, so he's no good.
Yes, I know its a non-sequitur. This seems to be how people think about football.
|4 days 18 hours ago||Gallon was not good before||
Gallon was not good before Hoke got here.
The rest of your post is full of opinions, but this claim is outright untrue. He had 4 catches before Hoke.
|6 days 13 hours ago||I was wondering the same. You||
I was wondering the same. You and I got the shaft.
|6 days 18 hours ago||I said it was possible. But||
I said it was possible.
But let us all remember the key thing to take away from this: I got screwed. Where the fuck were these guys when I needed some money?