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It's also probably his own…

It's also probably his own attitude, which seemed to transform in that playoff game vs. Georgia.  He (seemed to) realize that he couldn't simply rely on his team's overall talent to completely dominate an opponent, it required a little extra something on his part.  I think that game was a very timely launching pad to the NFL; those last couple losses were very instructional.

Easy to do when you have a…

Easy to do when you have a stick in your pants.

Or more specifically, don't…

Or more specifically, don't trust anyone trying to keep Chop Robinson away from JJ.

I don't think anyone was…

I don't think anyone was worried about Sharrone, it was Warde we were (and will always be) concerned about.

Man, it must absolutely gall…

Man, it must absolutely gall Fickell that after all these years he still coaches a program that's a feeder for bigger programs.  So sorry man >:)

Do we know for sure Harbaugh…

Do we know for sure Harbaugh used his cell phone for both?

If Harbaugh did have a phone dedicated strictly to personal use, if the NCAA knew about it, what would stop them from asking for it?  Do you really think they wouldn't? 

Of course they would, that's what a witch hunt is all about.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qry9IeJnbNU

 

Great.  Send him back to…

Great.  Send him back to UConn.

Sherrone certain was a big…

Sherrone certain was a big contributor to the culture, but he wasn't the only one.  If they really wanted to maintain, then they needed to keep Herbert.  From the outside looking in, I'm not sure anyone was more key to that culture than Herbert.  Judging from player reaction to his departure really solidifies that.  He forged those kids into steel, and he will be missed. 

For me it doesn't matter if Warde had anything to do with any of the other departures or not; Herbert's departure is the one that should be laid squarely in his lap and matters the most.

I suspect we are about to…

I suspect we are about to find out exactly how good those analysts working for Harbaugh were.

Kinda ironic, everyone pointed to Connor Stallions stealing signs as the reason for M's ascendancy the last few years.  That wasn't it, it was having some mega-talented people all around Harbaugh making this high-performance engine run.  I really hope it doesn't sputter next season.

Not anymore.  We're now in…

Not anymore.  We're now in post coital dysphoria.

I don't think we were blase,…

I don't think we were blase, we certainly all saw Minter going with him, and probably Jay as well.  I personally didn't expect him to take all the best coaches (esp. Herbert) and damage the program further.  At some point there has to be some consideration for what he's leaving behind. 

I mean, aren't there some former Bama or Georgia assistants or such he can raid?

I was thinking similarly,…

I was thinking similarly, however Sharron becomes the collateral damage here, so at some point there has to be some consideration for the guy.

Well here's the question of…

Well here's the question of it:

Warde knew in November exactly what Harbaugh wanted.  He didn't deliver on those points until it was too late.

From the outside we can read this two ways:

1. Warde worked hard to convince the stakeholders and it took time to bring everyone to that point and achieve consensus.

2. Warde sandbagged until it was too late then delivered when he knew they'd already crossed the Rubicon and the door had closed, passively removing Harbaugh with the appearance of attempting to retain Harbaugh without actually making a real effort.

So which is it?  I'm inclined for #2, because Warde hardly spoke to Harbaugh during negotiations, meaning they stayed at arms-length.  We also know that Pres. Ono was firmly on Harbaugh's side, so it's not clear to me who Warde had to convince to accept Harbaugh's terms.

Harbaugh spoke effusively about Pres. Ono, but I never saw such words from him for Warde.  What isn't said can be just as telling.

That's a good point. …

That's a good point.  Between Brandon and Warde there was a guy with a vision and worked with intent to achieve it.  I just wish he could've stuck around a little longer. 

For all his faults, I hope…

For all his faults, I hope Warde isn't as lame and defeatist as some of the posters in this thread who negged me.

His other hires have been debated and questioned here and elsewhere, this is the one he will ultimately be remembered for.  Hopefully he tries harder; yeah, it's late and there might not be any good options for available experienced head coaches, but if he doesn't make his best effort to find the best possible fit it's an awfully big gamble he'll make on a coach with no HC experience and Warde will have to live or die by that.

