30 for 30 Doc Premieres Saturday: "The Great Heisman Race of 1997"

Submitted by BursleyHall82 on December 6th, 2023 at 8:32 PM

OK, I know we're supposed to hate ESPN and never watch ESPN again, but I'm going to put that aside for one night and watch this and DVR this and watch it again and again and again.

The latest 30 for 30 is "The Great Heisman Race of 1997" and it premieres on Saturday night after the Heisman presentation. I believe this is the first Michigan story to be featured on a 30 for 30 since "The Fab Five." Here's a trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMxvP14C26I

 

KO Stradivarius

December 6th, 2023 at 10:40 PM ^

It was long ago, but we met a couple from Tennessee on our honeymoon in 1995 staying at the same resort in the Caribbean, and we hung out a little.  The dude wore a "T" ballcap and we chatted about football a bit.  He mentioned his hatred for Bama, said he was from the "hills", and made some unprompted racist statements about "how it works there differently than the city".  He actually mentioned lynching, which shocked me.  I'll never forget it. 

But I also had some business relationships with a supplier located near Knoxville, also visited there a few times, and they were really nice people.

So that's my anecdotal story, bro, but not a cool one.      

Chaco

December 7th, 2023 at 8:17 AM ^

yeah ~ 30 years would qualify as "long ago".  I've lived all over the US and currently live in Atlanta but when I lived in Michigan I recall that the head of the KKK set up shop in Howell.  Unfortunately there clearly are examples of racism and nasty ignorance or malice throughout the country - not just the south.

Ezeh-E

December 7th, 2023 at 8:30 AM ^

Oh no doubt it's alive all over the country, but the south does have quite the generational tradition of it that--while improving--is still unique in my experience. Atlanta is much different than Birmingham, Augusta, Savannah, Nashville, Memphis, Charlotte, etc., in having a strong Black middle (and upper-middle) class.

Ezeh-E

December 7th, 2023 at 8:26 AM ^

Appreciate the curiosity. A few ways to answer this:

1. If by racism, we mean systematic disadvantage based on race, then yes, it is alive and well in Tennessee. An example is all of the private schools built around 1970 to avoid desegregation, now termed "segregation academies" followed by reduction in funding for public schools. I went to one of these schools in Nashville growing up.

2. If by racism we mean overt prejudice, I haven't been to Nashville recently. However, in the early 2000s at one of the segregation academies, I heard plenty of n-word with the hard-r used. Never directly at a Black student in the school (we had 2 if memory serves). But used directly by students towards Black individuals outside of school grounds. While I do believe that some of my former classmates have grown out of these behaviors and mindset, I would bet all my money that not all of them have.

 

Buffalowing Blue

December 7th, 2023 at 11:02 AM ^

I've been to TN a dozen times and I've seen people of all kinds of backgrounds all treated the same as anyone else.

I'd bet you'd find some people from all 50 states that doesn't like people of other races though, so that technically makes all states racist.

Nothing I can do about that except treat everyone with respect.

UcheWallyWally

December 7th, 2023 at 6:29 AM ^

Michigan- Won the national championship with Charles Woodson that season up against one of the toughest rates schedules in America going undefeated 

Tennesse - With Manning lost there 2 biggest games including a 4th straight lose for Manning against rival Florida and getting blown out in there bowl game against Nebraska. Most of the roster came back and won a national championship the following season without Manning. 

Buffalowing Blue

December 7th, 2023 at 10:41 AM ^

They really are.  Can you blame them though?  Manning was something else to watch in the NFL for sure.

We already know how Peyton was always a commercial whore.  You couldnt watch any football without seeing his face on everything.  Only commercials he isn't on are the Nissan Heisman commercials.  He's not invited to the Heisman mansion. 

The Office gif. Steve Carell as Michael Scott slowly turns with eyebrows raised and walks into his office.

Amazinblu

December 6th, 2023 at 8:58 PM ^

I can only hope there’s a snippet of Fulmer’s end of season ballot in the Coaches Poll.

It would be nice for others to understand just how objective he was.   And, that tune hasn’t changed - as you extend it to the CFP.

KO Stradivarius

December 6th, 2023 at 9:00 PM ^

Lee Corso and his biased ass picked against us again, like he does every time.  I'd like to see the record of his picks.  I'll bet it's woeful.  He's always been a clown.

othernel

December 6th, 2023 at 9:17 PM ^

In 2001, I drove from ann arbor to Georgia and then Florida for spring break. Had Michigan decal on my bumper. 

While driving through Tennessee, i TWICE had people pull alongside me and gesture to me to roll down the windows. 

Both times, they just yelled "PEYTON!!!" and sped off. 

So yeah, they were salty about it then and probably still are.  

MGoGrendel

December 6th, 2023 at 9:32 PM ^

When we moved to Georgia, we left Chicago on April 8th and the trees still had frost on them. 

