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|1 hour 18 min ago||For every Watson and Branch,||
For every Watson and Branch, there is a Glen Steele or a Dan Rumishek, guys who would run for days. With S&C, you get what you put in. If Watson and Branch took plays off (they did) it is on them personally.
Either way, those guys were as strong as bulls. And even if they weren't in optimal shape, both were capable of really exploding into the OL when they has their lungs. They were strong and quick. Conditioned, not so much. But again, conditioning is generally between you and yourself. I know, because I was never in the shape I should have been in and it was no one's fault but my own.
The larger point is that anyone who tells you they have all the answers with respect to strength and conditioning is lying. Just look at the NFL, where almost everyone is supremely talented and fit. There is no one standard.
|2 hours 49 min ago||There is also evidence that||
There is also evidence that the Olympic-style lifts or the 'explosive' type of training that you suggest is positively correlated with the sorts of injuries I mentioned above. Michigan under Mike Gittleson did not do traditional squats, for example, as he believed they led to knee problems -- in those days, Michigan was never weaker or slower than their opponents.
I don't claim to have an answer, but our guys do look the part and I honestly don't think strength is or has been an issue. Our defensive line hasn't been perfect, for example, but every one of our sacks this season has been the product of a bull-rush or Clark jumping over a guy (explosion!).
The speed comments seem more apt. We do look a touch slow, but I think it is a byproduct of kids that don't know what to do or where to be. Paralysis by analysis. The defense, for the most part, doesn't look slow; I don't think it is a coincidence that there is where are good coaches are.
|6 hours 24 min ago||That's cool with me. But I||
That's cool with me. But I don't think the OP was asking to give Brandon another chance. He asked an interesting question that is much more about us as fans than Dave Brandon.
|6 hours 30 min ago||Have you ever seen a team||
Have you ever seen a team switch its scheme mid-season? No. Probably the closest thing we've ever seen is Lloyd breaking out the passing spread in the bowl game. But that was after having a month off and knowing he would never have to coach another game.
It doesn't happen. So pine for a firing after this season is over, but do not expect a new offense during it.
Moreover, have you ever seen Coach Rod or Chip Kelly run an under-center, gap blocking scheme? No. Coaches run the schemes that they are comfortable with and are hired to run.
Just chill, man. It is almost over. But it ain't going to change right now.
|6 hours 51 min ago||It doesn't seem like we've||
It doesn't seem like we've had a lot of muscle tears/pulls, tendon or ligament problems. Those things might point to S&C.
We've had a lot of ankles, reportedly a badly cut arm, reportedly bone spurs on the knee, a concussion, and a bad back. Those seem more luck/fluke than S&C.
One positive to Wellman has been the gains in strength. Our team is ripped to shreds and bulky as well. We have a team with fewer than 10 seniors, but we look like a team of upperclassmen w/r/t musculature.
I dont think we've gotten any worse as the games have progressed, so our conditioning seems OK. I dunno. I dont see S&C as a problem. Anecdote, I know, but Braden looks like Tarzan (good S&C) but has played like Jane (bad coaching).
|10 hours 5 min ago||If he hires a Harbaugh, and||
If he hires a Harbaugh, and that Harbaugh wins a lot of games for us, I will forgive him for everything and I suspect everyone else would, too.
I think demand for tickets would go up overnight and we'd have a bit of a wait list again. Ticket prices would continue to rise and we would gladly pay for them.
I dont know that any such hire is likely, but I also dont understand the board's unwillingness to entertain the hypothetical. The board is very Hoke-like in this regard.
|2 days 3 hours ago||Not sure about that. I'm||
Not sure about that. I'm pretty sure he wanted Hoke fired last year. Maybe I'm wrong.
|2 days 5 hours ago||You're one of the moral||
You're one of the moral victory guys, huh?
|2 days 6 hours ago||But 50% of those coaches are||
But 50% of those coaches are losers despite the headset. Wearing a headset is not in any way correlated with winning. Wrap your brain around that one.
|2 days 6 hours ago||The same is true of 99% of||
The same is true of 99% of head coaches. Most guys have a specialty on one side of the ball or the other. There are only a few exceptions (Saban, Belichick, Gary Moeller, etc).
If Dantonio loses his OC, he is lost. If Coach Rod loses his DC, he is lost. And on and on and on. Hoke could call a defensive game if he had to. Just like Dantonio. Neither would do very well calling an offense.
