And that is exactly why I didn't see the appeal for him to come to UM. Sure he's blazing fast in a straight line, but can he catch? Can he run a route and get open? Can he block? If his focus is sprinting, his football will suffer - especially at this level - and he will be little more than a speedy decoy a couple times per game his entire career.
Really cool stories. I feel bad for Shea Patterson.
I think he had unrealistic expectations on him from the start and unfortunately we didn’t have the lineman then that we ended up with the last few years.
Do you often make analogies that at best are only loosely connected to the subject that you're commenting on and then wrongly assume what someone's response is saying?
wasn't fast enough to hang onto his supermodel wife
Uhhhh, I don't think speed had anything to do with it based on the info that's out there. He appears to have chosen one more year of football over his wife and family, but I'm sure it's more complicated than that.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure UM would've put up >40 again had JJ not been hurt. Kid was literally crying in pain barely able to move at half-time of Maryland game, can't image he got a ton better in a week's time.
He shouldn't need to blitz near as much with our DL, while still deploying the confusing/disguised coverages on the backend. I think he likely will blitz a bit more than Minter did in general, but Minter did a fair amount of blitzing when the situation called for it - can't remember the name of the post on here, but someone covered the actual blitz rates last year for UM by opponent and there was probably more blitzing than most would recall because everyone just remembers the easy teams where there was relatively low blitzing.
How will I celebrate? I don't. It's a manufactured holiday.
We basically we do "Valentine's Day" as a normal part of the relationship after nearly divorcing 3 years ago, all of the romantic stuff is just what we do all throughout the year. Best advice I got during the time we were rebuilding our marriage was: You have to date your wife, if you don't, someone else will.
You better believe that staff is going to be interrogating him non-stop on what UM does on D. Though with Wink coming in I would hope any advantage that has would be largely mitigated.
Wink built his defense to stop the pass. Brown built his to stuff the run.
This is the key here. Brown's D was built to stop spread n' shred, it worked great for that. Wink's D was built to stop the spread passing offenses that were dominating the NFL, which Ryan Day brought to OSU, and which many college teams have now adopted. It just happens that UM got in ahead of the meta on D due to the Harbaugh family connection.
Not super pumped about this, but I guess it's about the best case scenario given the circumstances. If it's just a 1-2 year rental to get Clink fully prepared to take over like many suggest I suppose that might work out ok.
I'm optimistic. Ravens background, worked under Spagnuolo at KC who runs a fantastic scheme - not sure how similar it is to the "Ravens" style, but he can hopefully use those experiences to keep running a cutting edge NFL level scheme at the college level to defeat the spread passing offenses that have been adopted by the majority of teams.
I'm going to savor every second of it because it just might be the only time in my life that UM is ahead of the meta on at least one side of the ball. I think there's an argument they're ahead on offense as well, which I never thought I'd see. I don't care what happens from here on out - ok I do - but either way, this 3 year run will go down as one of the greatest in UM football history and I'm glad to have witnessed it.
See that Ward? That's how it's done. Not this namby-pamby weak sauce garbage you throw out there (ok, you get credit for the one good formal response you had during the Harbaugh stuff, but that's literally it).
Well, I don't have to worry that some dudes with rifles are going to break down my door and gun me and my family down because I don't believe the same things as they do. Or if a bomb is going to plumet through my ceiling at any moment and incinerate me. Unlike millions of real people around the world as you're reading this. So, you know, that's pretty good news.
If several thousand years of recorded history has taught us anything, it's that ANY system of government (or regulatory regime, or system of justice, etc.) will create real or perceived harm to some group.
But I was told by many people on Facebook, Reddit, X, and various other platforms that if only I followed their system the world would be a perfect utopia! You're telling me that's not true? Man, what are you gonna tell me next? That the holes in the car the shady salesman sold me that look suspiciously like bullet holes are not actually speed holes like he told me?
When he quit, I switched most of my attention from Lions to Michigan and have never had the same connection.
Pretty much the same here. I watched the Lions more than UM until '97, then they were about equal. When Barry retired that was basically the end of my Lions fandom.
Beyond Barry, I always liked Herman Moore. He was great in NFL footbal '94 on Sega Genesis. For some reason Moore was the fastest player in the game. I would just run Barry or pass to Moore every single play and score like 80+ ppg.
