Warde Manuel comments about Juwan Howard and Jim Harbaugh

Submitted by ThadMattasagoblin on January 27th, 2024 at 7:09 PM

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2024/01/27/warde-manuel-focus-is-on-supporting-juwan-howard-talk-about-future-will-happen-after-season/72380708007/

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2024/01/michigan-ad-warde-manuel-opens-up-about-contract-talks-with-jim-harbaugh.html

These articles don't really give me much confidence. Reading between the lines, it sounds like Warde doesn't think that anything is "way off" in our basketball program. Additionally, he didn't even talk to Harbaugh himself in his contract negotiations so he doesn't know how he felt about everything. This seems a bit different from Hackett calling everyone he could possibly find with connections to Jim to get him to Ann Arbor in December 2014.

Hensons Mobile…

January 27th, 2024 at 9:58 PM ^

I feel like you meant to reply to a different post. My post said the article, from Warde's perspective, indicates he does not hate Harbaugh. Maybe he's lying, but he's saying things that are the opposite of "I hate Harbaugh."

So the thing at Crisler has nothing to do with what was in the article.

But, since you asked, no, I don't find that odd at all. The negotiations were happening with Harbaugh's representatives. So negotiations were happening.

highlow

January 28th, 2024 at 7:41 AM ^

Lawyerchat: normally, no.  In this case, yes.

Usually, the lawyers get involved after the principals reach an "agreement in principle," which is like a 1-2 page outline with the key terms (length, $$$, etc).  After that, the lawyers turn that agreement in principle into a full contract, and usually the lawyers communicate directly on that because the principals' time is valuable and the disputes are pretty technical.

But they should have been talking about the immunity stuff.  The lawyers can draft that whichever way the principals agree to do it, and the lawyers will not be the ones resolving that dispute.  So I would have hoped they were in regular contact about that.

Midukman

January 28th, 2024 at 9:17 AM ^

He did cut his pay in half, somewhat deserved. Then failed to give it back when he won the BIG. Harbaughs buddy Todd, posted on X that more or less that was an issue. Cant say I blame Jim. When you’re one of the four best teams year in and year out, you should be one of the highest paid coaches. Warde deserves to be canned. Not for JH going pro but for everything he hasn’t done since Covid. 

Blue Bunny Friday

January 28th, 2024 at 1:22 AM ^

Sure. Still haven't seen a single example of what he's been good at publicly. At some point that's on that guy. People can say "we didn't see our bball coach jumping at a terrible NBA job, we couldn't pay our baseball coach to stay, we can't get meaningful transfers admitted to sports, we're going to self impose penalties that no one else would, we didn't need to fire Mel when an investigation has concluded, etc"

These things range a lot in terms of validity, but don't imply that they are not indictments on his ability to be an AD.

jmarsh22

January 28th, 2024 at 9:45 AM ^

Anyone who thinks those of us who want Warde fired are “brain dead” have their heads in the sand regarding what’s been going on in the athletic department, particularly with our coaches. Do some research and educate yourself. He may have lucked out with Sherrone Moore, because I have zero confidence in Warde being able to run a successful search for a head football coach. He couldn’t run a hot dog stand.

S.G. Rice

January 27th, 2024 at 7:12 PM ^

So when is the giant FIRE WARDE rally?  I need some advance warning so I have time to stop by Ann Arbor Torch & Pitchfork and replenish supplies.  Kinda low after using things up celebrating the National Championship.

jackw8542

January 28th, 2024 at 11:22 AM ^

Me either. 2020 was a season that should have been canceled to the point that wins and losses from that year should not even be counted. Harbaugh was more interested in protecting the players than anything else, a view shared by few, who were more concerned with money being lost than with the health of the athletes. As far as I am concerned, Harbaugh was 87-21, not 89-25.

Frank Chuck

January 27th, 2024 at 7:55 PM ^

"What did Warde contribute to the national championship?"

I'm not a fan of Warde Manuel but I would say Warde not firing Jim Harbaugh when most of the fanbase wanted him fired is undeniably a big feather in Warde Manuel's cap. Warde not being reactionary and not yielding to massive pressure was a major positive in the long-run. The 2nd chance he gave Harbaugh cannot be understated.

Many Michigan fans might not want to admit that they once wanted Harbaugh fired (0-5 against OSU, 3-3 vs MSU, 2-4 in COVID season) but they know who they are. Many of those posts on MGoBlog can be easily accessed with a Google search. Some of those posts are still up on Twitter/X. (The internet is forever.)

Blinkin

January 27th, 2024 at 8:42 PM ^

I think the 2020 pay cut was brilliant. Yes it pissed Jim off. Probably even pissed him off enough to leave. But he also knew he needed to succeed in order to leave on his own terms.

To me, pissing Jim off to the point where he turns around and wins 40 games, 3 conference title, 3-0 vs OSU, and a natty, is a huge win. 

Wendyk5

January 27th, 2024 at 9:00 PM ^

It was humiliating for sure, but what if Warde had done nothing? I think people need to revisit how they honestly felt back then about how things were going. It's easy to get angry now that we have the last three years to reflect on, but we need to go back further. I feel like there's some revisionist history going on here. I never wanted Harbaugh fired but I certainly thought at the time that he just didn't have it in him to get over the hump (beat OSU, beat Michigan State a lot more often than not, and win bowl games). 

ChampsoftheWest

January 27th, 2024 at 9:11 PM ^

I definitely understand your point. However to me it wasn’t that Warde did nothing, it was that after the magical 2021 season Harbaugh’s contract was revisited, aaanndddd he still gave him less than he was originally making. To me this is more about competence and Manuel playing politics, which doesn’t sit well with many folks.

Wendyk5

January 27th, 2024 at 9:44 PM ^

And yet he made $10 million in 2022, which was 25% more than he made before the pay cut. That "less than he was originally making" is misleading because it doesn't include all the added incentives which put him over the original $8 mil mark. What's wrong with incentivizing someone's pay who's been underperforming? 

Eng1980

January 28th, 2024 at 7:04 AM ^

People seem to forget that with COVID, college revenue, and MIchigan football revenue was way, way down.  If Harbaugh didn't take a pay cut, the program would have lost money.  The cut had everything to do with revenue and nothing to do with performance except that maybe revenue would have been up if Michigan football was undefeated.

GLORY

January 27th, 2024 at 9:27 PM ^

Abysmal 2-4 '20 season triggered the changes, not Warde's public humiliation in cutting Jim's salary in half.  That only pissed him off, brought resentment and that's when he started exploring the NFL.  And at that time, if he had NFL options, he would have left.  He didn't, so he came back.

Warde doing nothing would've been better.  Nothing about that move was brilliant.  You either have Jim's back 100% and strengthen your relationship or you fire him.  You don't half ass pretend to support him by offering a non-negotiable "50% off" deal.  That says 'I don't care if you leave, but if you want to stay you need accept my terms."  This wasn't some profound move by Warde.  It was a win-win situation for him and put Jim in a tough spot.  Warde's move was nothing short of insult and further divided their relationship.