It is an interesting thing to think about, though.
|2 days 10 hours ago||There are a lot of really bad||
There are a lot of really bad coaches who wear headsets.
The headset is not an answer for those guys, and it wouldn't be an answer for Hoke.
|3 days 1 hour ago||I look at it differently from||
I look at it differently from a philosophical standpoint. The credit for 2011 falls mostly on the coach of that team. Sure, Lloyd brought them in and Coach Rod taught them for 3 years, but Hoke got them to perform at that level during that year.
That's not an effort to make Hoke look better either. He gets the discredit of having coached this team as well. I wont blame Coach Rod for recruiting Gardner, Ryan, etc. Hoke had to get them to perform and hasn't.
Whoever coaches here next year will get the credit for how Hoke's recruits perform. The coach of the team gets the credit or blame. Period. The one thing that might be an exception is a glaring roster omission: No OL in a class must be blamed on the recruiting coach, because the current coach has no one to get to perform. That's the one gripe I have with Coach Rod.
|3 days 8 hours ago||I'm talking specifically||
I'm talking specifically about the Harbaughs and Miles. They want the job because, presumably, it is special to them. But not special enough to work under someone they don't like?
According to Bacon, Les Miles has said, 'I would never say no to Michigan.' Presumably, Bacon left out the next part, 'unless it isn't situated ideally for me.'
I just don't like it.
You might only get once shot at this job, you don't turn it down because you don't like the AD. Unless the job isn't that important to you. Which brings me back to my original point. If the job isn't that important to a guy, I'm not sure I want him.
|3 days 10 hours ago||I agree. I think its ironic||
I agree. I think its ironic that if he does keep his job it will be because his contract will prohibit a firing. He wont be kept because he has done a good job, he might be kept because he just hasn't done a bad enough job to merit the U eating his contract.
|3 days 10 hours ago||I said I wanted a good, clean||
I said I wanted a good, clean football team that I can afford to watch. Clean is key to me. When Michigan gets caught cheating, I will be leading the charge to go University of Chicago on the program. If we become Ol Miss, we wont be my Michigan anymore. That's literally the only thing that could make me turn my back on M football.
|3 days 10 hours ago||I dont know. But if a guy||
I dont know.
But if a guy would let the AD come between him and the Michigan job, I'm not sure I want that guy.
|3 days 12 hours ago||I'm with you. I think Brandon||
I'm with you. I think Brandon stays, but with some ultimata from Schlissel. I just don't see them eating his $3M contract in order to pay another guy a ton of money to fix his mistakes if Schlissel can just order him to fix them.
As for Hoke, I think he is gone either way. Brandon will want another roll of the dice to try to salvage his tenure. I could see Hoke staying if we beat MSU and OSU as that would really show some progress, but that is about as likely as me boning Jessica Biel.
Funk is probably gone, Jackson is probably gone. Manning stays where he is. Wellman stays, as his results have been very good.
|3 days 14 hours ago||The point about it being a||
The point about it being a waste of Schlissel's time is a good one. Maybe that is grounds for firing in and of itself. But he's the president; everything that happens here is his responsibility.
What I will say is that as long as I get what I want, I'm happy. And I don't care how I get it. It seems like that opinion is out of the ordinary. But, man, I just want a good, clean football team that I can afford to watch. That's just me.
I will be honest in saying that I don't really care about other sports, I don't care about skywriting or noodles. I don't care about the price of water because I've never purchased a bottle at the stadium at any price. I am not crazy about the music, but I'm probably the only guy on here who hates the new(ish) skyboxes. But that's personal preference, and I realize that the skyboxes are good for the school and the program.
I'm not defending Brandon. I don't think he has been particularly good or bad, but I lean bad because of what I read on here. He has done nothing to affect my experience as a Michigan fan. I do think that because he has been meh, a lot of other guys could do the job, and I'd be fine if they did. I just think the guy himself is a lot less important than the things he does. And if we get what we want, I don't care what his intentions are.
|3 days 14 hours ago||I agreed on the well being||
I agreed on the well being poisoned.
The rest was sort of a stream of conscience rambling. But nothing DB does will ever be good enough because the damage has been done. Like the Coach Rod scenario, which you brought up and made me want to reply.