I think I read somewhere that LSU is paying their new DC $4.5 million a year
That's just nuts. I believe that's more than Hoke's salary when he became head coach, which was considered to be over-paying by many at the time (and definitely over-paying in hindsight).
EDIT: It appears Conrad and I had the same thought!
This is astoundingly glorious and horrendous at the same time.
their SP+ rating makes them better than every single Moeller defense, all Carr defenses except 1995-1997, and all Harbaugh-era defenses until this year.
I'm not in agreement with SP+ there. I would take the 2016 UM D easily over 2023 Iowa.
Trauma and the shame it produces - and our reaction to that shame - are very powerful things. Shit posting, rebelliousness, chip on the shoulder, narcissism, and many other extremely negative related behaviors result from unhealed trauma and unresolved toxic shame. Someone doesn't just wake up and become an alcoholic or druggie, someone doesn't just randomly decide one day to be a bitter asshole to everyone. There is a reason for all of those behaviors.
Sadly, the feeling of confronting that toxic shame is so great that people will do anything to avoid it, and all of those negative behaviors are the result, up to and including taking the lives of others, and sometimes their own. Dealing with all that stuff is the hardest thing to do, which is why most people don't. I'm glad you were able to do so Dennis. I know it's a process and a journey, I pray that you continue down the path of truth and healing.
Michigan hadn't seen "an offense like Washington's."
This one is particularly enjoyable. Well done UW, you scored 3 more points total, and the same amount of TD's, against UM as that high-powered offensive juggernaut Minnesota did (SP+ rank 89).
If you would've told me exactly 3 years ago, coming off that nightmare of a covid season, that over the next three years that UM would 1. only lose 3 games over the next 3 seasons, 2. defeat OSU 3 years in a row - two of which would be blow-outs, 3. win the B1G 3 years in a row, 4. be in the CFP 3 years in a row, 5. which would then culminate in a national title on the 3rd one.... I would've thought you were absolutely bat-poop insane.
And yet, here we are. Never, and I mean never, did I think in the current CFB landscape with the 'Bamas and Geogia's and OSU's of the world and their insane recruiting, did I think it would be truly possible for UM to compete against that.
And yet, here we are. The 2023 team is truly special, we all saw it all season long with how the players and coaches talked about each other, and now everyone else can see it. This team is one for the ages folks.
This is the golden age of modern UM football. Savor and be thankful for every second of it, I know that I am.
I don't remember the details all that well (it's been a while), but it was right at the beginning of 2008 when RR was announced as next head coach. I had primarily been reading/getting info from a different UM site that had links to other UM sites, which directed me here. Eventually I switched to Mgoblog as my primary after a few months.
I didn't realize there was a message board for a bit, but then was a lurker for a few months before eventually making an account in October during that first disastrous RR year. Not a big or well-known contributor, but I've been hanging around ever since.
Basically yes. He's saying 'Bama was no-huddle but wasn't playing fast that game, so UM's coaches had more time to signal in calls/checks based on 'Bama's formations since they showed that right away. Versus the other side, UM huddled and was then sitting in their offensive formation for less time, which means less time for 'Bama's D to make calls/checks.
Interesting that Saban is indicating that UM huddling gave a similar advantage that the hurry-up-no-huddle is supposed to give, while their own tactic of no-huddle-no-hurry actually hurt them. Will 'Bama be one of the few teams like UM to mostly go back to huddle next season?
From my understanding, he's a dude that doesn't have crazy measurables and isn't elite at camp stuff. However, he is a dude that just performs and wins in actual games. Rankings tend to over-value the former traits.
Yup, pretty much my take as well. UM will have some new stuff that will work for a couple plays, but I expect mostly lighting 1st and 2nd downs on fire and praying JJ can bail us out on 3rd downs. Everyone will be frustrated, just like the LLoyd years except a tad more creativity, and 'Bama will win without the game ever really being in doubt.
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Why did I read this in the voice of Large Marge? "On this very night, 35 years ago, along this same stretch of AD office..."
No. Next question.
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Corum may be a prodigy, but I think you meant protégé.
