This is maaaaybe premature there, ESPN. Maryland #1 FWIW.
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|2 hours 31 min ago||*Who's If that is going to be||
If that is going to be our rallying cry, let's get it right. Or else we start saying the teem, the teem, the teem.
|3 days 4 hours ago||I don't think Pipkins is||
I don't think Pipkins is another story. I think Pipkins is a perfect example. I don't think there was anything nefarious there, nor do I think there will be anything nefarious here. But that still looked bad on M's part, and I think there is a very similar risk here. M comes out looking kinda bad even though it will likely he undeserved.
|3 days 8 hours ago||I think the coaches know||
I think the coaches know where those scholarships are going to come from, and considering they were open to taking a few more recruits, I think there will he some room to spare.
I'm not making any sort of accusation against the staff. I wish that to be clear.
But the way the system is set up, at least 4 guys must leave. So, even if the coaches know that 4 guys plan to quit football entirely and everything is on the up and up, there is a chance that the timing of the announcements makes M look bad, ala Pipkins last year.
|3 days 10 hours ago||How can they be considered||
How can they be considered trying out for a spot if it is known that 4 guys will have to leave? Suppose all of those guys play great and end up on the two deep? Where do we get those 4 scholarships then? Hope younger guys transfer? But you can't force someone to transfer, ethically.
I'm hoping we lose 4 guys between today and spring ball. Then, in the spring, those 5th year guys are actually competing for their spots. If they don't make it, there will be no doubt that it was merit-based. And those scholarships that are freed up can be given to worthy walk-ons. That's the best case scenario.
|3 days 10 hours ago||Fact remains, there is a||
Fact remains, there is a sword of Damocles hanging over everyone's heads.
When 4 spots MUST open up, that means 4 guys must leave. If people leave before spring ball, this looks like an informed staff covering their losses. If it comes after spring ball, this looks like a staff cutting guys who didn't make the depth chart. This is something all M fans have railed against til now.
|6 days 8 hours ago||I think his feet can best be||
I think his feet can best be classified as "nimble". That is, he moves them pretty well when he's already in motion. But he is pretty slow to get them moving.
This shouldn't be a surprise; there is just a lot of inertia to overcome when a 350-plus pound body is at rest. Thats why I don't see him ever taking a snap above 330, and preferably 320 or less. At that weight, his nimble feet might actually be quick.
I don't know if he can play D at all, but if he doesn't drop some weight, that might be the only place for him. If his first step doesn't improve, he might still end up a nice space-eating 1-tech, who doesn't need a great get off to penetrate (that sounds dirty but I'm leaving it).
|6 days 9 hours ago||29 guys and only 3 OL is||
29 guys and only 3 OL is kinda scary to me. But it suggests that they like what they have in the building and what they think they'll have in 2017. I think they really, really like 77.
I think Bredeson is a T anyways. He's not particularly tall or long-armed, but he has the athletic frame of a tackle. Onwenu will have to lose 50 pounds. His weight scares me. He's the last guy on the line of scrimmage to get out of his stance way too often for such a high recruit, and that is the hardest thing to adjust to when going from HS to college.
|6 days 12 hours ago||I bet one lemon that he meant||
I bet one lemon that he meant "sabotage".
|1 week 1 day ago||The first time I read this, I||
The first time I read this, I did like half of it in 2 days. I couldn't put it down. The prose is amazing, the subject matter engaging, the structure awful in the old sense of the word. Full of awe of an author in absolute control of his talents.
But I eventually did put it down and didn't pick it up for 6 years! I loved it but was too intimidated to get back into it. Weird.
Eventually finished it. Enjoyed the experience. Had no idea what I had read for like a year. One day, long after having finished it, it kinda clicked for me. Really weird. I now read from it every once in a while, but I can't bring myself to actually read through.
The first two comments in this thread are both 100% true.
|1 week 1 day ago||Relax. My Counterstrike guys||
Relax. My Counterstrike guys just said we're all good.
|1 week 2 days ago||Add Nebraska. Consider||
Add Nebraska. Consider Georgia. Penn State can go to hell and should have had their program permanently disbanded.
|1 week 4 days ago||Agreed. I just don't think||
Agreed. I just don't think any insider has said that. Spath said that after he declined the camp invite, he was made aware that his senior season would be his evaluation period.
But yeah, if they said, "Come to camp of lose your scholarship," no one could fault the staff
|1 week 4 days ago||If X is something subjective,||
If X is something subjective, like "have a good senior year," then it is 100% dependent on the coaches' evaluation. Swenson wouldn't know if he has an offer or not unless they told him.
Which is exactly what insiders have suggested happened.
|1 week 4 days ago||I don't imagine he would have||
I don't imagine he would have a winner with respect to the kid, but I would love to see this brought against the school. See some precedent. I'm not aware that there is anything in like situations. And I think he could have a winner in the right court.
|1 week 5 days ago||Yeah, that's pretty much||
Yeah, that's pretty much where I stand. I fault Harbaugh for the way he pulled the scholarship and the timing of it. I have no problem giving him credit. If he ever says, officially or through a leak, that he explicitly told Swenson that he did not have a spot anymore, and if that happened sometime in December at the latest, I'll buy it. But he can't say that yet, and even the leaks from Webb and Spath haven't made that claim. They all admit he was told to take visits.
I guess the whole reason I've even chimed in here is because while I liked this presser, it definitely did not clear anything up regarding the process of communication. Not that I expected it to (NCAA won't allow it), but I am puzzled that so many people seem to think it did.
|1 week 5 days ago||My response is similar to||
My response is similar to Pescadero's, but with less running.