This reads like an old…

This reads like an old message board baiting so you can gleefully shoot down whatever I or anyone posts.

Any of us could rattle off a list of names, but we all know how ridiculous and pointless that is.  But Warde could also ask Harbaugh for some recommendations.  Yes, he'll say Sherrone, but he should also be able to provide a couple names beyond that.  Schembechler was hired because other coaches and people who knew football recommended him.  Warde should be talking to people, he's had plenty of time to do the groundwork for what we all knew was coming.  And we have no idea who might have expressed interest from any number of places.  There are credible reports Deboer was interested in coaching at M before Bama made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Warde owes it to the program to make a real effort, even if he does end up hiring Moore.

I'm not advocating for a…

I'm not advocating for a particular person, I'm advocating for a good effort at finding the best person available, whether it's Moore or someone else.  I'm hoping Warde spent the last couple weeks sending out queries to determine who is available that might make a good fit, and then quickly put a list together of strong, available candidates and get interviews lined up now that the news has finally broken. Is that unreasonable?

I like Moore as much as…

I like Moore as much as anyone, but he isn't the HC yet, so I don't understand this coronation.  And while he was the game HC for 4 games this season, that's not really the same as assuming the full responsibilities of a HC because Harbaugh still did all the work leading up to the games.  We really don't know how good he is as a head coach.

That being said, I fully expect Warde to take the path of least resistance and effort.

I think this is a good point…

I think this is a good point.  The opportunity for Warde to show Harbaugh some love was last year.  He didn't, which began the process of Harbaugh preparing the staff for life without him.

We still don't have an answer of why M withdrew their legal challenge.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was the point of no return. 

I'm still trying to figure…

I'm still trying to figure out what the armadillos were about... :/

Yeah, which could make for…

Yeah, which could make for an interesting situation if the Chargers pass and Harbaugh hasn't signed with M.  That could turn into a game of chicken Harbaugh might not win as his leverage declines.

Along those lines, part of…

Along those lines, part of the reason Mikey got tackled was because he was trying to cut around Penix.  If he drives into Penix, he possibly scores because I'm not sure the guy had much fight left in him at that point.  Either way it underscores who the big dog was for that game. 

Something I like to think about anyway when I see that play (many times).

You're late to my meeting. …

You're late to my meeting.  Now I'm going to call you out in front of everyone.

I would think after this…

I would think after this last season we would have somewhere else to focus our ire, namely the NCAA.  Getting people riled up over nonsensical and meaningless 'infractions' is what I'm f'ing tired of. 

As for this other stuff, I can get used to celebrating championships in January.  Let's try to keep some perspective, 'cause this is new and feels really good.  It's all a matter of where you choose to focus.  And if Harbaugh leaves, I don't see how any of us can have any ill-will, we finally have what we wanted.

I've watched so many things…

I've watched so many things about M in the last few weeks, but there was a quote from Harbaugh (if memory serves reported by Klatt) that he'd turned over his phone and computers to investigation and everything they asked for and nothing was found.  So I think at this point the worst case scenario is no longer in play, at least as far as past events. 

At this point, it's a question of what they think of Harbaugh going forward, and how assured he feels that the admin and regents have his back because I'm sure his enemies will be back for more blood at some point.  It's probably more the latter.  We still don't know why M backed down on the stay challenge and that could be on his mind.

Whelp... looks like next…

Whelp... looks like next year is a reload year for sure.  We'll have to enjoy this afterglow as long as we can because next season will be a transition season.

At the same time, UM appears…

At the same time, UM appears to have a shortage of big-time receivers to throw to next year, so it's not like M will turn into a pass-happy offense to allow him to improve his passing skills.    It will likely be more of the same, relying on the run game mostly to move the ball with occasional throws to TEs and smaller receivers.

I love Devin but man, those…

I love Devin but man, those two are making this hard to watch.

I want Harbaugh at Michigan…

I want Harbaugh at Michigan.

F--- the NCAA.