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And that is exactly why I didn't see the appeal for him to come to UM. Sure he's blazing fast in a straight line, but can he catch? Can he run a route and get open? Can he block? If his focus is sprinting, his football will suffer - especially at this level - and he will be little more than a speedy decoy a couple times per game his entire career.
You would know, Shea. Thanks for the memories!
Do you often make analogies that at best are only loosely connected to the subject that you're commenting on and then wrongly assume what someone's response is saying?
Uhhhh, I don't think speed had anything to do with it based on the info that's out there. He appears to have chosen one more year of football over his wife and family, but I'm sure it's more complicated than that.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure UM would've put up >40 again had JJ not been hurt. Kid was literally crying in pain barely able to move at half-time of Maryland game, can't image he got a ton better in a week's time.
Too many syllables in his last name. They only approve waivers if you have 3 or less.
He shouldn't need to blitz near as much with our DL, while still deploying the confusing/disguised coverages on the backend. I think he likely will blitz a bit more than Minter did in general, but Minter did a fair amount of blitzing when the situation called for it - can't remember the name of the post on here, but someone covered the actual blitz rates last year for UM by opponent and there was probably more blitzing than most would recall because everyone just remembers the easy teams where there was relatively low blitzing.
That's great, but about TOUGHNESS??
How will I celebrate? I don't. It's a manufactured holiday.
We basically we do "Valentine's Day" as a normal part of the relationship after nearly divorcing 3 years ago, all of the romantic stuff is just what we do all throughout the year. Best advice I got during the time we were rebuilding our marriage was: You have to date your wife, if you don't, someone else will.
You better believe that staff is going to be interrogating him non-stop on what UM does on D. Though with Wink coming in I would hope any advantage that has would be largely mitigated.
This is the key here. Brown's D was built to stop spread n' shred, it worked great for that. Wink's D was built to stop the spread passing offenses that were dominating the NFL, which Ryan Day brought to OSU, and which many college teams have now adopted. It just happens that UM got in ahead of the meta on D due to the Harbaugh family connection.
Not super pumped about this, but I guess it's about the best case scenario given the circumstances. If it's just a 1-2 year rental to get Clink fully prepared to take over like many suggest I suppose that might work out ok.
Where is that Michael Scott "No" gif when you need it?
I'm optimistic. Ravens background, worked under Spagnuolo at KC who runs a fantastic scheme - not sure how similar it is to the "Ravens" style, but he can hopefully use those experiences to keep running a cutting edge NFL level scheme at the college level to defeat the spread passing offenses that have been adopted by the majority of teams.
So duct tape the cord? Splice the cord?
I'm going to savor every second of it because it just might be the only time in my life that UM is ahead of the meta on at least one side of the ball. I think there's an argument they're ahead on offense as well, which I never thought I'd see. I don't care what happens from here on out - ok I do - but either way, this 3 year run will go down as one of the greatest in UM football history and I'm glad to have witnessed it.
See that Ward? That's how it's done. Not this namby-pamby weak sauce garbage you throw out there (ok, you get credit for the one good formal response you had during the Harbaugh stuff, but that's literally it).
Well dang. Insert Dave Chapelle "Y'all got anymore of them young Raven's scheme defensive prodigies?"
Well, I don't have to worry that some dudes with rifles are going to break down my door and gun me and my family down because I don't believe the same things as they do. Or if a bomb is going to plumet through my ceiling at any moment and incinerate me. Unlike millions of real people around the world as you're reading this. So, you know, that's pretty good news.
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I can see I'm losing the fight on the proper usage of begging the question... *wipes away tear*
But I was told by many people on Facebook, Reddit, X, and various other platforms that if only I followed their system the world would be a perfect utopia! You're telling me that's not true? Man, what are you gonna tell me next? That the holes in the car the shady salesman sold me that look suspiciously like bullet holes are not actually speed holes like he told me?
Pretty much the same here. I watched the Lions more than UM until '97, then they were about equal. When Barry retired that was basically the end of my Lions fandom.
Barry Sanders. You can't stop me.
Beyond Barry, I always liked Herman Moore. He was great in NFL footbal '94 on Sega Genesis. For some reason Moore was the fastest player in the game. I would just run Barry or pass to Moore every single play and score like 80+ ppg.