Everyone has a right to defend themselves. But:
I'm Rueben's size and strength. Almost identical. I always try to avoid the confrontation, not because I'm afraid of the fight, but I know my ass will get hammered in the lawsuit to follow. It might be unfair, but that's the way it goes. It might be reasonable for a smaller guy to punch the kid out, but in my and Reuben's case, there's no doubt a court would require us to use lesser force. I speak from experience. I fucking love to fight, by nature. It's one of my favorite things. But I've learned the hard way.
And, my comment was a response to the "kids don't respect authority," line of thinking. I don't think anyone should respect authority if the authority is in the wrong. If my boss hits me, he's getting hit back. I know it's contradictory. But I said earlier, I love to fight. If I catch a case for that, so be it. I don't grovel just because someone has authority over me.
|1 week 5 days ago||Possibly, now that he was||
Possibly, now that he was physically taken down and there is a lawsuit coming.
But if Rueben hadn't have contributed his wrong actions, that kid would have been gone.
|1 week 5 days ago||The kid should be expelled.||
The kid should be expelled. He should be arrested and charged with battery if he, in fact, threw punches. He should not be physically taken down by a stranger. This is a country of laws, man. You cant let Rueben Riley, as good of a guy as he is, be the judge and jury deciding when and who to physically take down. Is this really how people think?
|1 week 5 days ago||LOL, you keep getting down||
LOL, you keep getting down bored even though this is literally the only thing that matters, legally.
Maybe people don't agree with that, but I can't believe that there are so many people in favor of vigilantism on here.
|1 week 5 days ago||I agree, although I'd prefer||
I agree, although I'd prefer his parents do it. I'm not comfortable with Rueben Riley, who I adore, as arbiter of teen discipline. Or any other stranger.
Or would you guys be OK if I hit your punk kid?
|1 week 5 days ago||I don't doubt for a second||
I don't doubt for a second that Swenson knew the offer was conditional. Again, that isn't the issue and never has been.
The issue is that upon failing to meet those conditions, Swenson wasn't explicitly told he was no longer admitted to Michigan. He didn't go to camp, pull it then. He didn't play well, pull it some time during the season when this was happening. And do it explicitly, don't nod and wink.
That is and has been the issue. I don't know how to say it more clearly. Swenson did not earn his spot. M was within their rights to pull it. The way it was pulled was problematic.
|1 week 5 days ago||Presumably, in that case||
Presumably, in that case Admissions would accept the number of students they could accomodate on a first-come-first-served basis, and promptly advise the others that they don't have room for them.
They probably wouldn't accept all of those deposits then go through and then refund the bottom ranking students without regard to timing of deposit (commitment). Or else why have seat deposits?
|1 week 5 days ago||It's not. I grasp it. That's||
It's not. I grasp it. That's why it is impossible for the presser to say what people are trying to make it say.
|1 week 5 days ago||Not quite. I likely would||
Not quite. I likely would believe them if they addressed the issue. I don't think they have. They answered the wrong question, I think.
I also don't think it's capricious. I don't think there is any intentional harm, and I think the process actually allows the kid to save face, in a way. I just think it is a bit cowardly and beneath the head coach of Michigan.
|1 week 5 days ago||Right but this is not the||
Right but this is not the issue. This "meritocracy" PR has changed the subject.
People found out Swenson dogged it and didn't develop. No one had a problem pulling the scholarship. They had a problem with how it was done and when.
Harbaugh allegedly went silent on him and suggested he leave. He also did this late in the process, ie after the kids senior year when all of that should have been known.
It's about the process. And this presser has not addressed the process, which is why the poster who started this is right. Nothing has changed.
|1 week 5 days ago||Admissions is a bad analogy.||
Admissions is a bad analogy.
They use a waitlist, which is exactly what I'm advocating. Don't tell me I'm in unless I'm actually in. And Admissions would send me a letter the moment they determined I had fouled up and was no longer admitted. They wouldn't suggest I look elsewhere.
I wish the process was like Admissions.
|1 week 5 days ago||Assuming that's how it went||
Assuming that's how it went down, Rueben will probably avoid criminal charges and maybe a civil suit. But he probably still has to look for another job.
This looks like a case of two wrongs. Rueben Riley is a big, strong man. I'm sure he could have defended himself by just grabbing the punk and holding him.
|1 week 5 days ago||Yeah, poor choice of words.||
Yeah, poor choice of words. The point remains, he shouldn't get too physical with kids.
And I'm about as big of a Rueben Riley fan as there is. Great, great guy. I personally have a hard time believing he did anything wrong, because I know him. But everyone makes mistakes, and I think that's what this is.
|1 week 5 days ago||That's not what he learned.||
That's not what he learned. He learned that physical violence is not an acceptable response.
He will learn to use the civil system in response to tortious conduct, which is what we are supposed to do.
I'm sure he will be suspended, expelled, whatever which will teach him that his actions were wrong.
Do all of you guys go off fighting your subordinates at work? Do you allow your bosses to get physical with you? That is not what you should have learned growing up.
|1 week 5 days ago||He was reoffered by Harbaugh.||
He was reoffered by Harbaugh. If Harbaugh never chose to honor Hoke's offer to the "candy ass," nobody would have had anything to be butthurt about.
Relax, man. I'm just a guy talking on the internet. I'm not going to affect your enjoyment of Michigan in any way.