Nice follow-up by McAfee as…

Nice follow-up by McAfee as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU0WpTouhTs

 

You realize 67 of those wins…

You realize 67 of those wins came from coaching the mighty Sioux Falls Cougars?  Not saying he's a bad coach, but there's some room for skepticism for the time being while he gets more P5 games on his resume. 

Saban pretty much requires a…

Saban pretty much requires a talent advantage to win.  He couldn't do it consistently at MSU or the Dolphins.  Not saying he isn't a good coach, but having better Jimmies & Joes makes a big difference.  Maybe we could say he usually gets the most out of very talented players.

Wherever he was on that…

Wherever he was on that fateful evening, 'Sack Time!' was declared loudly.  I think it's still echoing across the multiverse.

With 2:00 left in the game,…

With 2:00 left in the game, and Penix in major pain, I was seriously wondering why they left him in the game.  The guy has an NFL future ahead of him, no need to jeopardize it on an injury when there was no chance of a win at that point.  I thought that was a bad coaching decision on DeBoer's part, got to think of the well-being of your players.

Except Harbaugh was coaching…

Except Harbaugh was coaching leading up to that and afterward, so not quite same thing.  Valuable experience for sure that he has on his resume to get an HC job somewhere.  I think we want experienced head coaches at M, and it's in a position to demand that. 

Yeah, especially since these…

Yeah, especially since these guys will have other offers to choose from, they aren't permanently chained to Harbaugh.  When Saban started winning championships, other programs started poaching his coaches.  I'm hoping we'll keep enough coaches to perpetuate the culture, key being Herbert.

Well, multiple takes on this…

Well, multiple takes on this post, oops :(

Putting it all together:

Putting it all together:

For its last NC, M had to beat a Washington team.

This 3-year run all started with a win over UW.  It only makes sense that completing the circle, completing what Harbaugh, JJ, Blake and the whole team are doing, they finish with a win over UW.

History doesn't repeat but it rhymes, and the way it's all wrapping up tells me it will be an epic win!

tT-tT-TT!

tT-tT-TT!

I want to see a drive in…

I want to see a drive in late 3rd/early 4th that's nothing but handoffs to the RBs, drive down the field and score 6-7 minutes later.  Go total boa constrictor on them and drain their will to play as Penix stands on the sideline the whole time just watching completely helpless to do anything.

How old are you?  You can't…

How old are you?  You can't really be that naive or ignorant about what a QB has to learn to be proficient in Harbaugh's system... can you?

With Stallions out of…

With Stallions out of commission, M has to have a way to hide the iPhones so Bama can't see their signs getting stolen.

Nice way of dodging the fact…

Nice way of dodging the fact that M was doing a lot of pre-snap moment and shifting to confuse the defense.  But Saban wouldn't want to admit his vaunted defensive system has flaws, easier to blame the huddling.

To anyone saying Bama's RBs…

To anyone saying Bama's RBs are so dynamic, where were they on the final play of the game?  If they're so dynamic, why isn't the ball handed off, instead of being used as a decoy?  I think we know what Saban's appraisal of his RB's is.

Speaking of opposing fan…

Speaking of opposing fan views, I liked this top comment for that vid:

Huge Alabama fan here but I was disgusted to see the lack of respect for Michigan coming into this game.  Dismissing their abilities as a team was just foolish.

Well... our coach was…

Well... our coach was essentially crucified this season for suggesting players get a stake in the revenue.  If you don't want to participate that's fine, but for the time being that rationale is a non-starter.

One option is instead of buying officially licensed school paraphernalia, buy products offered by the players themselves.  I know Will Johnson has some offerings.

Thanks for posting.  Since…

Thanks for posting.  Since we didn't attend any post-season games this year this might be a good alternative to show support. 

Yeah I had 2 band kids, one…

Yeah I had 2 band kids, one went on to the MMB.  A few years back Harbaugh dropped by a practice to speak to them and express appreciation, so it's good to see that attitude being fostered. 

OK, for the first time ever…

OK, for the first time ever I'm putting money down.  M is going to take Bama to the woodshed.  Anyone have any good recommendations for reputable online betting establishments, I'd certainly appreciate it.