That's just nuts. I believe that's more than Hoke's salary when he became head coach, which was considered to be over-paying by many at the time (and definitely over-paying in hindsight).
EDIT: It appears Conrad and I had the same thought!
Again?
That's really surprising. They must be pulling out all the stops they can to beat UM next season.
Bruh...
This is astoundingly glorious and horrendous at the same time.
I'm not in agreement with SP+ there. I would take the 2016 UM D easily over 2023 Iowa.
Trauma and the shame it produces - and our reaction to that shame - are very powerful things. Shit posting, rebelliousness, chip on the shoulder, narcissism, and many other extremely negative related behaviors result from unhealed trauma and unresolved toxic shame. Someone doesn't just wake up and become an alcoholic or druggie, someone doesn't just randomly decide one day to be a bitter asshole to everyone. There is a reason for all of those behaviors.
Sadly, the feeling of confronting that toxic shame is so great that people will do anything to avoid it, and all of those negative behaviors are the result, up to and including taking the lives of others, and sometimes their own. Dealing with all that stuff is the hardest thing to do, which is why most people don't. I'm glad you were able to do so Dennis. I know it's a process and a journey, I pray that you continue down the path of truth and healing.
Maybe the front page hasn't said much, but there's been many things on the message board over the season.
The heck? Was a likely starter on the outside next year if he could stay healthy.
This one is particularly enjoyable. Well done UW, you scored 3 more points total, and the same amount of TD's, against UM as that high-powered offensive juggernaut Minnesota did (SP+ rank 89).
If you would've told me exactly 3 years ago, coming off that nightmare of a covid season, that over the next three years that UM would 1. only lose 3 games over the next 3 seasons, 2. defeat OSU 3 years in a row - two of which would be blow-outs, 3. win the B1G 3 years in a row, 4. be in the CFP 3 years in a row, 5. which would then culminate in a national title on the 3rd one.... I would've thought you were absolutely bat-poop insane.
And yet, here we are. Never, and I mean never, did I think in the current CFB landscape with the 'Bamas and Geogia's and OSU's of the world and their insane recruiting, did I think it would be truly possible for UM to compete against that.
And yet, here we are. The 2023 team is truly special, we all saw it all season long with how the players and coaches talked about each other, and now everyone else can see it. This team is one for the ages folks.
This is the golden age of modern UM football. Savor and be thankful for every second of it, I know that I am.
I don't remember the details all that well (it's been a while), but it was right at the beginning of 2008 when RR was announced as next head coach. I had primarily been reading/getting info from a different UM site that had links to other UM sites, which directed me here. Eventually I switched to Mgoblog as my primary after a few months.
I didn't realize there was a message board for a bit, but then was a lurker for a few months before eventually making an account in October during that first disastrous RR year. Not a big or well-known contributor, but I've been hanging around ever since.
Basically yes. He's saying 'Bama was no-huddle but wasn't playing fast that game, so UM's coaches had more time to signal in calls/checks based on 'Bama's formations since they showed that right away. Versus the other side, UM huddled and was then sitting in their offensive formation for less time, which means less time for 'Bama's D to make calls/checks.
Interesting that Saban is indicating that UM huddling gave a similar advantage that the hurry-up-no-huddle is supposed to give, while their own tactic of no-huddle-no-hurry actually hurt them. Will 'Bama be one of the few teams like UM to mostly go back to huddle next season?
Yes... that's why he said "like Maryland on steroids".
Pretty sure these don't count and need to be thrown away as the PSU defensive analyst said it was all the sign stealing and JJ is a fraud.
/s because I know how some of you are...
Need to update that to the "Woodley-Graham-Hutchinson Award".
From my understanding, he's a dude that doesn't have crazy measurables and isn't elite at camp stuff. However, he is a dude that just performs and wins in actual games. Rankings tend to over-value the former traits.
UM wins = no, haven't played anybody
UM loss = yes, and other team has a quality win
Yup, pretty much my take as well. UM will have some new stuff that will work for a couple plays, but I expect mostly lighting 1st and 2nd downs on fire and praying JJ can bail us out on 3rd downs. Everyone will be frustrated, just like the LLoyd years except a tad more creativity, and 'Bama will win without the game ever really being in doubt.