The trees on the North side of Indianapolis  had leaf buds and on the south side the trees were just starting to leaf out. 

Tennessee had some small leaves and the Dogwoods were in bloom, but once we crossed over the mountains and entered Georgia, all the leaves were fully developed. 

Awesome to see that change over two days!!

formalinvite

December 6th, 2023 at 9:43 PM ^

It's hard for any partisan to be completely objective. But what is irritating is the UT argument that awarding the Heisman to Charles was somehow a great injustice. Phat Phil basically acted like he never even heard of Woodson and expressed total shock that Manning didn't win. I thought Charles Woodson was one of the greatest difference makers in college football history and that Michigan absolutely doesn't go 12-0 without him. Peyton Manning was a fantastic player and had a great 4 year career, but the Heisman is supposed to be for performance in a singular year. Manning didn't get his team past Florida in 1997, and even though not relevant for 1997 was 0-4 against the Gators. Reasonable people can disagree and Manning would have been a worthy winner, as was Woodson, but this idea that this was somehow a miscarriage of justice is ridiculous.

matty blue

December 7th, 2023 at 6:05 AM ^

that 0-4 record vs florida was, to me, all that needed to be said.  they were two all-time great college players, but charles’ team got it done when it mattered, peyton’s didn’t.

his teams had trouble getting over the hump in the pros, too, but that’s a different conversation…i do kinda like that any knocks on his career are because he couldn’t get past a michigan guy.

stephenrjking

December 6th, 2023 at 10:07 PM ^

Some years the Heisman race is a dud, and the winner is the best of a bad lot, or a quality player is overlooked because he's on the wrong team or plays the wrong position.

Some years it is great. Reggie Bush vs Vince Young was a Heisman race of dreams.

1997 was a legendary Heisman year. Peyton was a great player, and while the argument on his behalf was as much career as it was production, he was excellent. Ryan Leaf was statistically also very impressive, slightly lower TDs and completion % but better y/a numbers and a similar record. And there was also this receiver from Marshall named Randy Moss playing against worse teams but posting absurd receiving numbers.

Leaf turned into a spectacular bust; the other three are first-ballot NFL hall-of-famers. Hard to have a better class, and so no surprise that it's a prime 30-for-30 candidate.

Woodson won, and he deserved to win. He was so dominating a defender that teams would go whole games without every trying to attack his side of the field. He was so good that only a sliver of an opening was enough to make a game-changing play. He was a complete player, blitzing, making thundering hits, defending the pass. He played in every phase of the game, of course, but while used sparingly, he was always effective (and quite nearly had a TD pass to Brian Griese; Griese getting knocked out at the one still leaves me salty) and game-changing.

He led the best single unit in college football that year, a decade-great defense, a unit that was great *because* of what he brought to the table.

Some Heismans are stat awards, and his was not, but not all Heismans are given for stats. DBs just don't post great counting stats. He had a terrific number in the single stat that matters at that position - 7 regular season interceptions - but his argument filled out every other area that matters in Heisman voting: Consistent greatness, being the great player on a top team, great highlights, and producing a huge performance in a huge game.

The former three have already been established here (note that while Woodson didn't factor in as many plays as a QB, there was a big highlight of him almost every week!). The latter?

Well, with Woodson already a contending Heisman candidate, Michigan hosted top-5 Ohio State in a rivalry game that would decide the Rose Bowl and establish a national championship contender.

Woodson intercepted a pass in his own end zone to steal away a TD, caught a pass on Michigan's biggest offensive play of the game to set up Michigan's only offensive TD, and returned a punt for a touchdown. Woodson alone swung 3 touchdowns in a game Michigan won by 6. He is the reason Michigan beat Ohio State.

You simply don't get a bigger performance in a big game in football.

Cry if you want, Vols. Woodson earned it.

ezblue

December 6th, 2023 at 10:13 PM ^

The 30 for 30 is often filmed and produced by a Michigan grad. Not sure if this one was or not. Unlike other ESPN stuff, 30 for 30 should be okay and not biased or maybe biased towards us if certain people made it.

NittanyFan

December 6th, 2023 at 10:22 PM ^

WRs don’t win the Heisman very often (3 times ever, also 2 Tight Ends way back in the day).

Randy Moss played his 1997 season at Marshall.  The Herd only had one game on national TV all season before their Bowl (the MAC title game vs Toledo on ESPN2 - in a snow storm).  He was borderline invisible, only really seen nationally in grainy SportsCenter highlights that some intern in Bristol taped off the satellite, whatever Huntington WV TV station produced local coverage of Marshall games.  We will never know for sure, but if he had stayed at Notre Dame or Florida State (and kept out of trouble)?  I would guess he wins the 1997 Heisman going away..

All in all, that award ceremony had a tremendous amount of generational talent.  There will likely never be another year like it.