You (or the guy you replied to) also mentioned that no matter what Brandon does, he hired Hoke, which is unforgivable. That's what led to me talking about football being the driving issue.
|4 days 3 hours ago||But why does his intention||
But why does his intention matter? We get what we want.
I honestly don't care if Brandon did this to save his job or if he did it because Schissel pointed a gun at his head, which is what I suspect. He did it. It's good. We need some more gun-pointing.
|4 days 4 hours ago||That's your right. I don't||
That's your right. I don't fault you for it. They have done a bad job this season.
But look at the 2010 defense. It was poor, and the coaches were poor. But they still played Roh, RVB, and Martin on the DL. They played Demens at Mike. They played Floyd and Avery at corner and Kovacs at S. Even that staff knew who their best guys were and played them at the right positions for the most part (although they abused Rod by moving him around).
And look at Jack Miller. He was benches last season for playing poorly. He won the job this year for playing well.
Bad coaches generally either can't teach or don't deploy their players in the optimal way. They really don't just miss spotting their best guys.
|4 days 4 hours ago||I agree. This whole thing is||
I agree. This whole thing is about the football team being poor and people wanting the coach gone.
I asked questions about this scenario weeks ago. It seemed obvious to me that Schissel would try to force DB to make some changes before he fired him and ate his contract. So, I asked, what would make us happy in the event that DB sees out his contract?
The answer seems to be nothing. People are shitting on him for lowering student ticket prices! And caving even further (standing meetings?)!
This gives credence to the belief that the whole Fire Brandon thing is a farce that is only focused on the failure of the football team and not, in fact, about prices, music, skywriting, or noodles. Which is fine. But let's be transparent.
|4 days 6 hours ago||Wouldn't it be nice if he||
Wouldn't it be nice if he meant what he said and stayed at MSU for a long time and made them a consistent winner?
Quaint idea, I know.
|4 days 6 hours ago||Coaches, not just ours, have||
Coaches, not just ours, have to manage the team day to day. If Glasgow didn't play as much as he has on the past, there are usually a few reasons for that:
he is being punished for doing something bad, like having a bad week of practice;
the guy behind him is being rewarded for doing something good, like having a great week of practice;
they liked the other guy's skillset for a particular matchup, like knowing PSU was going to throw on most of their snaps and wanting a better pass rusher in there;
or its a mistake.
Its usually not a mistake. Even really bad coaches know who their best players are. Its not like they inherited Glasgow and don't know what he can do -- they named him opening day starter when we all thought it was Pipkins or bust.
|4 days 9 hours ago||I get a ton of pop-ups when||
I get a ton of pop-ups when viewing the site on my phone. It is literally the only site that does that. Until it started happening, I didn't even know my phone could get pop-ups.
It's a Windows Phone btw, which has no known viruses, and considering there are only like 5 of us in the world who use it, there probably never will be. My Surface, Android Tablet, and PC are pop-up free. Weird.
|4 days 17 hours ago||Why are we worried about the||
Why are we worried about the state of Belgrade and not the attempted ethnic cleansing of Kosova by the Serbs?
|5 days 12 hours ago||He gets points for that. But||
He gets points for that. But he loses point for hiring Bobby Petrino. He is a mercenary, and a poor recruiter whose programs tank after he leaves, and always leaves on a bad note.
I don't want Long. If you guys do, that's fine. But I don't.
|5 days 13 hours ago||I might rather have Dave||
I might rather have Dave Brandon than the guy who hired Bobby Petrino.
Bates or Manuel or someone who has not hired Bobby Petrino please.
|6 days 9 hours ago||But that's not what I'm||
But that's not what I'm saying. I have a source who is close to a member of the staff who gave me that 33% figure.
Without it, I'm speculating. But I'm not without it.
|6 days 13 hours ago||Yes, his one game makes him||
Yes, his one game makes him more qualified to judge football coaches than Beilein and Hutchins. To get into that game, he had to have been a part of a football team and had to have dealt with football coaches. He can still be wrong, but he is more qualified. Have you ever heard of a basketball coach hiring a football coach?
The pizza company experience makes him more qualified to manage the athletic department's finances than Beilein or Hutchins. Not really relevant in this debate(?), but there is some value in having run a large operation for someone who wants to run the Michigan AD.
Get a grip, guys.