Harbaugh pushing for Clink and Elston per Sam Webb

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Wouldn't that have been easier if he had just stayed in Ann Arbor?

Absolutely perfect comment here, Woodson showing why he wears the "2" in this thread.

I'm with you as far as overpaying a bit, but laying this on Warde is mob-mentality grabbing for an easy answer. Herbert's departure raises some eyebrows given the low profile of NFL strength jobs and the rumors about what he wanted to stay, but the other guys could have all kinds of other reasons to consider leaving -- from recruiting to family reasons, climate or loving Harbaugh. I agree Manuel should be helping to keep coaches. I hope he is, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's not. But I don't think you know any more than I do.

Which is okay to acknowledge. It's not like you or I can do anything about it anyway.

I was thinking similarly, however Sharron becomes the collateral damage here, so at some point there has to be some consideration for the guy.

Except that it screws over people he claims to care about so bad strategy, if that's the case. 

But, this is more of a double-bird to Moore than Warde. 

I don't think Warde really cares as evident by the basketball program. Wins and losses are at the bottom of the list behind how much the salary for the coach is going to be.

And I don't even think he's done...

Harbaugh struggles to make defensive hires. That’s why he went to his brother twice to get a DC. A lot of head coaches struggle with hires. All of his former coaches are familiar to him. They are all within his comfort zone.

I disagree. You don't succeed like Jim Harbaugh by making decisions based mainly or even largely on screwing other people. If he's pursuing these guys it's because he believes they are both the best and the most reliably good candidates for these jobs on his staff. I think it's just that simple. 
 
Does he dislike WM? Who knows? Yeah, probably. I just don't think that's what this is about.

         Rob

I agree with you, and I am also displeased he is doing it. I foolishly thought he'd leave the staff intact so the program would continue to flourish. 

What concerns me is what I perceive as a lack of communication surrounding the intent of Harbaugh’s staffing decisions between himself and the current coaching staff.

It’s one thing to advocate for a first time HC to take the reigns at the university you just left but it’s a whole other ordeal to poach assistant level coaches no more than two weeks after taking the job, essentially leaving Moore likely to scramble to get the pieces in place.

Now if Elston and Clink are initiating the moves, that’s fine. That’s their right to move on to other opportunities. What’s not fine is to dangle the carrot in front of the bunnies who already have a home you helped build.

Gentleman’s agreements are usually put in place so nobody gets hurt feelings and to set some ground rules. I typically I hate them but this is a case where they would help everyone involved.

Moore is now the Head Coach at Michigan, a job that should only be given to a grown up. He shouldn’t need any charity to get the job done, or for anyone to take it easy on him. I hope he’s not the kind of guy who expects either. It’s up to him to put his staff together in a competitive environment, just like every coach does.

Anyone taking the Michigan job right now, complete with expectations and talent turnover that is a part of college football, is "set up for failure".

Failure is always an option in these situations.

My statement has nothing to do with Sherrone Moore or his very considerable abilities. 

Both Moore and Harbaugh are under no illusions at all that winning just happens because you are at Michigan. Or because you're Jim Harbaugh. They both know you need the best team of coaches around you. The best organization. 

This is just super hard to do.  Jim Harbaugh isn't setting Moore up for failure. He's doing exactly what he needs to do to have a chance to take a moribund NFL franchise and have any chance at success in the next 2-3 years. He knows that if he doesn't turn it around NOW, he'll be the next guy ushered out in 1 year. 2 years.. 3 years maybe. 

Moore has 3 years to show he's got this, minimum. However, Hoke level failure will lead to him being fired. Whose fault is that? Nobodies. Not Harbaugh. That's just the way it is when you are paid millions to do a job and there are lots of capable dudes out there who could take that job. 

      Rob

I don't think we were blase, we certainly all saw Minter going with him, and probably Jay as well.  I personally didn't expect him to take all the best coaches (esp. Herbert) and damage the program further.  At some point there has to be some consideration for what he's leaving behind. 

I mean, aren't there some former Bama or Georgia assistants or such he can raid?

Because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

There is no question, some people had a rosy picture in their heads that did not take reality into account. Everyone was imagining Moeller for Bo, Carr for Moeller, and forgetting RichRod for Carr. 

I don't blame anyone here for thinking that way. It's not our jobs to be realistic.

OTOH, I also think Manuel was thinking that way to some degree. I DO blame him. It IS his job.

He was, IMO, unprepared to face the force of nature that is Jim Harbaugh and fight for what he needed to keep his football program together. Could he force people to stay that didn't want to? Obviously not. However, it's my opinion he is NOT taking the best shot he can take to retain some of these guys. That's a failure on his part.

        Rob

When you create straw man arguments you admit your position is weak. No one expected the staff to remain completely intact. But I also didn’t expect him to completely gut our staff and potentially cause our promising players on defense to transfer. Real shitty thing to do to the guy you supposedly pushed for to replace you.